Disengagement 710 - Ethnic cleansing!

I don't understand your reply. You're now asking something completely different to your OP. Your OP was objectively nonsense. No, every single person should not be held to blame.

Most? Some? Maybe. I don't know. I'm not privy to their thoughts, actions or fears regarding any action they take against their government.

Your reply to another poster was a cop out. Blame requires consequence. In some form. So if they were blamed, we wouldn't just ignore that, would we? Otherwise, we'd be sanctioning their behaviour.. no.

It's fine to wonder why they haven't done more but ultimately, what can they do? They didn't move there by accident. My understanding is that only people who wanted to live there moved there. They knew what they were doing. Did they know how things would play out? Probably not.

2 million out of 80 million... Okay.

Obviously to protest and influence government policy. Not to prove I wasn't culpable for my government's actions.

I was on the big march. Its completely irrelevant and your argument is incomprehensible.

2 million was a tiny fraction of the population. That is not what your asking. You're asking whether a whole population is 'culpable' if their government does something you disagree with. stop moving the goal posts and dressing this up to sound reasonable. Collective punishment is illegal and immoral.

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No I haven't ever said "Palestinians" when I mean Hamas.

I'm very clear that Hamas are the terrorist group.

You’re free to condemn Israel’s actions as strongly as you like, but accusing someone of defending genocide simply because they don’t share your interpretation of events isn’t an argument—it’s a personal attack.

The suffering of Palestinian civilians, including children, is not something to be dismissed or excused. At the same time, condemning Hamas, questioning particular claims, or discussing the wider conflict doesn’t automatically amount to defending the Israeli government or its actions.

Do you actually want to have a serious discussion? If so, it needs to be based on evidence and arguments rather than speculation about someone’s intelligence, mental state, or character.

You again Francine 🙄

Sure. Just like you should be held accountable for child labour involved in making your phone, clothing etc every time you buy / use a phone or buy cheap clothes. And also: we should be accountable for (modern) slavery every time we buy fish, according to a Netflix documentary (Seaspiracy).

Then there's the recent Mo Gilligan docu on Netflix showing the terrible way employees are treated in the chicken industry. Best stop eating chicken. I mean, we should anyway.

If you've ever seen The Good Place (great show!) - it's like the writers point out: it's become too hard to be a good person. Best not to point fingers because none of us come out of that looking good.

I never say "Palestinians" when I mean Hamas, even though Hamas are Palestinian.

Yes, but you've got to appreciate that generally worldwide, now and historically, people use the name of the government to mean the government. It's common and almost universal shorthand.

It's also disingenuous to pretend you don't do this, when I've seen first hand several years of posts from you, equating Palestinians with Hamad, or blaming them as a group of people, for the actions of Hamas. Your history doesn't lie.

Speak for yourself. When I'm talking about the Iranian leadership I refer to them as the IRGC to distinguish them from ordinary Iranians.

And I refer to Hamas as Hamas, not as Palestinians.

I voted to remain and we got Brexit. I am content with someone thinking the British are to blame for Brexit, because enough people supported it to make it our political reality. So the 'British voted for brexit', I have no issues with.

If a political party has a policy, gets voted in, and those policies materialise, then as a country we take collective responsibility for that IMO. The government represent the country, and by implication the people. That doesn't mean every single person has responsibility for the decisions, but as a country the people do.

So I don't think it's wrong to treat the country of Israel as responsible for the Israeli governments misdeeds, which is what we do for pretty much every country on earth.

For example, when we talk about Iran, people don't bend themselves in contortions to specify that they don't mean Iranians, they only mean the current government. I don't see why we should give Israel this latitude when we don't for other countries.

LOL.

I read as all Israelis as well.

If this were to go ahead and unlike every other country in the world, Israeli citizens/Jews are deemed complicit in their government's actions, then the OP should defend Anti-semitism. Indeed applaud it.

After all, by suffering for their government's crimes, Jews are suffering excessively for 'Jewish' crimes.

Aww, you got us!

Ed Milliband is manboy disaster in whatever role he has. I'm not sure if he is deliberately pandering to the Muslim vote or is just a complete buffoon.

New tech, NHS drugs (1/4 are made in Israel), jobs for Palestinians are just some of the things that will suffer.
Not to mention more attacks on Jews.
Massive massive loss of trade.
Or losing the US as an ally.
It goes on.

Anybody who supports this really lacks critical thinking skills and is unable to see the bigger picture through their racism.

Are we talking about nation or individuals? If I read OPs question correctly it was "all Israelis"

You truly believe in group think of a nation? That everyone in a country is as guilty of their leaders actions as their leads so should be punished for those actions?

What about the people that didn't vote for those leaders, that were not born at the time etc are they all guilty too?

Not sure if you are deliberately not understanding my point or just don't get it but in both situations the answer is always nothing short of 100% would be acceptable

As 100% would never happen your premise would be prejudice against people for their governments actions. The premise is totally immoral and racist.