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Anti Semitism to increase after the government sides with Islamists

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mids2019 · 09/09/2026 06:25

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16115899/Miliband-accused-Jews-UK-danger-Chief-Rabbi-Tory-leader-react-Labour-sanctions-Israeli.OrlaNdo memorial

The government's decision to sanction Israel, a democratic ally in the ME, surely is a reward to all those that have spouted Jew hate on our city streets. If the government is willing to distance itself from Israel won't this be seen as further motivation for the radical Islmist left to continue their campaigns in the UK. It's a shameful moment and it will take a lot to rebuild relations with Israel.

Chief Rabbi and Tory leader react furiously to Labour sanctions

Britain's Chief Rabbi said a trade ban on Israeli settlements in the West Bank was 'truly a dark day for British Jews'.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16115899/Miliband-accused-Jews-UK-danger-Chief-Rabbi-Tory-leader-react-Labour-sanctions-Israeli.html

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SharonEllis · 10/09/2026 18:19

iwishitwouldstartraining · 10/09/2026 18:17

Because of Netanyahu's actions the rest of the world has been drawn into the conflict, willingly or unwillingly.

How?

iwishitwouldstartraining · 10/09/2026 18:17

JohnofWessex · 10/09/2026 16:57

You are not wrong, BUT

  1. Its close to home
  2. There is a perception that we can influence them unlike say Burma etc
  3. Media Coverage
  4. etc etc

Not I might add that this excuses what is and is not covered

Because of Netanyahu's actions the rest of the world has been drawn into the conflict, willingly or unwillingly.

Neverstopwondering · 10/09/2026 18:13

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SharonEllis · 10/09/2026 17:23

StopMeStopMeStopMe · 10/09/2026 16:51

I asked what you mean by it, not what the Wikipedia page says 🙄

Because many people who say that Jews deserve self determination don’t actually seem to believe that other groups of people do too.

But obviously further conversion is pointless if you found it so difficult to comprehend my question.

I don't have a peculiarly personal definition of salf determination so I think the widely recognised one is most pertinent.

JohnofWessex · 10/09/2026 16:57

RelaxAndDetox · 10/09/2026 08:17

I see that everything Palestine is an obsession with some whereas crimes committed by various groups elsewhere in other countries are pretty much ignored 🙁

You are not wrong, BUT

  1. Its close to home
  2. There is a perception that we can influence them unlike say Burma etc
  3. Media Coverage
  4. etc etc

Not I might add that this excuses what is and is not covered

StopMeStopMeStopMe · 10/09/2026 16:51

SharonEllis · 10/09/2026 16:06

You're on the Internet so I imagine you could have looked it up. Wikipedia share.google/fqJuVUoHAmW4hqigJ

I asked what you mean by it, not what the Wikipedia page says 🙄

Because many people who say that Jews deserve self determination don’t actually seem to believe that other groups of people do too.

But obviously further conversion is pointless if you found it so difficult to comprehend my question.

SharonEllis · 10/09/2026 16:06

StopMeStopMeStopMe · 10/09/2026 16:02

Can I ask what you mean by self determination?

You're on the Internet so I imagine you could have looked it up. Wikipedia share.google/fqJuVUoHAmW4hqigJ

StopMeStopMeStopMe · 10/09/2026 16:02

SharonEllis · 10/09/2026 15:29

Do you believe that self determination is a bad thing for everyone, or just Jews?

Can I ask what you mean by self determination?

Neverstopwondering · 10/09/2026 15:49

imanastronaut · 10/09/2026 15:39

When the policy of the government enacting it becomes that of genocide and crimes against humanity, of course it takes on a new meaning.

Do you believe that about a government that uses parts of Islamic or Christian beliefs in their rhetoric?

Does the belief used then belong to the political movement?

SharonEllis · 10/09/2026 15:45

Neverstopwondering · 10/09/2026 15:43

The current form. I think you mean one of the possible forms people follow is zionism political. However there is way more to zionism than that and many verisions different people follow. Like most things Jewish there isn't really a set way to believe or think.

The only two things all zionists believe is in Jewish self determination and that Israel should exist. That doesn't mean all zionist agree with the way Israel was created in 1948. It simply means they agree it should be here now and self determination wise Jews should be able to live freely as Jews without the risk of prejudice etc (Something that is different in many areas of the world). Hence the reason why Jews that don't like the Israel government or some of the history will still call themselves zionists.

Exactly. Its not complicated.

SharonEllis · 10/09/2026 15:44

imanastronaut · 10/09/2026 15:39

When the policy of the government enacting it becomes that of genocide and crimes against humanity, of course it takes on a new meaning.

No it doesn't that makes no sense. The government of Israel is not enacting zionism. The state of Israel exists, that is zionism. Individual political policies are not zionism, even if politicians invoke zionism.

Neverstopwondering · 10/09/2026 15:43

imanastronaut · 10/09/2026 15:30

The current form of Zionism is based on the genocidal policy of the state of Israel.

