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Anti Semitism to increase after the government sides with Islamists

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mids2019 · 09/09/2026 06:25

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16115899/Miliband-accused-Jews-UK-danger-Chief-Rabbi-Tory-leader-react-Labour-sanctions-Israeli.OrlaNdo memorial

The government's decision to sanction Israel, a democratic ally in the ME, surely is a reward to all those that have spouted Jew hate on our city streets. If the government is willing to distance itself from Israel won't this be seen as further motivation for the radical Islmist left to continue their campaigns in the UK. It's a shameful moment and it will take a lot to rebuild relations with Israel.

Chief Rabbi and Tory leader react furiously to Labour sanctions

Britain's Chief Rabbi said a trade ban on Israeli settlements in the West Bank was 'truly a dark day for British Jews'.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16115899/Miliband-accused-Jews-UK-danger-Chief-Rabbi-Tory-leader-react-Labour-sanctions-Israeli.html

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mids2019 · 13/09/2026 09:10

A very small majority support the government's decision but we seem to have caused further friction with the US and obviously Israel with no benefit to the UK. It seems a separate attempt to claw back the Islamo-left vote from the Greens by a new PM and I think this form of feature politics is doomed to fail. It just seems like some kind of reward for the hate marches against the global Jewish community which have led to a permissive era of anti Semitic proclamations and even terrorism.

Terrible decision.

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RedTagAlan · 13/09/2026 04:19

inamarina · 12/09/2026 15:53

You keep mentioning Italy, but nobody questions whether Italy should exist, do they? Israel, on the other hand…
There are over 20 countries that don’t recognise it.

I think maybe PRC/ROC would be a better example ?

Neverstopwondering · 12/09/2026 20:55

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DeterminedRat · 12/09/2026 20:09

Neverstopwondering · 12/09/2026 19:49

It is a actually a stunning hypocrisy from the international community that anyone still calls it the West Bank

It was under occupation by Jordan for such a short time yet apparently that top trumps anything else

The way Jews living in the area are all refered to as settlers is a lack of knowledge or just properganda too. Yes there are settlers but also their are families that returned to their homes or new homes in the area after Jordan had ethic cleaned their families out during the occupation. Some Jews in the area are several generations of those families. However that doesn't fit the narrative and properganda of everyone their being European settlers

What do Palestinians want it to be called? It's their territory they should be able to call it whatever they please shouldn't they? Or do you believe their illegal occupiers should get to choose it for them?

It reminds me of Brits thinking that they know better than Irish people what the name of their country is and refusing to use it's actual name. Stunning arrogance.

Neverstopwondering · 12/09/2026 20:02

Have a totally awesome 5787

Truly hope you all find a lot of peace love and happiness this year ❤️

Neverstopwondering · 12/09/2026 19:56

RelaxAndDetox · 12/09/2026 19:33

Jordan annexing the area, not a problem. Renaming to earmark for a future Palestine state, not a problem. Somes things are ok it seems.

Someone will probably come along soon and explain that the Jews made them do it including the ethnic cleaning. It was all the Jews fault you see. The poor arabs invading armies had no choice but too do that and change the name to something that white washes the area of Jewish ties.

Neverstopwondering · 12/09/2026 19:49

inamarina · 12/09/2026 15:42

As far as I know, Judea and Samaria is the historic term.
West Bank was the name given to that area by Jordan in 1948, after they had annexed it. It was to distinguish the newly annexed territory on the western side of the Jordan River* *from the rest of Jordan, which lay on the ‘East Bank’.
It’s not some historical term tied to the Palestinian identity.

