Hamas to disarm.....

Oh it's just heartbreaking @Sleepinggreyhounds . The world has completely abandoned them. I was reading about the unbearable temperatures in the tents at the moment. And the fear that any day could be their last while their land is being slowly consumed by Israel.

It is shameful this has been allowed to happen.

Ok but I still think international governments and community are well aware.

Agree the world’s gaze is more focused on the Iran war right now though.

In terms of hidden they mean the lack of international observers. This leaves reports from Gaza open to criticism and denial, which we’ve all seen. And yes, I think Gaza has been off the headlines recently due to other world events - you can find reports but they are not front and centre. They feel forgotten by the rest of the world when the vast majority of the population are living in unimaginable conditions with no immediate hop of improvement and daily bombardment.

Thank you.

I wouldn’t say that what’s happening is hidden from the world, would you?

I think there has been a huge international spotlight on Gaza … appreciate those living there may not be aware of that if their media sources are restricted.

Western governments are well aware … which must feel at times like no one cares. I think that people do care but governments are limited in how much they want to or can intervene in political problems that have been raging for so long and seem almost impossible to fix.

@Twiglets1 they have mentioned they want an international peace keeping force. I’m not sure how they would see this being made up - my friends are quite open minded and pro- Western having studied in the UK and other European countries but I would imagine there would be resistance to western intervention from some of the population and they would want the force drawn from Islamic countries. Everyone is wary of the US. At the moment they feel that what’s happening is hidden from the world which makes them feel even more vulnerable. I’ll ask more about this next time we text.

Interesting to hear the views of people in Gaza.

What form would they like this protection to take @Sleepinggreyhounds ?

I have friends in Gaza. After so many years of this conflict they want peace, which will include the disarming of Hamas(who they loath), more than we can imagine. But they are scared that disarming Hamas will lead to further violence against them from the many armed gangs (often supported by the Israeli Government) that are waiting to fill the vacuum. And they are scared of Israel - the attacks have continued pretty much nightly throughout this supposed period of peace negotiation. Gazans need protection, and a road map that will lead them out of this mess with firm commitments from Israel and the international community. Disarming Hamas is a crucial part, but so much more needs to be in place if there is to be any hope of peace.

From the ipaper:

“Last month, Trump announced what he described as a “monumental” deal that would see the “complete disarmament” of Hamas in exchange for Israel’s withdrawal of troops from the Gaza Strip – the first and long-awaited accomplishment of Trump’s much-vaunted Board of Peace.
Usually, this kind of deal would be announced at a major summit, with lots of pomp and ceremony – and Trump is very fond of pomp and ceremony – but in this case, there was none of that. In fact, Israel seemed to be absent from the announcement altogether. Trump had announced a supposedly historic peace deal, and Israel wasn’t even confirming that they’d signed up to it.
On Sunday, Benjamin Netanyahu finally gave his answer, and it was a resounding “no”. Dismissing the 15-point Trump plan as “fictitious disarmament”, Netanyahu said he would settle only for complete and unilateral Hamas disarmament. He confirmed that Israel would not be withdrawing any of its troops from the region.”
“Netanyahu and Trump are supposed to be close friends. Israel is the US’s closest ally, and is deeply reliant on US military and financial support for its survival. The US president should not be getting surprised or publicly embarrassed by Israel like this – and yet, here we are.
The reality is that no one except Trump will be surprised by this: elections in Israel are just a few months away, and Benjamin Netanyahu is facing an extremely tough battle to hang on to the premiership – especially given his ongoing corruption trial, which hugely raises the stakes for him.
Netanyahu, a longtime security hawk, has shifted his entire political platform since October 7 to become an ultra-hardliner on Gaza and Palestine. His promise when he launched an all-out assault on the Gaza Strip was that he would eradicate Hamas once and for all.”
“He has very obviously not achieved that goal, which is enough of a political difficulty on its own. Going further and signing a US-brokered deal for a phased withdrawal of troops in exchange for phased disarmament by Hamas – who would hand over their weapons to some new Palestinian governing authority – would be political suicide. Netanyahu was never going to sign this deal, and anyone with even passing familiarity with Israel’s politics could have told Trump that.
This kind of embarrassment is hardly an isolated incident, though. Trump is getting in the habit of announcing major peace plans and deals on a weekly basis, which usually fall apart within a matter of days, if not hours. He has announced peace deals with Iran – and the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz – so many times now that it barely makes headlines when he does. Trump’s approach to geopolitics seems to have been reduced to merely announcing what he wants to happen, and then getting increasingly angry when it doesn’t just magically come to pass.”
“The truth is that Trump wasn’t even played by Netanyahu on this occasion: Israel never even pretended to like this deal, let alone to sign on to it. Instead, he’s played himself. Trump might have access to the best intelligence in the world, but he never seems to listen to it.
Reportedly, he rarely receives the Presidential Daily Briefing. Instead, according to the New Yorker he generally gets his morning briefing from Fox News. He has largely frozen out America’s huge and deeply experienced diplomatic service, instead relying on his special envoys, his billionaire buddy Steve Witkoff and his son-in-law Jared Kushner.
Trump has created the ultimate filter bubble, getting his view of the world from a news channel that shamelessly panders to him, so as to keep him as a viewer, and from sycophantic advisers who know what happens to anyone who tells Trump something he doesn’t want to hear.”
“If Trump were just another 80-year-old whiling away his retirement at home, this would be harmless enough – but he’s not. Instead, he’s trying to run the world while in this state, so out of touch that he can’t even predict what his allies will do, let alone his enemies, and unable to think even one move ahead.
Donald Trump likes to think he’s the master of the great game of geopolitics. In reality, he is doing little more than constantly playing himself.”

