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JadeHare · 08/09/2026 21:08

“Benjamin Netanyahu has been accused of ignoring warnings that could have prevented the Oct 7 massacre.
The Israeli prime minister was personally warned by Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the president of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), that Hamas was planning a major operation against Israel days before the attack, according to a new investigation.
It claims that Mr Netanyahu did not update Israeli security leaders and did nothing with the information he received about 10 days before the attack.”

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Election blown open by claims Netanyahu ignored Oct 7 warning — The Telegraph

Israeli PM allegedly received call from UAE leader about Hamas plot, but failed to alert security chiefs

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OnePeppyFatball · 25/09/2026 22:51

Long, but I’m sure y’all can actually read.

“Roughly two hours before Netanyahu took the stage, a chartered Cessna jet linked to Egypt’s intelligence service had touched down at Ben Gurion Airport, about 30 miles away. The jet rolled to a stop in an isolated section of the airport used for sensitive diplomatic and security missions. Abbas Kamel, Egypt’s intelligence chief and one of the region’s most influential security officials, had come to Israel on a most sensitive mission.”
“Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood–aligned terrorist group that controlled Gaza, appeared to be mobilizing for a major attack, Kamel said, according to Israeli, Egyptian, Arab, U.S., and European officials who were briefed about his visit after October 7. The window to prevent a disaster was closing. He recommended that the Israeli government grant Hamas economic concessions to avert conflict. His message, according to one former Israeli official later briefed on the visit, was: If you don’t change course, Gaza is going to blow up in your faces.
Kamel didn’t provide Israeli officials with a date or specific information on what turned out to be a multipronged attack on Israel less than two weeks later, on October 7. And it’s not clear exactly with whom he met. The Egyptian plane remained on the ground in Israel for 67 minutes, according to an Israeli-airport-authority flight log, before returning to Cairo. (Independent flight-tracking applications confirm the plane’s journey.)”
“What the Israeli officials did with Kamel’s warning remains an open question three years after the most devastating surprise attack in Israel’s history. But officials from seven different countries I spoke with said that Kamel’s visit should have set off alarms across the top ranks of the Israeli government. Netanyahu attended a classified briefing following the Yom Kippur War commemoration, according to his public schedule, and soon after approved some economic concessions to Hamas. Officials who spoke with me stressed that the mere presence of the Egyptian intelligence chief in Israel should have demonstrated the urgency of the issue. “The messenger was the message,” a former Israeli official told me. “There is no world,” this official said, where top Israeli officials meet with the head of Egyptian intelligence “and Bibi is not aware.””
“Netanyahu’s office, in the days after the attack, denied that he’d received any warnings, directly or indirectly, from Egypt over the situation in Gaza. Spokesmen for Netanyahu and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi didn’t respond to my repeated requests for comment when I asked about Kamel’s visit. The then-head of Netanyahu’s national-security council, Tzachi Hanegbi, denied to me this week that there had been a visit from Kamel or an Egyptian warning of any kind.
Kamel’s 2023 visit, details of which have not been previously reported, underscores what dozens of sources have told me: that the Israeli government was repeatedly told of threatening activity by Hamas in the lead-up to October 7.”
“A United Nations envoy who was in the Middle East at the time publicly warned of a latent conflict that could bring “grave consequences” while privately scrambling to defuse tensions between Israel and Hamas. The president of the United Arab Emirates, Mohamed bin Zayed, called Netanyahu to warn about the possibility of an imminent attack, after being briefed on intelligence findings from Egyptian and Palestinian sources, according to U.S. and Arab officials with knowledge of the call. Earlier this month, Israel’s Haaretz reported the leaders’ call; I confirmed with multiple officials that the call took place. Netanyahu denied the report and has threatened to sue Haaretz. The UAE didn’t respond to a request for comment.”
“Current and former Israeli, Arab, and U.S. officials in Israel tell me that they all experienced the same phenomenon in 2023: an arrogance on the part of Netanyahu bred by the deep-seated belief that Israel had the upper hand against Hamas. “It seemed clear that, for whatever reason, the West Bank was their priority,” a former senior U.S. official involved in talks with the Israeli government told me. “They were confident—even cocky—that they had the situation under control.”