It is a actually a stunning hypocrisy from the international community that anyone still calls it the West Bank

It was under occupation by Jordan for such a short time yet apparently that top trumps anything else

The way Jews living in the area are all refered to as settlers is a lack of knowledge or just properganda too. Yes there are settlers but also their are families that returned to their homes or new homes in the area after Jordan had ethic cleaned their families out during the occupation. Some Jews in the area are several generations of those families. However that doesn't fit the narrative and properganda of everyone their being European settlers

RelaxAndDetox · 12/09/2026 19:33

inamarina · 12/09/2026 15:42

As far as I know, Judea and Samaria is the historic term.
West Bank was the name given to that area by Jordan in 1948, after they had annexed it. It was to distinguish the newly annexed territory on the western side of the Jordan River* *from the rest of Jordan, which lay on the ‘East Bank’.
It’s not some historical term tied to the Palestinian identity.

Jordan annexing the area, not a problem. Renaming to earmark for a future Palestine state, not a problem. Somes things are ok it seems.

inamarina · 12/09/2026 15:53

iwishitwouldstartraining · 11/09/2026 16:52

I have and, as far as I can see, the definition doesn't cover people who have no strong belief about whether Israel should or shouldn't exist but simply believe that, like Italy, it does exist, and therefore has as much right to exist as any other country.

You keep mentioning Italy, but nobody questions whether Italy should exist, do they? Israel, on the other hand…
There are over 20 countries that don’t recognise it.

inamarina · 12/09/2026 15:42

RedTagAlan · 11/09/2026 16:51

When you say Judea and Samaria , should you not be saying West Bank. That being Palestinian territory.

As far as I know, Judea and Samaria is the historic term.
West Bank was the name given to that area by Jordan in 1948, after they had annexed it. It was to distinguish the newly annexed territory on the western side of the Jordan River* *from the rest of Jordan, which lay on the ‘East Bank’.
It’s not some historical term tied to the Palestinian identity.

Comesround · 12/09/2026 14:27

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OnePeppyFatball · 12/09/2026 05:57

But in Haarezt this is quite worrying as well no?

At two Jewish conferences, speakers turn fears of antisemitism into attacks on Islam
Some conservative leaders are responding to Jewish fears about antisemitism by casting Muslims and Islam as a central threat - and hoping that message will move Jewish voters to the right

OnePeppyFatball · 12/09/2026 05:54

Don’t think it’s about taking sides. More like honouring agreements. From the Independent:

