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Anti Semitism to increase after the government sides with Islamists

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mids2019 · 09/09/2026 06:25

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16115899/Miliband-accused-Jews-UK-danger-Chief-Rabbi-Tory-leader-react-Labour-sanctions-Israeli.OrlaNdo memorial

The government's decision to sanction Israel, a democratic ally in the ME, surely is a reward to all those that have spouted Jew hate on our city streets. If the government is willing to distance itself from Israel won't this be seen as further motivation for the radical Islmist left to continue their campaigns in the UK. It's a shameful moment and it will take a lot to rebuild relations with Israel.

Chief Rabbi and Tory leader react furiously to Labour sanctions

Britain's Chief Rabbi said a trade ban on Israeli settlements in the West Bank was 'truly a dark day for British Jews'.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16115899/Miliband-accused-Jews-UK-danger-Chief-Rabbi-Tory-leader-react-Labour-sanctions-Israeli.html

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Cynergy · 13/09/2026 10:57

Martymcfly24 · 13/09/2026 10:52

Yes you have.

If you want to debate governments and terrorist organizations fine but I presume by pulling this argument you completely accept the premise that Pro Palestinian Activists are not the ones calling for Israel not to exist but merely protesting against the occupation murder and displacement of Palestinians.

A reminder of what you said: I don't think there are any significant amount of people saying Israel should not exist.

Yes there are a significant amount of people saying Israel should not exist, unless you think Hamas aren't people, Hezbollah aren't people, etc. Is that what you think?

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 13/09/2026 10:55

Cynergy · 13/09/2026 10:51

No but even if they did people wouldn't be questioning their right to exist.

Lots of people think the US is guilty of many terrible things under Trump but no questions if the US should exist.

Or Iran as another example. Maybe Iran shouldn't exist? That's offensive though, isn't it. Of course the US and Iran should exist despite their current leaderships.

No one is questioning their right to exist, as you keep being told!
People don't want them to keep killing people. It is quite simple really. If they use their religion as an excuse all Jews should be offended.

Cynergy · 13/09/2026 10:54

RedTagAlan · 13/09/2026 10:51

Sorry to be pedantic. I think it is not as much about the right for it to exist, but where it exists.

I think if Isreal had been set up somewhere else, such as Nebraska, there would not be this trouble. Apart from the people who lived in Nebraska of course.

Israel exists where it exists and nothing can be done about that now.

Apart from those that want to make it unexist. The proper name for that is state extinction.

Martymcfly24 · 13/09/2026 10:52

Cynergy · 13/09/2026 10:47

No I haven't changed the goalposts.

Don't you think there are a lot of "people" within the Iranian government and all those that support them, Hamas and all the people who support them, Hezbollah and all the people who support them and the 29 United Nations member states who don't recognize the State of Israel, and all the people who support their stance.

Yes you have.

If you want to debate governments and terrorist organizations fine but I presume by pulling this argument you completely accept the premise that Pro Palestinian Activists are not the ones calling for Israel not to exist but merely protesting against the occupation murder and displacement of Palestinians.

RedTagAlan · 13/09/2026 10:51

Cynergy · 13/09/2026 10:39

The Iranian government thinks Israel shouldn't exist and keeps trying to attack them.

Hamas and Hezbollah think Israel shouldn't exist.

29 United Nations member states do not formally recognize the State of Israel.

You don't think that is significant?

Sorry to be pedantic. I think it is not as much about the right for it to exist, but where it exists.

I think if Isreal had been set up somewhere else, such as Nebraska, there would not be this trouble. Apart from the people who lived in Nebraska of course.

Cynergy · 13/09/2026 10:51

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 13/09/2026 10:46

Is Italy currently enabling it's people to terrorise, kill and evict people from homes on nearby land or killing aid workers and journalists, apparently in the name of their religion or by means of being Italian?

No but even if they did people wouldn't be questioning their right to exist.

Lots of people think the US is guilty of many terrible things under Trump but no questions if the US should exist.

Or Iran as another example. Maybe Iran shouldn't exist? That's offensive though, isn't it. Of course the US and Iran should exist despite their current leaderships.

Cynergy · 13/09/2026 10:47

Martymcfly24 · 13/09/2026 10:44

Well now you have changed the goalposts there haven't you.

I replied to a post about "people" and "pro Palestinians activists" and you changed it to governments and terrorist organizations.

Changes the argument completely.

No I haven't changed the goalposts.

