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mids2019 · 09/09/2026 06:25

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16115899/Miliband-accused-Jews-UK-danger-Chief-Rabbi-Tory-leader-react-Labour-sanctions-Israeli.OrlaNdo memorial

The government's decision to sanction Israel, a democratic ally in the ME, surely is a reward to all those that have spouted Jew hate on our city streets. If the government is willing to distance itself from Israel won't this be seen as further motivation for the radical Islmist left to continue their campaigns in the UK. It's a shameful moment and it will take a lot to rebuild relations with Israel.

Chief Rabbi and Tory leader react furiously to Labour sanctions

Britain's Chief Rabbi said a trade ban on Israeli settlements in the West Bank was 'truly a dark day for British Jews'.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16115899/Miliband-accused-Jews-UK-danger-Chief-Rabbi-Tory-leader-react-Labour-sanctions-Israeli.html

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RelaxAndDetox · 10/09/2026 08:17

StopMeStopMeStopMe · 10/09/2026 08:11

Do you think the settler violence and stealing of homes and land, and the Israeli government’s failure to stop it are acceptable or do you think they are wrong, legally and/or morally?

I see that everything Palestine is an obsession with some whereas crimes committed by various groups elsewhere in other countries are pretty much ignored 🙁

LoremIpsumCici · 10/09/2026 08:16

Neverstopwondering · 10/09/2026 07:59

1 in 7 (around 14% to 15%) of all medicines used by the NHS. It is a much bigger percentage if you are just looking at cancer drugs and their components but I don't think 75% is accurate. The are a major supplier of NHS cancer treatments though.

100 million NHS prescription items in England each year orginate from Israel

You have to look at medication rather than all NHS spending on medical supplies to understand the magnitude of possible supply chain disruption. Also some types of medication cannot be sourced else were very easily is my understanding of the situation. Not that I believe Israel is likely to stop supply but conflict damage or flights cancelled do hurt it.

I gather you got those figures from the UK/Israel tech hub. They aren’t reflected in the UK.gov documents though. It appears the source of the 1 in 7 prescriptions is a marketing claim by Teva. I can’t find it in anything official. Plus most of the drugs supplied to the UK by Teva are manufactured in the UK so they’re not imported.

RelaxAndDetox · 10/09/2026 08:16

Neverstopwondering · 10/09/2026 07:59

1 in 7 (around 14% to 15%) of all medicines used by the NHS. It is a much bigger percentage if you are just looking at cancer drugs and their components but I don't think 75% is accurate. The are a major supplier of NHS cancer treatments though.

100 million NHS prescription items in England each year orginate from Israel

You have to look at medication rather than all NHS spending on medical supplies to understand the magnitude of possible supply chain disruption. Also some types of medication cannot be sourced else were very easily is my understanding of the situation. Not that I believe Israel is likely to stop supply but conflict damage or flights cancelled do hurt it.

To be honest medical supplies is concerning, and for what, appeasing the Pro Palestine demonstrators. I think most people are more concerned about what happens here in the UK not various countries in the middle east that have terrorists in charge.

StopMeStopMeStopMe · 10/09/2026 08:14

Neverstopwondering · 09/09/2026 23:47

I said 33% completely approved which is what that shows. The other 19% it says somewhat because they apparently only approved some aspects of it or something like that.

Really don't pay attention to what reform voter do. Farage old hat already anyway but people are using local votes and surveys to protest the government and green politics. Kemi seems to have got very popular with the average person but that doesn't show up on surveys at moment. A percentage won't vote Tory again even if they like what she says above Farage and also some because she is a black woman.

If a party in an election received was voted for by 52% of the electorate, no-one would suggest they don’t have the support of the public.

StopMeStopMeStopMe · 10/09/2026 08:11

Bringemout · 10/09/2026 05:21

I think it was a bloody stupid thing to do, not in britains interest and a sop to the people Labour thinks they may lose to the Greens and the Gaza MP’s. It is not serious politics, it reflects badly on Labour in terms of forethought, I think it’s exposed how utterly stupid they are. The British consulate is how we co-ordinate training of the PA, some NGO work, expect further consequences to British functioning through Jerusalem and on British intelligence co-operation (for example the Hezbollah plot which involved 3 tons of ammonium nitrate, I dread to think about if they hadn’t been found). It demonstrates how stupid they are, you can’t run a country on vibes. Andy Burnham’s statement about standing with the underdogs demonstrates how stupid he is, being smaller or weaker doesn’t make you automatically right, the Taliban were the underdogs, who thinks they were right?