“A sudden and seismic row, allegations of “ethnic cleansing” against Jewish militia from the British government and a counterattack from Israel in shuttering the British mission to Palestinians have followed the UK’s decision to impose sanctions on Israel’s project to build illegal Jewish colonies on the occupied West Bank.
In announcing the trade sanctions, foreign secretary Ed Miliband said: “The British government agrees that there is ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in areas of the West Bank - perpetrated by settler terrorists.
“All too often the Israeli government has turned a blind eye to this, and worse, members of it have made statements and taken actions to support the forced displacement of Palestinians.”
“Ethnic cleansing” and “forced displacement” are often seen as acts of genocide. In the context of Miliband’s language, sanctions against settlers seem disproportionately low and leave the State of Israel off the hook. But the effects of the new British legislation will be felt far more widely. ”
“Britain’s 20th-century history with Israel and the Palestinians has held a special grip on both communities at least since 1917 – the year when a Zionist dream was made real, on paper.
The so-called Balfour Declaration, a letter sent by then foreign secretary James Balfour to Lord Rothschild, has been seen by the Arab world as the original betrayal, a colonial project that has saddled the region with misery.
For the many in the Jewish diaspora, it was the moment that an imperial government which was running Palestine made a “promise” to bring a Jewish State into being.”
“Not so much the midwife as the IVF clinic for the conception of what is now Israel, Britain’s role was special then. And so its sanctions against Israeli settlements on Palestinian land captured by Israel in 1967 have a potency beyond their economic power.
The last Conservative government introduced legislation, in line with demands from Israel, that essentially argued that calling for Boycotts, Disinvestment or Sanctions (BDS) against Israel was anti-Semitic and should be banned. The bill was shelved by Sir Keir Starmer, but his government still maintained a policy of rejecting all and any BDS.
That has now changed. The argument that economic sanctions of any kind against the Jewish State was an atavistic attack on all Jews has been a central part of Israel’s external policies for years. It is a terrible argument that has been blown apart by the UK’s new legislation.”
“But it is nearly impossible to impose a trade ban on the Jewish colonies of the West Bank when the goods they export are identified as being products of Israel. They’ll never say “produced in Palestine” because Israel says there is, and has never been, such a place.
So an importer, or a consumer, keen to comply with new legislation intended to stop the building of “E1” – a gigantic extension of Jerusalem that would bisect the West Bank and destroy territorial integrity for the Palestinians – may decide to boycott all Israeli products to avoid failure to comply with sanctions against settlements.”
“This is the kind of creeping pressure that Israel is allergic to. And sets the UK on a collision course with the government of Benjamin Netanyahu and the White House. The latter has sanctioned jurists with the International Criminal Court for its indictment of Israel’s prime minister and then defence minister, Yoav Gallant, for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Their actions in Gaza, where around 70,000 people were killed, of whom more than 45,000 were women and children, in response to the October 7 massacre, have shocked liberal Jewish groups around the world who have campaigned for a “two state solution” of secure nations for Israelis and Palestinians for years.
On the West Bank, which Netanyahu wants to annex without its 2.5 million Palestinian population, Jewish militia have been forcing non-Jews from their homes in a violent campaign overseen by Israel’s security forces.”
“Ed Miliband, the foreign secretary, was visibly shocked after getting a recent briefing on Gaza. He said in response that “we have to act and to act more decisively” as the settlement sanctions were approaching.
Mike Huckabee, the Christian fundamentalist End Time enthusiast and US ambassador to Israel, snapped back on X with: “The Brits have lost it. The Jew hate of their government knows no boundaries and knows no facts”. Miliband is Jewish.”
“Balfour wrote in 1917: “His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”
The UK government is now, in a limited way, trying to make good on that original commitment to a national home for the Jews that does not prejudice the civil and religious rights of “existing non-Jewish communities”.
Israel’s government is committed to an apartheid structure, land grabs, and has the death penalty that applies only to ethnic non-Jews. It was not always like that and Britain’s sanctions may steer it back towards a less doomed direction.”

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This is why UK sanctions against West Bank settlers are so seismic — The Independent

The UK’s decision to sanction Israeli settlers in the West Back has caused a furious diplomatic row. Britain’s historical role in the establishment of Israel tells us why the move has such potency beyond the negligible economic impact, explains world a...

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SharonEllis · 11/09/2026 19:30

Comesround · 11/09/2026 19:02

These threads get ever more ridiculous.

What is so difficult to understand about sanctions in response to an attempted genocide?

I share your concern that the Israeli government doesn't seem to care that its actions against the people of Gaza incite anti-Semitic behaviour. But this sanction is not in itself anti-Semitic. It's an attempt to respond humanely to an Israeli government that seems to care nothing for that human rights of other communities.

Radical positions like the one you are taking are also doing nothing to avoid anti-Semitic attitudes.

The sanctions are in relation to the settlers on the West Bank. Nothing to do with Gaza and supposed genocide. Who is misunderstanding again? Your last sentence doesn't even make sense. The only people responsible for racism are racists.

Comesround · 11/09/2026 19:02

These threads get ever more ridiculous.

What is so difficult to understand about sanctions in response to an attempted genocide?

I share your concern that the Israeli government doesn't seem to care that its actions against the people of Gaza incite anti-Semitic behaviour. But this sanction is not in itself anti-Semitic. It's an attempt to respond humanely to an Israeli government that seems to care nothing for that human rights of other communities.

Radical positions like the one you are taking are also doing nothing to avoid anti-Semitic attitudes.

Newbutoldfather · 11/09/2026 19:01

These very limited sanctions are a slap on the wrist for Israel.

The main trade between Israel and the UK still continues as normal.

And I suspect we could easily replace the TEVA generic pharmaceuticals that they supply us, at least far more easily than they could replace the military equipment that we sell to them, including F35 parts.