The Hamas attack, 11 days after Kamel’s visit, resulted in the deaths of approximately 1,200 people, primarily civilians, and the abduction into Gaza of 251 hostages during coordinated raids on communities, military bases, and an outdoor music festival. Israel launched a crushing retaliatory campaign that killed more than 73,000 Palestinians in Gaza, the majority of whom were civilians, according to the territory’s Health Ministry. Hamas’s leadership and thousands of combatants have been killed. The attacks on Israel and the Gaza war that followed produced one of the more devastating humanitarian tragedies of the 21st century.
“The Netanyahu government’s stunning lack of preparation before the October 7 invasion is perhaps the most important issue in next month’s Israeli election. Netanyahu, who has been prime minister longer than any other politician in Israel’s history, is facing the most serious challenge of his career.
Many Israelis, including Netanyahu’s main rival, the former military chief of staff Gadi Eisenkot, have demanded an independent state inquiry into the military and intelligence failures in the run-up to the October 7 attacks. But Netanyahu has continuously refused to set up the kind of independent inquiry that followed past security failures, including the Yom Kippur War. The prime minister has instead attempted to establish a politically appointed commission of inquiry, which he said would include opposition representatives. The attempt was highly controversial; opposition leaders have refused to advance the proposal over concerns that the probe would favor Netanyahu’s government.* *While the wait for an inquiry continues, dozens of current and former Israeli, Egyptian, Arab, European, and U.S. officials have spoken with me, and their accounts help tell the story of what went wrong that fall.”
“Since Egypt and Israel signed the Camp David peace accords, in 1978, their relationship can be described as, at best, a cold peace. But the two nations have a common desire to subdue the threat of Hamas and other militant groups in Gaza, which borders both countries. Intelligence sharing between Egypt and Israel has thrived, particularly since al-Sisi became president, in 2014—even when their diplomatic relationship founders.
Most of the intelligence reports in the weeks before the October 7 attacks, including Egypt’s, pointed to the renewal of conventional attacks—such as rocket fire—by Hamas and other armed factions in Gaza. They also warned of a spillover of violence into the West Bank. But intelligence sources inside Gaza conveyed to Egypt a more ominous picture, leading Egypt and the UAE to flag to Israel the prospect that something unprecedented was in the works. “For Kamel to go to Israel” for a single hour, an Egyptian official told me about the September 2023 visit, “meant that al-Sisi himself felt: You need to go there and tell them yourself.””
“The Israeli government’s focus, however, was elsewhere. The country was already in the grip of its deepest domestic crisis in decades. For months, Israel had been consumed by Netanyahu’s effort to overhaul the judicial system, a constitutional confrontation that was protested by hundreds of thousands and opened deep fissures within the military and within society. And a surge in Israeli-Palestinian violence in the West Bank had already made 2023 the deadliest year in decades for West Bank Palestinians, with Israeli military raids, Palestinian attacks, and settler violence contributing to the combustible atmosphere. Israel surged military personnel and resources into the territory. Biden administration officials sought to ease tensions in the West Bank while other international and regional negotiators focused on Gaza.”
“Israel established a comprehensive land, sea, and air blockade of Gaza in 2007, when Hamas seized control of the territory, and crossings at Egypt’s border with Gaza, in Rafah, have been tightly restricted since. Freedom of movement became virtually impossible for the 2.1 million people who lived in the 141-square-mile territory. Israel and Hamas had last fought a war there in May 2021. That 11-day conflict ended in a cease-fire—brokered, notably, by Kamel, among others. Hamas appeared to have little interest in abandoning the uneasy truce. But international observers picked up on signs that the situation inside Gaza was changing. Long before the summer of 2023, one international negotiator in the region told me, contacts were reporting that “something was cooking,” though the details were vague and the signals confusing.”