There is no Genocide, the ICC have clearly stated they don’t have the evidence required to say it is. It’s brutal war but a country has the right to respond when it’s civilians are raped, mutilated and murdered. Unfortunately for Gaza Hamas does use civilian sites and has dug tunnels under Gaza which they use to launch attacks, all of that makes them legitimate targets. The reason Gaza looks like it does is specifically because of the tunnels, Israel is not unreasonable to want those gone given the cost inflicted on them by their use. Both Hamas and Israel are being looked at for war crimes. This doesn’t make the suffering of Gazans any less important but there is no getting around the fact that when you do what Hamas did then your group fully deserves to be stripped of the ability to do it again. Israel has no obligation to allow itself to be attacked, it’s first obligation is to it’s own security, it’s the most basic responsibility of a government, to secure it’s borders from threat (something which the fools leading Britain don’t seem to understand).

Having said that British Jews should not be grouped automatically with Israel. I understand why any Jewish person would feel this way about how Israel is being treated and I agree it’s all bloody stupid for probably different reasons. However you can’t disconnect British Jews from Israel when it comes to harassment etc (which I abhor, I think a lot of the pro Palestinian people are frankly disgusting in the way they behave towards and speak of Jews) and then reconnect them when it comes to actions the British government takes against Israel.

British Jews are obviously invested in the wellbeing of Israel for good reason and Jewish people are not a block but I think it’s difficult to make the argument simultaneously.

The basis of this sanction isn’t consistent with our attitudes towards other countries like northern cyprus which is occupied. It’s sloppy dog whistle politics with no substance and it will harm Britain and Palestinians more than it will harm Israel BUT and it pains me to say this because I believe Jews have experienced the worst overt racism I have seem directed at any group in the UK in recent history but I’m not sure it helps British Jews to link this with anti-semitism.

BTW I do think the left are bit too comfortable with islamists, I don’t get why they don’t understand that brown men can also be utter facists as well, they seem blind to whats going on. The number of idiots cheering on people like the Houthis while never no idea about how Yemenis have fled from them or what they are doing is bewildering to me. Or cheering on Iran while they mow down and repress their own people, or cheering on Hamas who as soon as the ceasefire was declared started shooting Gazans (they literally kidnapped two women the other day). Ì have literally spoken to people who want Iran to win so they can keep on funding the “resistance”. They would hold tens of millions of people across multiple countries hostage because they have such an unhinged hatred of Israel.

Do you think the settler violence and stealing of homes and land, and the Israeli government’s failure to stop it are acceptable or do you think they are wrong, legally and/or morally?

LoremIpsumCici · 10/09/2026 08:07

caringcarer · 10/09/2026 07:24

The public won't be approving when Israel puts a trade embargo on our medication. About 75 percent of the medication we buy comes from Israel.

I don’t believe that is correct.
We do export medications to Israel, but import isn’t in the top 5. Also they only account for 0.2% of imports so are 45th behind other countries we import from.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6a69cca0229c578debc1a817/israel-trade-and-investment-factsheet-2026-07-31.pdf

RedTagAlan · 10/09/2026 08:07

iwishitwouldstartraining · 10/09/2026 07:56

Teva make a lot of cheap generic drugs so if you measure quantity they might make up a higher proportion (although not sure where you would find the data) However 75% still seems very high…

No doubt there are figures for what Teva make and export. In any case, that would be included in the data I posted.

Unless they have plants in other countries, and that is put through those countries. But quickly checking the biggest pharma companies in the world, Teva is not there.

I agree, it still won't get Israel to 75%.

StopMeStopMeStopMe · 10/09/2026 08:06

caringcarer · 10/09/2026 07:24

The public won't be approving when Israel puts a trade embargo on our medication. About 75 percent of the medication we buy comes from Israel.

