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Neverstopwondering · 09/09/2026 20:39

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Is that referring to the holocaust again or something else?

Truly I am curious

Neverstopwondering · 09/09/2026 20:38

Squeezingwildoranges · 09/09/2026 20:28

We could discuss the Mossad absolute fuck up in Egypt if you like. Lavon?

You are going to compare a failed no causaulty failed event in the 50s to a pogrom pre 1948? Really

Look stuff has happened on both sides and continues to happen on both sides that the average person with any empthy will feel is wrong. I know that but not sure some posters do. Don't be one of those people or do up to you.

Squeezingwildoranges · 09/09/2026 20:35

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Squeezingwildoranges · 09/09/2026 20:33

Neverstopwondering · 09/09/2026 20:28

Right lets do this properly for anyone reading!

The Farhad in June 1941

Amid a political vacuum and pro-Nazi/anti-British sentiment in Iraq, violent anti-Jewish riots broke out in Baghdad

Over two days of riots, hundreds of Jewish residents were killed, injured, or raped, and widespread looting and destruction of Jewish property

This is just one well known example or at least it should be of you know middle Eastern history or Jewish history

Ever heard of an Israeli historian called Avi Shlaim. He was an Iraqi Jew who can explain it far better than I can. He's written a book about it. He even names the Mossad agents who placed the bombs in Jewish neighbourhoods.

Neverstopwondering · 09/09/2026 20:28

Right lets do this properly for anyone reading!

The Farhad in June 1941

Amid a political vacuum and pro-Nazi/anti-British sentiment in Iraq, violent anti-Jewish riots broke out in Baghdad

Over two days of riots, hundreds of Jewish residents were killed, injured, or raped, and widespread looting and destruction of Jewish property

This is just one well known example or at least it should be of you know middle Eastern history or Jewish history

Squeezingwildoranges · 09/09/2026 20:28

Neverstopwondering · 09/09/2026 20:21

You do know about The Farhud (1941)

And the other pogroms don't you

(I feel a little nausea that Baghdad is being used as an example)

We could discuss the Mossad absolute fuck up in Egypt if you like. Lavon?

Neverstopwondering · 09/09/2026 20:25

SharonEllis · 09/09/2026 20:22

There is something utterly sickening about playing a numbers game with the history of the Jews.

Yet the sickos will continue to do it

SharonEllis · 09/09/2026 20:22

Neverstopwondering · 09/09/2026 20:21

You do know about The Farhud (1941)

And the other pogroms don't you

(I feel a little nausea that Baghdad is being used as an example)

There is something utterly sickening about playing a numbers game with the history of the Jews.

Neverstopwondering · 09/09/2026 20:21

Squeezingwildoranges · 09/09/2026 20:10

You do know there were far more Jews in Baghdad than there were in Jerusalem.

You do know about The Farhud (1941)

And the other pogroms don't you

(I feel a little nausea that Baghdad is being used as an example)

SharonEllis · 09/09/2026 20:17

Squeezingwildoranges · 09/09/2026 20:10

You do know there were far more Jews in Baghdad than there were in Jerusalem.

So?

Squeezingwildoranges · 09/09/2026 20:10

SharonEllis · 09/09/2026 19:44

And there were always Jews there anyway. This idea that there was no Jewish presence is such BS

You do know there were far more Jews in Baghdad than there were in Jerusalem.

Squeezingwildoranges · 09/09/2026 20:07

Bringemout · 09/09/2026 18:10

It was not, they had access to the sea and access to egypt. Plus the reason for the fence was all the suicide bombings, what else can you do when your neighbours keep blowing shit up. And on money lets be honest hamas the bastards snaffled a lot of aid plus taxed the shit out of Gazans, Israel didn’t make them do that. And in spite of everything Gazans were still allowed to cross into Israel to work which will basically be over now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

I’d want a fence between me and them too.

Interesting take on history. Perhaps look into Olmert's air sea and land blockade which he implemented after Sharon had his stroke.

SharonEllis · 09/09/2026 19:44

likelysuspect · 09/09/2026 16:32

It was always Jewish land, the Jewish were ethnically cleansed from it and would be supported if it was any other race/ethnicity/community (pick whatever word suits)

The formation of a state for Jewish people was mooted in the mid to late 1800s, it was not a new concept to get rid of European Jews post WWII

And there were always Jews there anyway. This idea that there was no Jewish presence is such BS

Bringemout · 09/09/2026 18:10

Squeezingwildoranges · 08/09/2026 22:49

I think you need to learn a bit about Israeli history yourself. Sharon pulled Israelis out of Gaza simply because the cost of their security was too high. Instead he decided the best option was to turn it into an open air prison and contain the millions of Palestinians in a tiny area where they had no way of threatening Israel. On top of that, radical Palestinians (Hamas) were funded and encouraged to over throw the Fatah governing body so as to divide the Palestinians. Israel has never tried to be reasonable or even fair with the Palestinians. Plan Dalet is still on going.

It was not, they had access to the sea and access to egypt. Plus the reason for the fence was all the suicide bombings, what else can you do when your neighbours keep blowing shit up. And on money lets be honest hamas the bastards snaffled a lot of aid plus taxed the shit out of Gazans, Israel didn’t make them do that. And in spite of everything Gazans were still allowed to cross into Israel to work which will basically be over now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

I’d want a fence between me and them too.