“By August, tensions in Gaza had clearly heightened, in part because Qatar froze deliveries of Egyptian fuel that it had been sending to Gaza since 2021. Hamas resold the fuel and used the proceeds to help pay public-sector workers, a key mechanism by which it maintained control in the Strip. Hamas called for demonstrations at the Erez border crossing over Qatar’s delayed aid, as well as other lingering disputes like the treatment of Palestinian prisoners. The crossing is the primary pedestrian gateway between Israel and Gaza and an especially important one for Gazan workers. Israel responded to the protests in mid-September by closing the crossing.
Roughly 18,000 Gazans had permits to work in Israel. After those people were barred from going to work, “the escalation started to come much faster,” one negotiator told me. The Arabic outlet Rai al-Youm, citing Palestinian sources, reported on September 26 that Hamas had conveyed to the Egyptian government that Gaza would explode over the Erez closure. That same day, Kamel’s plane flew to Israel.”
“Negotiators from Egypt, Qatar, and the United Nations scrambled to maintain calm. Hamas officials responded with what one international negotiator described as a broad “shopping list” of demands, including more permits to work inside Israel and the restoration of the fuel-for-public-salaries arrangement with Qatar. After the talks concluded in the final days of September, Hamas agreed to pull people back from the border fence and to try to ease tensions. Israel agreed to reopen the Erez crossing and to restore a medical-supply line into Gaza, adding that it would consider increasing the number of work permits.”
“Still, the situation remained turbulent. On September 27, 10 days before the attack, Tor Wennesland, the UN’s special coordinator for the Middle East peace process, left Gaza with a stark warning: “The situation inside the Strip is dire and we must avoid another conflict that will have grave consequences for all,” Wennesland wrote on X. A day later, the new arrangement appeared to be taking hold. European diplomats who visited Erez watched as Gazan workers streamed back into Israel.
But negotiators told me it later became clear that Hamas was using the talks as a ploy to buy time while finalizing its attack plans. Documents recovered by Israel from Gaza revealed that Hamas regarded the 2021 conflict as a triumph, and in its aftermath began planning for a breathtakingly large operation. A detailed memorandum from August 2022, apparently handwritten by Yahya Sinwar, then the leader of Hamas in Gaza, laid out much of the operational plan that the group would put into effect the following year. Even as international mediators focused on issues such as work permits and fuel deliveries, believing that these could defuse tensions, Hamas continued its relentless preparations for a massive attack. U.S. and Israeli military analysts told me Israel misinterpreted Hamas’s intentions, concluding that the group had no desire for military confrontation.
“Kamel’s visits to Israel are rare. His last known trips were in May and August 2021, following that year’s Israel-Hamas war. After Kamel’s September 2023 trip, Egypt continued to raise the alarm up until two days before the attack, according to U.S., Egyptian, and Israeli officials with direct knowledge of those communications. American and Israeli officials told me it is unclear whether Kamel’s message could have been understood as foretelling the unprecedented attack that followed. Most of the warnings that Israel received in 2023 contained no date, target, or method of attack. But they were frequent and persistent.
Around the same time, Netanyahu received the call from bin Zayed, whose country had normalized relations with Israel only three years earlier. In the call, bin Zayed reportedly sought to convey his assessment that Sinwar was planning a major attack. Like Kamel, bin Zayed urged Netanyahu to make economic concessions to Gaza. But Netanyahu seemed unmoved, two Arab officials familiar with the call told me.”
“UN negotiators, U.S. officials, and international groups sensed that tensions in Gaza were exceptionally high, but told me they hadn’t been aware of any particular plans for an attack. On September 28, the CIA issued an internal report about a possible Hamas escalation in Gaza, reportedly based in part on foreign intelligence services. U.S. officials told me that report described the possibility that Hamas would launch rockets into Israel over several days. A second report, dated October 5, built on the first but was more analytical than revelatory. Neither detected rehearsals for a coordinated, multipronged attack like the one Hamas carried out two days later.
“On October 5, a message from Egypt to Israel also reiterated concerns that the situation was untenable, U.S., Egyptian and Israeli officials said. It provided no date or methodology, but conveyed urgency about a possible attack, the officials said. Egypt also shared its assessments with several other nations in the region, including Saudi Arabia, a senior Gulf Arab official told me. Jordan’s intelligence chief also conveyed concerns to his Israeli counterparts, according to Arab officials, that the situation had grown potentially explosive, especially in the West Bank, and needed to be addressed swiftly. (Spokespeople for Jordan’s government and intelligence service didn’t respond to a request for comment.)