Have you got evidence for that wild and frankly nonsensical statement?

Have you considered checking it by, for example, a thirty second google search?

Neverstopwondering · 10/09/2026 07:59

1 in 7 (around 14% to 15%) of all medicines used by the NHS. It is a much bigger percentage if you are just looking at cancer drugs and their components but I don't think 75% is accurate. The are a major supplier of NHS cancer treatments though.

100 million NHS prescription items in England each year orginate from Israel

You have to look at medication rather than all NHS spending on medical supplies to understand the magnitude of possible supply chain disruption. Also some types of medication cannot be sourced else were very easily is my understanding of the situation. Not that I believe Israel is likely to stop supply but conflict damage or flights cancelled do hurt it.

iwishitwouldstartraining · 10/09/2026 07:56

RedTagAlan · 10/09/2026 07:45

Quote " About 75 percent of the medication we buy comes from Israel."

Lets fact check.

United Kingdom Imports from Israel of Pharmaceutical products Total $1.85B

That includes -

Medicaments (Put up in Packings for Retail Sale) $47.19M
Pharmaceutical Goods $3.31M
Human or Animal Blooda etc Blood Fractions,Vax, Toxins $2.29M
Medicaments $1.95M
Wadding, Gauze, Bandages and Similar Articles $578.36K
Glands, Other Organs; Extracts of Glands or Other Organs $5.26K

Source
United Kingdom Imports from Israel of Pharmaceutical products - 2026 Data 2027 Forecast 1993-2025 Historical (tradingeconomics.com)

How much medicine does the UK import in total ? £23.9B

Source for that -

Pharmaceutical products in United Kingdom Trade | The Observatory of Economic Complexity (oec.world)

And from the link -

" In 2025, the main origins of United Kingdom's Pharmaceutical products imports were: Germany (£2.67B), Netherlands (£2.66B), Belgium (£2.31B), United States (£2.24B), and France (£2.18B)."

Israel is not even in the top 5.

$1.85B is not 75% of £23.9B

No AI used. I just looked it up. So might be out a bit. But not 75% out I predict.

Teva make a lot of cheap generic drugs so if you measure quantity they might make up a higher proportion (although not sure where you would find the data) However 75% still seems very high…

LoremIpsumCici · 10/09/2026 07:50

backformoreofthesame · 09/09/2026 19:22

it has greatly saddened me that the British Jewish community hasn’t welcomed the government’s stance

I have and so have many in my circle of liberal British Jews.

localnotail · 10/09/2026 07:50

As much as I generally tend to support Israel in this ongoing conflict (while also feeling for Palestinians and their plight) I consider West Bank situation very different to Gaza. West Bank settler violence is horrendous and must stop.

I doubt it would affect Antisemitism as its already at the very high level. However, antisemitism/ anti-Zionism* and hatred of Israel is not a new thing in the UK, especially among "left" contingent. It was there all the time. Its just more obvious now.

*Zionism is a nationalist movement that began in late 19th-century Europe with the goal of establishing a Jewish homeland, and today supports the continued existence and development of the State of Israel. Anti-Zionists basically deny the existence of Israel/ would like it to cease to exist - I assume together with its inhabitants. Which in my books is quite antisemitic.

RedTagAlan · 10/09/2026 07:45

caringcarer · 10/09/2026 07:24

The public won't be approving when Israel puts a trade embargo on our medication. About 75 percent of the medication we buy comes from Israel.

Quote " About 75 percent of the medication we buy comes from Israel."

Lets fact check.

United Kingdom Imports from Israel of Pharmaceutical products Total $1.85B

That includes -

Medicaments (Put up in Packings for Retail Sale) $47.19M
Pharmaceutical Goods $3.31M
Human or Animal Blooda etc Blood Fractions,Vax, Toxins $2.29M
Medicaments $1.95M
Wadding, Gauze, Bandages and Similar Articles $578.36K
Glands, Other Organs; Extracts of Glands or Other Organs $5.26K

Source
United Kingdom Imports from Israel of Pharmaceutical products - 2026 Data 2027 Forecast 1993-2025 Historical (tradingeconomics.com)

How much medicine does the UK import in total ? £23.9B

Source for that -

Pharmaceutical products in United Kingdom Trade | The Observatory of Economic Complexity (oec.world)

And from the link -

" In 2025, the main origins of United Kingdom's Pharmaceutical products imports were: Germany (£2.67B), Netherlands (£2.66B), Belgium (£2.31B), United States (£2.24B), and France (£2.18B)."