List of Palestinian suicide attacks - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

likelysuspect · 09/09/2026 18:02

Squeezingwildoranges · 09/09/2026 17:25

So should all white people be ethnically cleansed from the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and a whole lot more?

No what has that got to do with what I said

Bringemout · 09/09/2026 18:01

Jews have always lived there, I have a Palestinian friend who’s grandparents left jerusalem, their neighbours were Jewish and they got on really well, said they were really nice people.

mumumental · 09/09/2026 17:56

The Israeli establishment wanted the land so much that they left settlers to snatch it illegally. The whole thing is ridiculous and a cover for land grab.

Squeezingwildoranges · 09/09/2026 17:25

likelysuspect · 09/09/2026 16:32

It was always Jewish land, the Jewish were ethnically cleansed from it and would be supported if it was any other race/ethnicity/community (pick whatever word suits)

The formation of a state for Jewish people was mooted in the mid to late 1800s, it was not a new concept to get rid of European Jews post WWII

So should all white people be ethnically cleansed from the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and a whole lot more?

likelysuspect · 09/09/2026 16:32

Katiesaidthat · 09/09/2026 09:06

Jews were kicked out by the Romans from the area 2000 years ago, the whole point of the diaspora. So no, they didn´t have any claim to the land 2000 years later, that is ridiculous and only Israelis are allowed to claim that shit. The land belonged to those who lived there in the early 40s. The point being that after the 2nd World War when the concentration camps were liberated, European nations did not in any way whatsoever want the survivors back so they outsourced the problem and made it a Palestinian problem. So yes, I do believe that the politics of the afterwar created this awful situation where Palestinians became a minority in their own land. I am sure that if the Bible said that Manchester had belonged to the jews 2000 years ago and hundreds of thousands were "encouraged" to leave mainland Europe and settled in the city, kicking out the natives of their homes "because 2000 years ago" there would be massive backlash, but it seems the ME is this vacuum where they have to grin and bear it.

It was always Jewish land, the Jewish were ethnically cleansed from it and would be supported if it was any other race/ethnicity/community (pick whatever word suits)

The formation of a state for Jewish people was mooted in the mid to late 1800s, it was not a new concept to get rid of European Jews post WWII

mumumental · 09/09/2026 16:11

@IhatetomatoesSo what? Britain was owned by Rome at that time, and before that, the Saxons from Denmark and Germany .

Libby1233455 · 09/09/2026 14:52

Ihatetomatoes · 09/09/2026 14:00

"Jordan took the West Bank after the creation of Israel and made Palestinians citizens of Jordan, which is a bit different to what happened in what is now Israel in 48!"

Oh dear oh dear oh dear

Facts and logic, please.

Libby1233455 · 09/09/2026 14:52

Ihatetomatoes · 09/09/2026 13:59

Perhaps Palestinians can be citizens in Israel then 🤔 as in Jordan...... oh ✋️ wait 😅

Is that why Israel are allowing the hundreds of thousands of 1948 Palestinian refugees and their descendants their internationally recognised legal right of return? Oh wait, no. They’re not are they, because the numbers of Palestinian citizens in Israel are deliberately kept low.

Ihatetomatoes · 09/09/2026 14:00

"Jordan took the West Bank after the creation of Israel and made Palestinians citizens of Jordan, which is a bit different to what happened in what is now Israel in 48!"

Oh dear oh dear oh dear

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Ihatetomatoes · 09/09/2026 13:59

Libby1233455 · 09/09/2026 13:38

What about them? You’re clutching at straws. Sure there were outliers, but as you know, Palestinians overwhelmingly lived in the land and buildings that now make up Israel proper before they were forced out. Many Palestinian families still have the keys to their old houses in what is now Israel.

The fact that there wasn’t a nation state called Palestine means nothing. Lots of areas didn’t have nation states until the west imposed this ideal on them. Palestine was a region where people lived, loved and worked, and built families for generations, which wasn’t someone else’s to take.

Jordan took the West Bank after the creation of Israel and made Palestinians citizens of Jordan, which is a bit different to what happened in what is now Israel in 48!

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Perhaps Palestinians can be citizens in Israel then 🤔 as in Jordan...... oh ✋️ wait 😅

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Libby1233455 · 09/09/2026 13:38

Ihatetomatoes · 09/09/2026 12:38

What about the land sold 🤔
What about the Palestinians who left because they were assured that the surrounding countries would beat Israel in a quick war and they should come back 🤔
Not stolen at all.
Since when did the later created term Palestine own all the land 🤔
What about the land stolen by Jordan or is that ok since not Jewish 🤔

What about them? You’re clutching at straws. Sure there were outliers, but as you know, Palestinians overwhelmingly lived in the land and buildings that now make up Israel proper before they were forced out. Many Palestinian families still have the keys to their old houses in what is now Israel.

The fact that there wasn’t a nation state called Palestine means nothing. Lots of areas didn’t have nation states until the west imposed this ideal on them. Palestine was a region where people lived, loved and worked, and built families for generations, which wasn’t someone else’s to take.

Jordan took the West Bank after the creation of Israel and made Palestinians citizens of Jordan, which is a bit different to what happened in what is now Israel in 48!

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