Disengagement 710 - Ethnic cleansing!

That’s how it reads to me. ‘If the world sees…’ - what other conflicts is ‘The World’ watching so closely?

It sounds to me as if @Squeezingwildoranges is saying that an increase in attacks on Jews across the globe is inevitable unless the Israelis protest against their government?
Have I misread that?
I can’t think of any other conflict where such threats would be acceptable.

This is what the OP said about the risk of the rise rise of antisemitism if people believe in “collective moral responsibility “
“I actually agree with you on the risk. If a policy of forced displacement which is illegal under international law and a defined crime against humanity succeeds while the Israeli public passively stands by, it will unfortunately feed global antisemitism. Moral culpability isn't a label imposed by outsiders, it is an objective reality based on action or inaction. However, if the world sees significant opposition and massive protests from the Israeli population against these illegal state actions, it will do the exact opposite and actually help in the fight against antisemitism.”

I think that sounds as if she believes that Israelis themselves are to blame for the rise in antisemitism. That is a shocking thing to say and I dont understand why my post was deleted before @Squeezingwildoranges had a chance to clarify or retract her post ( which has not been deleted)

Not sure why my post was deleted when it was simply stating what the OP said

I will never forget the images of 7/10, nor the people in my country who celebrated it.

Yes, but there is a difference between people having 'disturbing' views on their neighbours simply because they feel superior, and having those views because the neighbours hold similar attitudes toward them.

I mentioned only Israelis because the OP asked specifically about Israelis and that is what I was responding to.

In your pp you only mention Israelis as the ones with disturbing and dehumanising views towards their neighbours.
Considering how numerous people in Gaza celebrated, seeing the broken bodies of Israelis being paraded around on October 7th (never mind the hundreds who joined the attacks themselves), what do you think their views on their neighbours are?
Regarding Israelis joining the IDF - what do you think would happen to Israel if it didn’t have a defence force?

Obviously I could respond with photos of the many dead Palestinian women and children killed by Israel, the evidence of rape and torture etc. But I won't because swapping gruesome photos of the atrocities of the two sides (one claiming to be a democracy) doesn't prove anything. I was already aware of the horror of October 7th. But also that it is not the only horror carried out in this long long running conflict.

I was accused of being melodramatic when I said that it was unreasonable to expect survivors and families of those lost in October 7th to want to protest in support of Palestinians.

Would the OP find the survivor of male gang rape at the Nova Festival morally culpable for not going out and protesting on behalf of Palestinians?

I find the atrocities Palestinians actually committed on Israelis deeply disturbing and dehumanising, let alone their views. Website showing graphic evidence below.

WARNING a strong stomach and a few days in bed trembling in horror may be needed.

Hamas Massacre | October 7th Proof

Wow I missed that.

😬😬😬😬

So are you changing your premise to they should all be held 'culpable' unless they head out onto the streets to protest?

Its ridiculous. Do you hold my mate Patrick in NYC culpable for Trump bombing Iran? He definitely voted for Kamala but had to work on the day of the protest... is he morally disgusting?

Further, I literally gave you the stat of 72% of Palestinians believing October 7 was the correct decision. After it had happened. Yet we still know we can't hold those people culpable for October 7. They didn't do it. You yourself know they can't be held responsible.

But Israelis can. For something they haven't even done.

You're literally trying to legitimize the way you feel about people who live in Israel.

I'm amazed you can't see it. But I guess it would require a whole new internal idea of self to be integrated... I know its hard. But you can do it if you want.

I don't see any appropriate or fair mechanism to hold the general public to account for the actions of the state. However, on the issue of what the general public supports, I have seen some very disturbing vox pops where it is clear that the views of some Israelis about Palestinians are deeply disturbing and dehumanising. I do not know how many this applies to though. Elections may help tell us. Willingness to serve in the IDF instead of object conscientiously is another indicator. Not protesting is another indicator. There are many Israelis protesting against the actions of their State, they are very brave. History will obviously be on their side.

Ok then, can you see your double standard?

Its this-

Israelis should be held responsible for their governments decisions.

Palestinians should not be held responsible for their governments decisions.

Can you see it?

Where is my double standard?