Israel is not even in the top 5.

$1.85B is not 75% of £23.9B

No AI used. I just looked it up. So might be out a bit. But not 75% out I predict.

United Kingdom Imports from Israel of Pharmaceutical products - 2026 Data 2027 Forecast 1993-2025 Historical

United Kingdom Imports from Israel of Pharmaceutical products was US$55.31 Million during 2025, according to the United Nations COMTRADE database on international trade. United Kingdom Imports from Israel of Pharmaceutical products - data, historical c...

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/imports/israel/pharmaceutical-products#:~:text=United%20Kingdom%20Imports%20from%20Israel%20of%20Pharmaceutical%20products,the%20United%20Nations%20COMTRADE%20database%20on%20international%20trade.

iwishitwouldstartraining · 10/09/2026 07:33

caringcarer · 10/09/2026 07:24

The public won't be approving when Israel puts a trade embargo on our medication. About 75 percent of the medication we buy comes from Israel.

Where are you getting 75% from?

CaptainMyCaptain · 10/09/2026 07:29

marlboro · 09/09/2026 23:42

We don’t hate Jews. We hate the genocide and want it to stop. I support the government with this. Not supporting genocide isn’t antisemitism

This. 100%

CaptainMyCaptain · 10/09/2026 07:27

dustabsorber · 09/09/2026 22:54

Why can't we just be Brits together, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu and
atheist and leave the foreigners to it?

🙄

caringcarer · 10/09/2026 07:24

StopMeStopMeStopMe · 09/09/2026 23:30

It’s 33% completely approve and 19% somewhat approve, total 52% approval

versus 10% completely disapprove and 7% somewhat disapprove, total 17% disapproval.

3 to 1 in favour of those with an opinion

I’m not sure how you are interpreting that as the public not being in line with the sanctions.

What on earth is going on with the Reform voters though??? They’ve been listening to Richard Tice, haven’t they? Well, and Farage of course.

The public won't be approving when Israel puts a trade embargo on our medication. About 75 percent of the medication we buy comes from Israel.

RedTagAlan · 10/09/2026 07:21

Bringemout · 10/09/2026 05:21

I think it was a bloody stupid thing to do, not in britains interest and a sop to the people Labour thinks they may lose to the Greens and the Gaza MP’s. It is not serious politics, it reflects badly on Labour in terms of forethought, I think it’s exposed how utterly stupid they are. The British consulate is how we co-ordinate training of the PA, some NGO work, expect further consequences to British functioning through Jerusalem and on British intelligence co-operation (for example the Hezbollah plot which involved 3 tons of ammonium nitrate, I dread to think about if they hadn’t been found). It demonstrates how stupid they are, you can’t run a country on vibes. Andy Burnham’s statement about standing with the underdogs demonstrates how stupid he is, being smaller or weaker doesn’t make you automatically right, the Taliban were the underdogs, who thinks they were right?

There is no Genocide, the ICC have clearly stated they don’t have the evidence required to say it is. It’s brutal war but a country has the right to respond when it’s civilians are raped, mutilated and murdered. Unfortunately for Gaza Hamas does use civilian sites and has dug tunnels under Gaza which they use to launch attacks, all of that makes them legitimate targets. The reason Gaza looks like it does is specifically because of the tunnels, Israel is not unreasonable to want those gone given the cost inflicted on them by their use. Both Hamas and Israel are being looked at for war crimes. This doesn’t make the suffering of Gazans any less important but there is no getting around the fact that when you do what Hamas did then your group fully deserves to be stripped of the ability to do it again. Israel has no obligation to allow itself to be attacked, it’s first obligation is to it’s own security, it’s the most basic responsibility of a government, to secure it’s borders from threat (something which the fools leading Britain don’t seem to understand).