Don't you think there are a lot of "people" within the Iranian government and all those that support them, Hamas and all the people who support them, Hezbollah and all the people who support them and the 29 United Nations member states who don't recognize the State of Israel, and all the people who support their stance.

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 13/09/2026 10:46

Cynergy · 13/09/2026 10:34

@iwishitwouldstartraining Israel's right to exist should not be any more complicated than recognising Italy's right to exist.

That's disingenuous. For one thing no one is questioning Italy's right to exist. For another thing, if this thing happened that we all know won't happen, Italians would have other countries to choose to go to in Europe that would share the same religion as them. What other countries could Jewish people emigrate to where Judaism is the main religion? In Israel, 73% of the population identify as Jewish.

Is Italy currently enabling it's people to terrorise, kill and evict people from homes on nearby land or killing aid workers and journalists, apparently in the name of their religion or by means of being Italian?

Martymcfly24 · 13/09/2026 10:44

Cynergy · 13/09/2026 10:39

The Iranian government thinks Israel shouldn't exist and keeps trying to attack them.

Hamas and Hezbollah think Israel shouldn't exist.

29 United Nations member states do not formally recognize the State of Israel.

You don't think that is significant?

Well now you have changed the goalposts there haven't you.

I replied to a post about "people" and "pro Palestinians activists" and you changed it to governments and terrorist organizations.

Changes the argument completely.

StopMeStopMeStopMe · 13/09/2026 10:43

Zionism has a strong connection to the Jewish nation and identity, this is why it has such negative connotations for many people.

It’s not the slaughtering of tens of thousands of men, women and children and the demolition of Gaza then?

I actually find this constant refrain of “you only object to what Israel is doing because you’re antisemitic” increasingly bizarre, especially when it’s said just under pictures of Jews demonstrating against Israel’s actions.

Cynergy · 13/09/2026 10:42

Babyboomtastic · 13/09/2026 10:36

People don't have the right to live in a country where their religion is the majority. The important thing thing is that religious freedom should be respected.

Can you guarantee that Judaism as a religion would be respected if Jewish people had no country but had to settle in other countries?

Or would it be "not my problem" as I saw you say to a different question about Israelis.

localnotail · 13/09/2026 10:42

Martymcfly24 · 13/09/2026 10:33

I don't think there are any significant amount of people saying Israel should not exist. More that it should stop murdering and displacing civilians seems to be the main argument.

"From the river to the sea"? What do you think this means.

iwishitwouldstartraining · 13/09/2026 10:39

Cynergy · 13/09/2026 10:34

@iwishitwouldstartraining Israel's right to exist should not be any more complicated than recognising Italy's right to exist.

That's disingenuous. For one thing no one is questioning Italy's right to exist. For another thing, if this thing happened that we all know won't happen, Italians would have other countries to choose to go to in Europe that would share the same religion as them. What other countries could Jewish people emigrate to where Judaism is the main religion? In Israel, 73% of the population identify as Jewish.

That might be why you think Israel has a right to exist, but it isn't why other countries or other people accept Israel's right to exist.

If you make that argument you are saying Israel only has a right to exist because x, y, z and you are making the bar higher than it is for other countries.

Other countries simply exist and Israel should have the same right.

Cynergy · 13/09/2026 10:39

Martymcfly24 · 13/09/2026 10:33

I don't think there are any significant amount of people saying Israel should not exist. More that it should stop murdering and displacing civilians seems to be the main argument.

The Iranian government thinks Israel shouldn't exist and keeps trying to attack them.

Hamas and Hezbollah think Israel shouldn't exist.

29 United Nations member states do not formally recognize the State of Israel.

You don't think that is significant?

Babyboomtastic · 13/09/2026 10:36

Cynergy · 13/09/2026 10:34

@iwishitwouldstartraining Israel's right to exist should not be any more complicated than recognising Italy's right to exist.

That's disingenuous. For one thing no one is questioning Italy's right to exist. For another thing, if this thing happened that we all know won't happen, Italians would have other countries to choose to go to in Europe that would share the same religion as them. What other countries could Jewish people emigrate to where Judaism is the main religion? In Israel, 73% of the population identify as Jewish.

People don't have the right to live in a country where their religion is the majority. The important thing thing is that religious freedom should be respected.

Cynergy · 13/09/2026 10:34

@iwishitwouldstartraining Israel's right to exist should not be any more complicated than recognising Italy's right to exist.

That's disingenuous. For one thing no one is questioning Italy's right to exist. For another thing, if this thing happened that we all know won't happen, Italians would have other countries to choose to go to in Europe that would share the same religion as them. What other countries could Jewish people emigrate to where Judaism is the main religion? In Israel, 73% of the population identify as Jewish.

