Anti Semitism to increase after the government sides with Islamists

That was a bullshit offer which wouldn't have been any different to what the West Bank is now. I could go into the details. But I think I'll let an Israeli Minister say it best. To quote Shlomo Ben Ami, Israel’s Foreign Minister and lead negotiator at Camp David, "Camp David was not the missed opportunity for the Palestinians, and if I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David, as well". He later admitted that the Israeli objective was to create a situation of permanent dependency for the Palestinians. That's why I specified "genuine offer".

Camp David offer.

Which offer are you referring to?

@Squeezingwildoranges ,

It wasn’t far off. It was close to the same amount of land and included well over 90% of the combined West Bank and Gaza. I can see, in some ways, ideologically why Arafat rejected it but, on the other hand, can you imagine how much better it would have been for the Palestinians had it been accepted?

Yasser Arafat was a kleptocratic ruler, worth anything between $300 mio (Forbes) and $1.3 bio (Mossad) when he died. He had the same problem Netanyahu does now. His role in a peaceful Palestine might have been an inmate, prosecuted for fraud.

Are you suggesting that Israel made a genuine offer of land and a two state solution, pre 1967 borders, to the Palestinians?

Of course, it's the rest of the world that is wrong.
No point "discussing" this further if one side can do no wrong.

Which is pretty much what you did when I brought facts into your previous post.
Palestians didn't even want the West Bank when offered to them, let alone a 2 state solution.

Hamas's charter, the government voted in by the people, is to destroy all Jews.
And yet in your opinion, it's only Israel and Jews who have bought hate on themselves.

Oh, and there is no genocide BTW.

I just want to go back to the title of this thread. The implication that the only people who would oppose the grotesque state- backed violence of the Settlers are 'Islamists'. And yes it's very clearly state backed, I didn't hear this from a social media post or from Hamas, or from a 'left wing' newspaper or broadcaster. I heard this from an Israeli rabbi who works with Palestinians in the West Bank. At an event at my rabbi's house.

The title also suggests every Palestinian is an 'Islamist' (and aside from ordinary, non extremist Muslims, there are many Christian Palestinians in the West Bank who are not spared the violence either)

So yeah, not a fan of that attitude.

That's the only thing you found chilling about that post?

@Newbutoldfather, "I am not sure which are more dangerous. I suspect the latter as they tend to be better educated and more influential".

Once again, not sure I agree, apologies. I think the better educated advocates for Palestinian rights do distinguish between the two. I think the ones who conflate the two tend to be less educated and knowledgeable.

Well, there is no point discussing further if it is never one party at fault and no logical thinking is taking place.

WTF are you talking about?

@SmallDFartyCarNRG ,

‘That is where the global view on Israel and Judaism is at a cross-roads and for many has been crossed’

This sentence is somewhat chilling, where you equate Israel and Judaism as if they were the same thing.

And there you cross the road to antisemitism.

Mendacious deflection.

@Squeezingwildoranges ,

In a sense I agree with you.

There are the right wing old fashioned antisemites, who are modern day Nazis, and own their racism as a badge of honour. And then there are the left wing antisemites who don’t think they are antisemites at all. They think they are righteously confronting Israeli colonialism.

However, they are careless in their conflation of Israelis and Jews and are perfectly happy to scream abuse at any Jew in a kippah as they just assume they are a ‘Zio’.

I am not sure which are more dangerous. I suspect the latter as they tend to be better educated and more influential.

Then you have answered the thread. You win!

I think there are two types of antisemites. The purely bigoted racist ones and the ignorant ones who don't like Israeli policy towards the Palestinians but are incapable of distinguishing between an ethnic/religious group and a political entity. Neither is excusable but one can be educated whereas the first never will be.

The only ones to blame for antisemitism are antisemites. Not Jews.

It's a fantasy that Palestine is already a state.

That you just have to want something to be true and it is.

Where is this 'Palestine'?

Where are it's borders?

Who is it's leader?

What is it's currency?

What colour is it's passport?

Do you see how stupid this is?

East Jerusalem is in Palestine.

"It's" charter. Who is it?

Have you knowledge of history in this area at all? If so, you would know Up until now, Israel has always said it would work towards a 2 state solution. It was the Palestinians who consistently refused.
And now, are you seriously surprised they feel they don't want to and can't trust them to feel safe again?

It is Not a state!
What is it's capital? Oh yeah, it's wanna be capital is Jerusalem. Kinda gives the impression that it's charter might mean it has no intention of being a nice and peaceful neighbour to Israel.

You are absolutely right that the two situations are not comparable when it comes to the day to day conditions. The pressure and geopolitical isolation China imposes on Taiwan is fundamentally different from the decades of military occupation, blockades, and civilian casualties that the Palestinian population has endured. Palestine is a recognised sovereign state and the UN sees it as such. Problem they have is they are brutally occupied and the most powerful country in the world continues to support the oppression by crippling the UN with their veto.