Having said that British Jews should not be grouped automatically with Israel. I understand why any Jewish person would feel this way about how Israel is being treated and I agree it’s all bloody stupid for probably different reasons. However you can’t disconnect British Jews from Israel when it comes to harassment etc (which I abhor, I think a lot of the pro Palestinian people are frankly disgusting in the way they behave towards and speak of Jews) and then reconnect them when it comes to actions the British government takes against Israel.

British Jews are obviously invested in the wellbeing of Israel for good reason and Jewish people are not a block but I think it’s difficult to make the argument simultaneously.

The basis of this sanction isn’t consistent with our attitudes towards other countries like northern cyprus which is occupied. It’s sloppy dog whistle politics with no substance and it will harm Britain and Palestinians more than it will harm Israel BUT and it pains me to say this because I believe Jews have experienced the worst overt racism I have seem directed at any group in the UK in recent history but I’m not sure it helps British Jews to link this with anti-semitism.

BTW I do think the left are bit too comfortable with islamists, I don’t get why they don’t understand that brown men can also be utter facists as well, they seem blind to whats going on. The number of idiots cheering on people like the Houthis while never no idea about how Yemenis have fled from them or what they are doing is bewildering to me. Or cheering on Iran while they mow down and repress their own people, or cheering on Hamas who as soon as the ceasefire was declared started shooting Gazans (they literally kidnapped two women the other day). Ì have literally spoken to people who want Iran to win so they can keep on funding the “resistance”. They would hold tens of millions of people across multiple countries hostage because they have such an unhinged hatred of Israel.

Sorry for the 2nd reply to your post. I had a look for the International court of Justice advisory opinion on West Bank settlement. And here it is, from July 2024.

Advisory Opinion of 19 July 2024 (icj-cij.org)

Because it is 80 pages long, I wont try to hunt out the bits that apply here, but we can look at this Times of Israel article on it, and pick out their summary.

World Court: Israeli presence in East Jerusalem, West Bank is illegal and must end | The Times of Israel

That article has the same date as the ICJ document, and it says

"In a conclusive and unambiguous decision, the International Court of Justice declared in a non-binding ruling Friday that Israel’s 56-year long rule in “the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967” is “illegal,” and that it is obligated to bring its presence in that territory to an end “as rapidly as possible.”
In its decision, the ICJ said it determined Israel’s policy of settlement in the West Bank violates international law, and that Israel had effectively annexed large parts of the West Bank — along with East Jerusalem, which was formally annexed and designated as sovereign Israeli territory in 1980 — due to some of the apparently permanent aspects of Israeli rule there.
The legal consequences of its findings, the court ruled, were that Israel must end its control of these areas, cease new settlement activity, “repeal all legislation and measures creating or maintaining the unlawful situation” — including those which it said “discriminate against the Palestinian people in the Occupied Palestinian Territory” — and provide reparations for any damage caused by its “wrongful acts.”"

This is what the UK sanctions apply to. Because instead of even acknowledging what the ICJ say, Israel are just going ahead and clearing more communities out, and building more of these illegal settlements. On another nations land.

DeftGoldHedgehog · 10/09/2026 06:33

SpottyPyjama · 09/09/2026 06:33

The government is not siding with islamists, that is a ridiculous statement to make.

It is taking a stance against genocidal maniacs on behalf of innocent children and families. It has taken too long for this government to acknowledge Israel’s brutal wrongdoings and a few sanctions doesn’t go anywhere near far enough.

This. It's also hardly the only country to which the UK applies major trade sanctions or embargos.

Russia, Syria, Iran Belarus, North Korea, Myanmar, Sudan and South Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Venezuela Zimbabwe are examples of others. Several of those are Muslim countries.

RedTagAlan · 10/09/2026 06:27

Bringemout · 10/09/2026 05:21

I think it was a bloody stupid thing to do, not in britains interest and a sop to the people Labour thinks they may lose to the Greens and the Gaza MP’s. It is not serious politics, it reflects badly on Labour in terms of forethought, I think it’s exposed how utterly stupid they are. The British consulate is how we co-ordinate training of the PA, some NGO work, expect further consequences to British functioning through Jerusalem and on British intelligence co-operation (for example the Hezbollah plot which involved 3 tons of ammonium nitrate, I dread to think about if they hadn’t been found). It demonstrates how stupid they are, you can’t run a country on vibes. Andy Burnham’s statement about standing with the underdogs demonstrates how stupid he is, being smaller or weaker doesn’t make you automatically right, the Taliban were the underdogs, who thinks they were right?