Martymcfly24 · 13/09/2026 10:33

localnotail · 13/09/2026 10:30

Zionism has a strong connection to the Jewish nation and identity, this is why it has such negative connotations for many people. Same reason why Israel is treated so differently to any other country involved in a violent conflict.

I still can't believe that there are people who believe that an entire country should stop existing to make room for another country. So its abhorrent if its current insane Israeli government suggesting it, but OK if if its pro-Palestinian activists suggesting the same?

I don't think there are any significant amount of people saying Israel should not exist. More that it should stop murdering and displacing civilians seems to be the main argument.

localnotail · 13/09/2026 10:30

iwishitwouldstartraining · 11/09/2026 16:52

I have and, as far as I can see, the definition doesn't cover people who have no strong belief about whether Israel should or shouldn't exist but simply believe that, like Italy, it does exist, and therefore has as much right to exist as any other country.

Zionism has a strong connection to the Jewish nation and identity, this is why it has such negative connotations for many people. Same reason why Israel is treated so differently to any other country involved in a violent conflict.

I still can't believe that there are people who believe that an entire country should stop existing to make room for another country. So its abhorrent if its current insane Israeli government suggesting it, but OK if if its pro-Palestinian activists suggesting the same?

Martymcfly24 · 13/09/2026 10:29

ForRedPoet · 13/09/2026 10:19

Exactly.
The West Bank has been offered to the Palestinians many times. They refused it each time.
And when 2 Arab countries controlled the Gaza and the West Bank, neither wanted to grant the land to Palestinians.

Luckily all facts can be ignored when painting Israel as an evil monster.

Are you talking about Camp David? It's not as simple as saying they refused it the deal was horrible for them.

ForRedPoet · 13/09/2026 10:19

RelaxAndDetox · 12/09/2026 19:33

Jordan annexing the area, not a problem. Renaming to earmark for a future Palestine state, not a problem. Somes things are ok it seems.

Exactly.
The West Bank has been offered to the Palestinians many times. They refused it each time.
And when 2 Arab countries controlled the Gaza and the West Bank, neither wanted to grant the land to Palestinians.

Luckily all facts can be ignored when painting Israel as an evil monster.

StopMeStopMeStopMe · 13/09/2026 09:59

the hate marches against the global Jewish community

I thought it was considered antisemitic to conflate Israel and the global Jewish community?

People marching to protest against Israel’s actions and in support of the Palestinians are not marching in hate against the global Jewish community.

As I’m sure you are aware, there are many Jews and Jewish organisations on these marches.

Anti Semitism to increase after the government sides with Islamists
Anti Semitism to increase after the government sides with Islamists
Anti Semitism to increase after the government sides with Islamists
Martymcfly24 · 13/09/2026 09:58

@mids2019
The. "hate marches" as you continuously refer to in your many many posts on them have been happening as far back as 1975 (first I could find recorded in the Uk)

Do you think minor sanctions against a major explosion in settler terrorism 51 years after the first march is what you would call a "reward" for these marches

Also Islamo-left? Seriously

iwishitwouldstartraining · 13/09/2026 09:56

inamarina · 12/09/2026 15:53

You keep mentioning Italy, but nobody questions whether Italy should exist, do they? Israel, on the other hand…
There are over 20 countries that don’t recognise it.

Because recognising Israel's right to exist should not be any more complicated than recognising Italy's right to exist.

The UN and the vast majority of its members recognise Israel, but they aren't all making a statement about zionism.

StopMeStopMeStopMe · 13/09/2026 09:47

mids2019 · 13/09/2026 09:10

A very small majority support the government's decision but we seem to have caused further friction with the US and obviously Israel with no benefit to the UK. It seems a separate attempt to claw back the Islamo-left vote from the Greens by a new PM and I think this form of feature politics is doomed to fail. It just seems like some kind of reward for the hate marches against the global Jewish community which have led to a permissive era of anti Semitic proclamations and even terrorism.

Terrible decision.

A very small majority support the government's decision but we seem to have caused further friction with the US and obviously Israel with no benefit to the UK.

3 to 1 approving (52%) v not approving (17%) is not a small majority in any world. Are you trying to pretend the ratio is 52% to 48%?

The action has not been taken to benefit the UK. It has been taken to put pressure on Israel to stop the settler terrorism.

Squeezingwildoranges · 13/09/2026 09:40

Overall 52% for. 17% against and 31% unsure.

What's an Islamo- left?

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