Biden-administration officials told me that neither Egypt nor the UAE shared such warnings with them ahead of October 7. U.S., Egyptian, Arab, and Israeli officials gave me a range of reasons why. Several people told me the warnings were too vague to warrant sharing with the U.S. Other officials, including those from the region, told me it was up to Netanyahu’s government to share the findings with Washington. (U.S. officials I spoke with dismissed this explanation, suggesting that if Egypt or Abu Dhabi had a pressing warning for Israel, Washington should have heard about it from them.) Several months after the attack, CIA Director William Burns was told, almost in passing, about both Kamel’s visit to Israel and bin Zayed’s call, but was not told about the specifics of their outreach, according to U.S., Israeli, and Arab officials.
“Two days after the attack, as Israel took stock of the tragedy and its military campaign in Gaza began, Netanyahu’s office rejected press reports that he’d received any outreach from Kamel or Egypt. “The Prime Minister has neither spoken, nor met, with the head of Egyptian intelligence since the formation of the government, neither directly nor indirectly,” his office said on X. But the distinction between direct contact and intelligence passed through aides and other officials would become central to the debate over whether Israel could have done more to anticipate the attacks. On October 11, then–House Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Michael McCaul told reporters after a classified briefing for lawmakers that Egypt had warned Israel. “We know that Egypt had warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen,” McCaul said. “I don’t want to get too much into classified, but a warning was given. I think the question was at what level.” (McCaul didn’t respond to my repeated attempts to discuss his comments.)”
“In the months that followed, Israeli officials described a broader failure to interpret the signals coming from Gaza. In leaked recordings of briefings to bereaved families and residents obtained by Israel’s Channel 12, Herzi Halevi, then the chief of staff of the Israel Defense Forces, described the military establishment as having been “lulled to sleep.” In a separate leaked recording, Halevi told local council chiefs that before the attacks, he had regarded Gaza “as the last border that needed attention.”
Halevi resigned from his position in March 2025, and that June, the head of the Israel Security Agency, Ronen Bar, resigned under pressure over intelligence failures linked to the October 7 attacks. Hanegbi, the head of Netanyahu’s security council, was replaced in October 2025. Kamel, who left Egypt’s General Intelligence Service in October 2024, is now an adviser and special envoy for al-Sisi.”
“Since the October 7 attacks , Israel not only launched a crushing retaliation in Gaza, but later opened military fronts against Lebanon’s Hezbollah and, this year, a war in Iran. It’s impossible to know what would have happened if the warnings from Kamel and others had been heeded at the time, but it’s hard to imagine that Israel wouldn’t have been better prepared. As it was, the attacks caught the Israeli security services flat-footed. Reserve forces weren’t immediately available after kibbutz communities were attacked, leaving them defended primarily by local, lightly armed civilian volunteer forces from about 6:30 a.m., when the attacks began, to 1:30 p.m., when significant IDF reinforcements arrived.
Netanyahu said in a campaign video clip last month that Israeli security officials failed to immediately wake him on the morning of October 7. “In the lead-up to October, there were so many warning signs, so many indications, that an attack was imminent,” Netanyahu said, without offering any specifics. “Had they woken me up, everything would have looked different. That is the story of October 7th—that is the story.””
“Today, Gaza remains in ruins and violence continues, despite efforts by the Biden and Trump administrations to secure a cease-fire. An April assessment by the UN, the World Bank, and the European Union estimated that $71.4 billion would be needed over the next decade for Gaza’s recovery and reconstruction. The great majority of its population remains displaced. Meanwhile, the trauma of October 7 lives on for Israelis. And bereaved families from that day continue to search for answers about how Hamas was able to engage in a devastating attack on Israel that appeared to catch the government completely by surprise.
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Excerpt From
“Egypt’s Warning to Israel”
Vivian Salama
The Atlantic
https://apple.news/AulbXFNDcROCdfINc7pHhsQ
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Egypt’s Warning to Israel — The Atlantic