There is no Genocide, the ICC have clearly stated they don’t have the evidence required to say it is. It’s brutal war but a country has the right to respond when it’s civilians are raped, mutilated and murdered. Unfortunately for Gaza Hamas does use civilian sites and has dug tunnels under Gaza which they use to launch attacks, all of that makes them legitimate targets. The reason Gaza looks like it does is specifically because of the tunnels, Israel is not unreasonable to want those gone given the cost inflicted on them by their use. Both Hamas and Israel are being looked at for war crimes. This doesn’t make the suffering of Gazans any less important but there is no getting around the fact that when you do what Hamas did then your group fully deserves to be stripped of the ability to do it again. Israel has no obligation to allow itself to be attacked, it’s first obligation is to it’s own security, it’s the most basic responsibility of a government, to secure it’s borders from threat (something which the fools leading Britain don’t seem to understand).

Having said that British Jews should not be grouped automatically with Israel. I understand why any Jewish person would feel this way about how Israel is being treated and I agree it’s all bloody stupid for probably different reasons. However you can’t disconnect British Jews from Israel when it comes to harassment etc (which I abhor, I think a lot of the pro Palestinian people are frankly disgusting in the way they behave towards and speak of Jews) and then reconnect them when it comes to actions the British government takes against Israel.

British Jews are obviously invested in the wellbeing of Israel for good reason and Jewish people are not a block but I think it’s difficult to make the argument simultaneously.

The basis of this sanction isn’t consistent with our attitudes towards other countries like northern cyprus which is occupied. It’s sloppy dog whistle politics with no substance and it will harm Britain and Palestinians more than it will harm Israel BUT and it pains me to say this because I believe Jews have experienced the worst overt racism I have seem directed at any group in the UK in recent history but I’m not sure it helps British Jews to link this with anti-semitism.

BTW I do think the left are bit too comfortable with islamists, I don’t get why they don’t understand that brown men can also be utter facists as well, they seem blind to whats going on. The number of idiots cheering on people like the Houthis while never no idea about how Yemenis have fled from them or what they are doing is bewildering to me. Or cheering on Iran while they mow down and repress their own people, or cheering on Hamas who as soon as the ceasefire was declared started shooting Gazans (they literally kidnapped two women the other day). Ì have literally spoken to people who want Iran to win so they can keep on funding the “resistance”. They would hold tens of millions of people across multiple countries hostage because they have such an unhinged hatred of Israel.

Seems odd to post all that, and miss what the sanctions are actually about.

The sanctions are about illegal settlements that are being built in the West Bank. Nowt to do with Gaza or Hamas.

And it was Israel ordered the UK consulate closed. Not the UK.

Bringemout · 10/09/2026 05:21

I think it was a bloody stupid thing to do, not in britains interest and a sop to the people Labour thinks they may lose to the Greens and the Gaza MP’s. It is not serious politics, it reflects badly on Labour in terms of forethought, I think it’s exposed how utterly stupid they are. The British consulate is how we co-ordinate training of the PA, some NGO work, expect further consequences to British functioning through Jerusalem and on British intelligence co-operation (for example the Hezbollah plot which involved 3 tons of ammonium nitrate, I dread to think about if they hadn’t been found). It demonstrates how stupid they are, you can’t run a country on vibes. Andy Burnham’s statement about standing with the underdogs demonstrates how stupid he is, being smaller or weaker doesn’t make you automatically right, the Taliban were the underdogs, who thinks they were right?