RelaxAndDetox · 11/09/2026 18:54

CaptainMyCaptain · 10/09/2026 08:19

Do you think that, in any way, compares to the destruction of Gaza? Has your city been razed to the ground recently?

My city hasn't sent thousands of terrorists into the neighbouring country murdering, raping, torturing and kidnapping. With people back home whooping in delight and celebrating.

If my city did that then I'd expect a war to break out.

RelaxAndDetox · 11/09/2026 18:51

LoremIpsumCici · 10/09/2026 08:16

I gather you got those figures from the UK/Israel tech hub. They aren’t reflected in the UK.gov documents though. It appears the source of the 1 in 7 prescriptions is a marketing claim by Teva. I can’t find it in anything official. Plus most of the drugs supplied to the UK by Teva are manufactured in the UK so they’re not imported.

The opposition also commented on the drugs used by the NHS from Israel. Are the opposition also wrong?

Therattt · 11/09/2026 17:58

DeterminedRat · 11/09/2026 17:22

I don't think that they would all necessarily have to move. A peace agreement could be negotiated whereby they could continue living in Palestine as permenant residents if they agreed to respect Palestinian sovereignty and laws. If they wanted to live under the Israeli government then they would of course have to move to Israel though.

I can't really see Israel agreeing to any 2 state solution that doesn't have them having control of most of this area. If the highlands were Palestinian and the same think happened as it did when Israel withdrew from Gaza then Israel would be obliterated. So that's not going to happen. Land swaps would probably be what would happen.

Newbutoldfather · 11/09/2026 17:37

If we ever get to a proper two state solution, both sides will have to compromise.

The Israelis will have to recognise that the Palestinians need a contiguous governable state, and remove some of the newer settlements. As @DeterminedRat says, some of the older settlements could remain as Jewish residents within Palestine.

And they will somehow have to work out how to share Jerusalem.

The Palestinians will have to recognise the reality on the ground and the distrust, so that they won’t immediately be able to be a full armed state, but will have to take things slowly under international supervision. And clearly, parties like Hamas, with Jewish elimination in their actual aims, will not be allowed to govern.

It’s a massive project that needs a lot of goodwill on both sides and international pressure and help.

DeterminedRat · 11/09/2026 17:22

Therattt · 11/09/2026 16:47

Where are you proposing moving over half a million people to though? Many of whom have lived there for decades.

I don't think that they would all necessarily have to move. A peace agreement could be negotiated whereby they could continue living in Palestine as permenant residents if they agreed to respect Palestinian sovereignty and laws. If they wanted to live under the Israeli government then they would of course have to move to Israel though.

Babyboomtastic · 11/09/2026 17:20

Therattt · 11/09/2026 16:47

Where are you proposing moving over half a million people to though? Many of whom have lived there for decades.

Not my problem. Back to Israel I guess. If someone moved there and had a family there knowing they were illegally squatting (which they would have done), then they can hardly complain if evicted.

DeterminedRat · 11/09/2026 17:12

Therattt · 11/09/2026 16:35

But most Jewish people living in Judea and Samaria are peaceful people just living their lifes. There is under 1000 " violent" settlers and they should absolutely be dealt with but these sanctions won't effect them at all.

They are still participating in the illegal occupation of the West Bank, can you participate in the oppression of people 'peacefully', I'm not sure that you can.

These 'peaceful' Israelis make these illegal settlements physically permanent, exploiting Palestinian resources for their own gain. Their presence there makes the settlements a continuing reality. No settlers, 'peaceful' or violently barbaric means no illegal settlements.

Their home is probably part of an Israeli settlement plan that has been built to entrench Israels control over the area. The roads that they use have been built to fragment Palestinian communities. Their communities have been designed to push Palestinians out, their very presence makes Palestinians lives more difficult and more dangerous.

At the end of the day without these 'peaceful settlers' there would be no illegal occupation. Their presence ensures that the occupation and subjugation of Palestinians continues and can that ever really be 'peaceful'?