The current form. I think you mean one of the possible forms people follow is zionism political. However there is way more to zionism than that and many verisions different people follow. Like most things Jewish there isn't really a set way to believe or think.

The only two things all zionists believe is in Jewish self determination and that Israel should exist. That doesn't mean all zionist agree with the way Israel was created in 1948. It simply means they agree it should be here now and self determination wise Jews should be able to live freely as Jews without the risk of prejudice etc (Something that is different in many areas of the world). Hence the reason why Jews that don't like the Israel government or some of the history will still call themselves zionists.

imanastronaut · 10/09/2026 15:39

SharonEllis · 10/09/2026 15:37

No Im sorry, but you cant redefine zionism to support your political opinion. Zionism is a simple concept. How it is achieved will of course vary and different people will have different ideas but the basic idea remains the same.

When the policy of the government enacting it becomes that of genocide and crimes against humanity, of course it takes on a new meaning.

SharonEllis · 10/09/2026 15:37

imanastronaut · 10/09/2026 15:33

Yes, it is. The dictionary definition may well be something different but concepts evolve over time and the current Zionist rhetoric we are seeing is worrying.

No Im sorry, but you cant redefine zionism to support your political opinion. Zionism is a simple concept. How it is achieved will of course vary and different people will have different ideas but the basic idea remains the same.

imanastronaut · 10/09/2026 15:33

SharonEllis · 10/09/2026 15:32

No it isn't. Zionism is the right to self determination of the Jewish people. You can oppose this current government but you cant conflate it with zionism as a concept shared by the vast majority of Jews.

Yes, it is. The dictionary definition may well be something different but concepts evolve over time and the current Zionist rhetoric we are seeing is worrying.

SharonEllis · 10/09/2026 15:32

imanastronaut · 10/09/2026 15:30

The current form of Zionism is based on the genocidal policy of the state of Israel.

No it isn't. Zionism is the right to self determination of the Jewish people. You can oppose this current government but you cant conflate it with zionism as a concept shared by the vast majority of Jews.

LandLaser · 10/09/2026 15:31

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Really? So you think 80% of Jews are pro-apartheid?

imanastronaut · 10/09/2026 15:30

Neverstopwondering · 10/09/2026 15:19

Explain please

The current form of Zionism is based on the genocidal policy of the state of Israel.

SharonEllis · 10/09/2026 15:29

imanastronaut · 10/09/2026 15:10

Because it is?

Do you believe that self determination is a bad thing for everyone, or just Jews?

Neverstopwondering · 10/09/2026 15:19

imanastronaut · 10/09/2026 15:10

Because it is?

Explain please

imanastronaut · 10/09/2026 15:10

LandLaser · 10/09/2026 13:41

The majority of Jewish people are zionists. You talk about zionism like it's a bad thing.

Because it is?

LoveLifeBeHappy · 10/09/2026 15:04

mids2019 · 09/09/2026 06:25

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16115899/Miliband-accused-Jews-UK-danger-Chief-Rabbi-Tory-leader-react-Labour-sanctions-Israeli.OrlaNdo memorial

The government's decision to sanction Israel, a democratic ally in the ME, surely is a reward to all those that have spouted Jew hate on our city streets. If the government is willing to distance itself from Israel won't this be seen as further motivation for the radical Islmist left to continue their campaigns in the UK. It's a shameful moment and it will take a lot to rebuild relations with Israel.

What has Islam got to do with any of this?

Neverstopwondering · 10/09/2026 14:58

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Whilst say Cheshire specialised plant produces over 480 million doses of sterile liquid products annually (primarily for respiratory conditions and multiple sclerosis) alongside R&D device technology and a few other things are made in the UK for the company. It still stands that the vast majority of Teva's billions of tablets, capsules, and generic packs distributed to the UK market are imported from its international manufacturing network including Israel itself rather than produced domestically. Components for some of the latest drugs can only come from Israel at the moment as too rare in use to be profitable to make elsewhere. These drugs keep people alive so not something to quibble about.

You can look and say it is an Israeli company so must be lying but the basic facts are correct. Marketing tactic yes but still the numbers I started earlier are facts.

Protester from Palestine solidarity have just held a protest outside Whipps Cross Hospital in London. I can imagine they did their research before quoting these facts and staging their protest about the NHS using Israeli and supplies medicines to treat people. If you don't believe me maybe you will believe them.

Squeezingwildoranges · 10/09/2026 14:12

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augustuss · 10/09/2026 13:41

The illegal settlements are illegal. USA and Israel pretending they are not doesn't change that. The settlements are becoming more and more violent. Israel is making sure there’s no two-state solution by trying to change the facts on the ground and dominate in numbers. There’s an also advisory ruling by international court of justice saying that the entire occupation is illegal, not just the illegal settlements…

The Government made it clear that everyone blaming Jews around the world for Israel’s actions is engaging in antisemitism. People like you are trying to blur the lines and guilt the rest of us for not turning a blind eye.

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