There is no Genocide, the ICC have clearly stated they don’t have the evidence required to say it is. It’s brutal war but a country has the right to respond when it’s civilians are raped, mutilated and murdered. Unfortunately for Gaza Hamas does use civilian sites and has dug tunnels under Gaza which they use to launch attacks, all of that makes them legitimate targets. The reason Gaza looks like it does is specifically because of the tunnels, Israel is not unreasonable to want those gone given the cost inflicted on them by their use. Both Hamas and Israel are being looked at for war crimes. This doesn’t make the suffering of Gazans any less important but there is no getting around the fact that when you do what Hamas did then your group fully deserves to be stripped of the ability to do it again. Israel has no obligation to allow itself to be attacked, it’s first obligation is to it’s own security, it’s the most basic responsibility of a government, to secure it’s borders from threat (something which the fools leading Britain don’t seem to understand).

Having said that British Jews should not be grouped automatically with Israel. I understand why any Jewish person would feel this way about how Israel is being treated and I agree it’s all bloody stupid for probably different reasons. However you can’t disconnect British Jews from Israel when it comes to harassment etc (which I abhor, I think a lot of the pro Palestinian people are frankly disgusting in the way they behave towards and speak of Jews) and then reconnect them when it comes to actions the British government takes against Israel.

British Jews are obviously invested in the wellbeing of Israel for good reason and Jewish people are not a block but I think it’s difficult to make the argument simultaneously.

The basis of this sanction isn’t consistent with our attitudes towards other countries like northern cyprus which is occupied. It’s sloppy dog whistle politics with no substance and it will harm Britain and Palestinians more than it will harm Israel BUT and it pains me to say this because I believe Jews have experienced the worst overt racism I have seem directed at any group in the UK in recent history but I’m not sure it helps British Jews to link this with anti-semitism.

BTW I do think the left are bit too comfortable with islamists, I don’t get why they don’t understand that brown men can also be utter facists as well, they seem blind to whats going on. The number of idiots cheering on people like the Houthis while never no idea about how Yemenis have fled from them or what they are doing is bewildering to me. Or cheering on Iran while they mow down and repress their own people, or cheering on Hamas who as soon as the ceasefire was declared started shooting Gazans (they literally kidnapped two women the other day). Ì have literally spoken to people who want Iran to win so they can keep on funding the “resistance”. They would hold tens of millions of people across multiple countries hostage because they have such an unhinged hatred of Israel.

StopMeStopMeStopMe · 10/09/2026 00:24

caringcarer · 09/09/2026 23:43

Labour have a history of being anti Semitic.

In what way are the sanctions anti-semitic? The sanctions are in response to the illegal actions of the settlers terrorists and the Israeli government’s failure to deal with them. Are you suggesting that the UK should never take action against Israel because it’s a Jewish state? So, whatever it does, no response because any reaction is antisemitism? Why should Israel being a Jewish state remove it’s legal and moral obligations?

Are these prominent Israeli jews who welcome the sanctions antisemitic?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/sep/09/israelis-welcome-uk-sanctions-on-settlements-palestine-west-bank

‘It’s a good start’: prominent Israelis welcome UK sanctions on illegal settlements

Ed Miliband’s intervention was ‘inevitable’ after Israeli government and security failures, say former ministers and diplomats

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/sep/09/israelis-welcome-uk-sanctions-on-settlements-palestine-west-bank

Neverstopwondering · 09/09/2026 23:47

StopMeStopMeStopMe · 09/09/2026 23:30

It’s 33% completely approve and 19% somewhat approve, total 52% approval

versus 10% completely disapprove and 7% somewhat disapprove, total 17% disapproval.

3 to 1 in favour of those with an opinion

I’m not sure how you are interpreting that as the public not being in line with the sanctions.

What on earth is going on with the Reform voters though??? They’ve been listening to Richard Tice, haven’t they? Well, and Farage of course.

I said 33% completely approved which is what that shows. The other 19% it says somewhat because they apparently only approved some aspects of it or something like that.

Really don't pay attention to what reform voter do. Farage old hat already anyway but people are using local votes and surveys to protest the government and green politics. Kemi seems to have got very popular with the average person but that doesn't show up on surveys at moment. A percentage won't vote Tory again even if they like what she says above Farage and also some because she is a black woman.

caringcarer · 09/09/2026 23:43

Labour have a history of being anti Semitic.

marlboro · 09/09/2026 23:42

We don’t hate Jews. We hate the genocide and want it to stop. I support the government with this. Not supporting genocide isn’t antisemitism

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