Cairo’s intelligence chief visited Tel Aviv shortly before October 7 with a dire message about Gaza.

https://apple.news/AulbXFNDcROCdfINc7pHhsQ

Islandsofsand · 21/09/2026 07:30

This is just one piece of a jigsaw puzzle.

There is a suggestion that BN was told by more than one person something was going to happen.

First there is a message sent via UAE that is being discussed here.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblogentry/former-palestinian-authority-minister-claims-he-was-source-who-relayed-pre-oct-7-warning-from-hamas-to-israel/

Which made me think wasn’t there other articles on this- Egypt gave warnings days before too.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67082047

Then as noted above the poor female Israeli border guards warning of unusual activities on the border.

Why is BN so adamantly against an independent state commission of enquiry?

Only Hamas are responsible for their atrocities.

BN’s role was to keep his citizens safe, to get the hostages out of Gaza (which would only happen when he agreed to negotiate and stop bombing) and (I would say) to ensure he subsequently acted within international humanitarian law.

A line of militants on motorbikes

Egypt warned Israel days before Hamas struck, US committee chairman says

But Israel's PM describes any claim it received a specific warning as "totally fake news".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67082047

Twiglets1 · 18/09/2026 20:10

DumbledoresPhoenix · 18/09/2026 19:42

Hunter Biden has said in an interview that Netanyahu allowed it to happen so he could carry out what he did in Gaza. I wonder how Americans are taking this bombshell accusation?

Is he a reliable person would you say?

DumbledoresPhoenix · 18/09/2026 19:42

Hunter Biden has said in an interview that Netanyahu allowed it to happen so he could carry out what he did in Gaza. I wonder how Americans are taking this bombshell accusation?

Twiglets1 · 18/09/2026 16:18

Think you’re mixing me up with someone else Raining.

rainingsnoring · 18/09/2026 10:17

Twiglets1 · 18/09/2026 06:09

It's sick to keep on peddling the same old conspiracy theories over and over again. You can't prove a negative for what someone didn't do.

But logic tells us that Israel leaders value Israeli lives incredibly highly - plenty of evidence for that.

I think you forgot to tag me again when responding to my comment.

No one is peddling the same old conspiracy theories again. This is a discussion thread on a discussion board so people are discussing the issue. A few weeks ago, you would have called the idea that Bibi had warnings prior to the attack a conspiracy theory too. It was apparently antisemitic a few weeks ago. Now that it has appeared in the MSM, you are taking it more seriously.
As I already said, I don't know exactly what happened and neither do you.

Twiglets1 · 18/09/2026 08:47

MissyB1 · 18/09/2026 07:30

So you are insisting that Netanyahu's knew nothing and this is all a conspiracy theory?

I'm not saying Netanyahu or his advisers knew "nothing" about a threat, I acknowledge those responsible for Israeli security didn't take the threat from Hamas seriously enough. Obviously, or the Hamas massacre couldn't have happened. That doesn't mean they would have deliberately allowed their people to be murdered, raped, kidnapped - look at the lengths they went to militarily and financially etc to get those kidnapped citizens back, dead or alive.

It has been discussed already on this board that Israel’s top general resigned over the failures of security and intelligence related to the Hamas attack. He took responsibility as the chief of staff of the IDF at the time. Even so, that Israeli general is not actually responsible for the Hamas attack - Hamas is.

Failures of security are something Netanyahu may well get punished for at the elections over, along with other things. Nevertheless, that is very different to implying that Netanyahu would have allowed it to happen for his own reasons. That is the crazy conspiracy theory that people like to spread as there is no way of proving that something didn't happen, beyond common sense.

FairKoala · 18/09/2026 07:42

Before the attack I think most people would have warned any bordering country that if an attack was launched on Israel, there would retaliation.

It wouldn’t have taken any insider knowledge, just a modicum of intelligence and common sense that Israel wouldn’t take a targeted attack on its country and the murder of its civilians lying down.

Hammas/ Palestine I would think were warned that this would happen or had enough intelligence to know the resulting attack would cost Palestinian people their lives. Yet they went ahead with it anyway.

Maybe people should turn the spotlight on these people who allowed the attack to go ahead in the first place.

MissyB1 · 18/09/2026 07:30

Twiglets1 · 18/09/2026 06:09

It's sick to keep on peddling the same old conspiracy theories over and over again. You can't prove a negative for what someone didn't do.

But logic tells us that Israel leaders value Israeli lives incredibly highly - plenty of evidence for that.

So you are insisting that Netanyahu's knew nothing and this is all a conspiracy theory?

FairKoala · 18/09/2026 07:15

Can’t see any of the articles as they seem to want payment

Did any of these warnings state time date and place of this attack or was it a general warning to say that Israel would be attacked

How many of these warnings did Israel get each day. If people can’t be specific can you really say something is a warning.
The real warning would have been to say where and when. It didnt take someone with so called insider knowledge that Israel would be attacked one day. Telling someone something that they already know without filling in the details is a complete waste of everyone’s time.

Twiglets1 · 18/09/2026 06:09

It's sick to keep on peddling the same old conspiracy theories over and over again. You can't prove a negative for what someone didn't do.

But logic tells us that Israel leaders value Israeli lives incredibly highly - plenty of evidence for that.

rainingsnoring · 16/09/2026 09:48

Ihatetomatoes · 15/09/2026 14:57

There is a major difference between knowing something might happen and being incompetent and not taking it seriously, then to knowing a major terrorist attack was about to happen and allowing it to go ahead. A huge difference.

Hamas and all the followers and other joining in, are to blame for the terrorist attacks on October 7th.

Yes of course there is a big difference. I was disagreeing when you said it was 'sick' to even consider that some of the Israeli leaders allowed it for their own reasons. It is definitely possible. No one can be certain at present.

Ihatetomatoes · 15/09/2026 15:11

LoremIpsumCici · 15/09/2026 08:49

Yes I agree, the blame is fully on Hamas for the atrocity of Oct 7th. These revelations don’t mean BN or Israel is at fault. I think it is more that BN is not fit to continue as PM of Israel and many senior leaders aren’t either. Whether they ignored warnings because they were prejudiced against the source- ie UAE= Arab and racism caused him ignore the warnings, or in the case of the IDF female spotters = hysterical woman and sexism caused the male military leaders to ignore the spotters. It is more for how can Israel do better to prevent future attacks from anyone by addressing any systemic racism and sexism within the ranks that are making them more vulnerable to attacks.

He's definitely not fit to continue, hes an awful individual and the sooner he hoes the better.

Yes they need to improve to stop future attacks because they are bound to keep coming. Some may not realise 😕 but many terrorist organisations funded by Iran just wish to eradicate Israel, they are so fussed about helping their own people though.

Ihatetomatoes · 15/09/2026 14:57

rainingsnoring · 15/09/2026 12:48

No, it's not sick. It just makes you feel uncomfortable. Information suggesting that Bibi was at least warned about a potential attack has now appeared in the MSM after being in the alternative media space for a long time. We do know that Israel has the best intelligence service in the world so it does seem odd that this major attack was missed. We don't know what happened for sure at this stage.

There is a major difference between knowing something might happen and being incompetent and not taking it seriously, then to knowing a major terrorist attack was about to happen and allowing it to go ahead. A huge difference.

Hamas and all the followers and other joining in, are to blame for the terrorist attacks on October 7th.

rainingsnoring · 15/09/2026 12:48

Ihatetomatoes · 15/09/2026 08:14

Indeed. A major difference.

There will be those who blame Israel for this, naturally it was all their fault. The blame is on Hamas and the other civilians who went into Israel to rape, torture, murder and kidnap.

Any leaders in Israel that ignored warnings need holding to account but to suggest they allowed it, is rather sick.

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No, it's not sick. It just makes you feel uncomfortable. Information suggesting that Bibi was at least warned about a potential attack has now appeared in the MSM after being in the alternative media space for a long time. We do know that Israel has the best intelligence service in the world so it does seem odd that this major attack was missed. We don't know what happened for sure at this stage.

LoremIpsumCici · 15/09/2026 08:49

Ihatetomatoes · 15/09/2026 08:40

Appalling way to die.

"In a video shot by Hamas, one fighter can be seen addressing a group of spotters whose hands are tied and whose faces are pointed at the wall. “You dogs, we will step on you,” he says.

Amar was shot three times in the back and killed as she sheltered in the migunit, Moshe said. The shelter was left blackened and charred, with bone fragments later found among the ashes"

An enquiry is needed. They should have heeded warnings but arrogance or not imagining the magnitude of attack doesn't mean they wanted it to occur. Theres a massive difference between incompetence and wanting something.

The UK incompetence has meant more died when a terrorist attack occurred eg Manchester arena, and lessons are learned but doesn't therefore follow it was allowed to go ahead as some imply. 😓

Yes I agree, the blame is fully on Hamas for the atrocity of Oct 7th. These revelations don’t mean BN or Israel is at fault. I think it is more that BN is not fit to continue as PM of Israel and many senior leaders aren’t either. Whether they ignored warnings because they were prejudiced against the source- ie UAE= Arab and racism caused him ignore the warnings, or in the case of the IDF female spotters = hysterical woman and sexism caused the male military leaders to ignore the spotters. It is more for how can Israel do better to prevent future attacks from anyone by addressing any systemic racism and sexism within the ranks that are making them more vulnerable to attacks.

Ihatetomatoes · 15/09/2026 08:40

LoremIpsumCici · 15/09/2026 08:22

Would explain why the female IDF spotters along the Gaza border at Nahal Oz were ignored despite repeatedly flagging up signs of Hamas prepping for a major attack.

Many lost their lives or were hostages due to Oct 7th.
https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/my-daughter-could-have-stopped-october-7-the-nahal-oz-spotters-whose-warnings-were-ignored-jkusmjgt

Appalling way to die.

"In a video shot by Hamas, one fighter can be seen addressing a group of spotters whose hands are tied and whose faces are pointed at the wall. “You dogs, we will step on you,” he says.

Amar was shot three times in the back and killed as she sheltered in the migunit, Moshe said. The shelter was left blackened and charred, with bone fragments later found among the ashes"

An enquiry is needed. They should have heeded warnings but arrogance or not imagining the magnitude of attack doesn't mean they wanted it to occur. Theres a massive difference between incompetence and wanting something.

The UK incompetence has meant more died when a terrorist attack occurred eg Manchester arena, and lessons are learned but doesn't therefore follow it was allowed to go ahead as some imply. 😓

Ihatetomatoes · 15/09/2026 08:14

dairydebris · 09/09/2026 07:06

I read the article.
It was fascinating and pretty damning.
I would have thought it'd sink BN hopes in the coming election.
I don't think many posters on here will mind about that.
Receiving and ignoring a warning is categorically not the same as knowing something is going to happen and allowing it to.

Indeed. A major difference.

There will be those who blame Israel for this, naturally it was all their fault. The blame is on Hamas and the other civilians who went into Israel to rape, torture, murder and kidnap.

Any leaders in Israel that ignored warnings need holding to account but to suggest they allowed it, is rather sick.

dairydebris · 09/09/2026 07:06

I read the article.
It was fascinating and pretty damning.
I would have thought it'd sink BN hopes in the coming election.
I don't think many posters on here will mind about that.
Receiving and ignoring a warning is categorically not the same as knowing something is going to happen and allowing it to.

rainingsnoring · 09/09/2026 05:46

Interesting. When I made a similar comment on this section a couple of weeks ago, my posts were deleted and I was called antisemitic.
We don't know for sure what happened as yet, and may never know, but there is certainly some evidence out there that senior Israelis did know in advance.

MissyB1 · 08/09/2026 21:30

Slowly but surely the evidence stsrts to come, it was always somewhat incredible that Israel didn't know something was about to happen.

JadeHare · 08/09/2026 21:26

Yes. Read the same article this morning. Things are getting tricky.

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BelleHathor · 08/09/2026 21:15

@DeterminedRat has a thread containing the Haaretz article that details all the warnings Netanyahu had about October 7th. Surprisingly very little engagement for what is a comprehensive write up.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5576028-oct-7-before-and-after?reply=154634502

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