Excerpt From
“Trump thinks he’s winning. He’s the last to realise he’s lost”
James Ball
The i Paper
https://apple.news/AMnhc9LYrQ6W6gtIxC04KKg
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I've previously asked my American friends in Florida and other states, they take the 2nd Amendment extremely seriously as it's meant to protect the citizens from the Tyranny of the Government (which Trump’s administration is happily displaying for example with the extrajudicial ICE murders et al).

I think the reaction to anyone who did this would be extreme violence. America still has armed militias across the country such as the Oath Keepers, Three Percenters, John Brown Gun Clubs, and Socialist Rifle Associations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_militia_movement

But we are going to be actually in charge of counting the guns and we are never going to say that they are all collected because then we would have to keep our side of the agreement.
And no one will ever be any the wiser because we will have "intelligence".

Just as a thought experiment, imagine if Trump went on TV and made a special announcement, all US citizens to disarm. " We have done a deal with Mexico and Canada, and troops from those countries will be along soon to collect all your guns".

The Telegraph report that Netanyahu said that Israel was speaking with the US about its objections.

“They have ideas; some of them are acceptable to us and some are not, and we know how to stand our ground on these matters,” he said.

Mr Netanyahu said that Hamas must give up all of its weapons, a goal that Board of Peace members say is not realistically achievable.

“We are talking about real disarmament, not fictitious disarmament,” Mr Netanyahu said.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/08/09/benjamin-netanyahu-israel-donald-trump-gaza-plan-hamas/

Netanyahu okayed reconstruction in part of Gaza outside Hamas control — report

Army Radio reports that Netanyahu and Israel Katz quietly gave the go-ahead for rehabilitation work to begin in southern Gaza, despite vowing that reconstruction of the badly damaged Strip would only take place once the Hamas terror group disarmed.

The reconstruction work, which involves building infrastructure for the establishment of residential housing, is taking place in an area of eastern Rafah under Israel Defense Forces control, but near the Yellow Line that forms the ceasefire line with Hamas.

According to the report, Netanyahu and Katz gave the green light two weeks ago, albeit without announcing the move, as the International Stabilization Force set to take control of parts of Gaza readied to deploy.

The Army report claims that Gaza contractors and laborers will carry out the work after undergoing security checks.

In response, the Prime Minister’s Office says the work began months ago, as part of an Emirati-backed project for temporary housing “free of Hamas rule.”

“As of now, the area has been cleared of terror infrastructure and tunnels,” reads the PMO statement provided to Army Radio.

The PMO also says electric, sewer and water infrastructure work will not be performed by Gazans, and will be under IDF supervision.

In January, Netanyahu insisted that reconstruction in Gaza would be allowed only once Hamas first gave up its weapons, something it has refused to do thus far, though a recent US-proffered agreement, rejected by Israel, appeared to pave the way toward disarming the group.

“I am already hearing the statements that we will allow Gaza’s reconstruction before demilitarization,” he said at the time. “That will not happen.”

Responding to the report, Transportation Minister Miri Regev tells the station that rebuilding work can begin in any area of Gaza not under Hamas control.
“We want Gaza to recover,” she says.

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-okayed-reconstruction-in-part-of-gaza-outside-hamas-control-report/

Repost from the 4th August:

The Guardian: Netanyahu said Israeli forces will not withdraw from their current lines in Gaza until Hamas has completely disarmed.

In remarks on social media, Netanyahu suggested there were differences between Israel and the Trump administration over a recent deal announced to disarm the militant group.

The agreement called for Hamas to begin disarming and for Israel to halt its strikes and begin withdrawing from Gaza. It was part of an October ceasefire agreement that ended major military operations but has stalled on other fronts.

Netanyahu said that disarmament should come first, and that Israeli forces would continue to “do whatever is necessary to protect themselves, our territory, and our citizens.”

He added the Trump administration “sent us a draft. We did not agree. It is not our draft. We sent our comments.

“This is our position. We stand firm on our interests, I believe both wisely and resolutely.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/aug/04/middle-east-crisis-qatar-iran-us-israel-war-donald-trump-strait-hormuz-gaza-latest-news-updates

So Hamas agreed and Israel didn't? Even when the terms were changed after two days to suit Israel.

Why would they though in fairness. They have continually moved the yellow line to further displace people and corral them into smaller and smaller areas. They are taking Gaza (and the West Bank)little by little and nothing is being done about it in the international community (quite the opposite really)

They have no need to make an agreement.

Plan rejected by Netanyahu. No deal likely until after the Israeli election. Same old, same old. Delay, delay, delay.

🤢

Is Reuters good enough?

Israel has continued to carry out strikes on Gaza since agreeing last October to a U.S.-mediated ceasefire, killing 1,200 Palestinians in the past nine months. Palestinian health officials say many of those killed were women and children. Hamas rarely announces its casualties.

One wonders what sources you are reading.

Stop reading the Guardian then.

Maybe try one of the 100+ threads about Israel's behaviour then.

Well, it’s hard not to, because Israel’s behaviour continues to be unspeakable, and they pass off anyone they kill as Hamas, from what I’ve read.

No worries, like I said on that same thread, we are both different sides of the same coin. Xx

That is true.

I asked for a different mod to review the thread and was told that it had been escalated to the Head of Community at Mumsnet.

The Head of Community sent me a detailed email response. She deleted most of Francine's posts and did not reinstate the post of yours (or mine) that had already been deleted. I was told that my post attacked Francine which is against site rules, albeit only using the same language that she had thrown at me first.

I always report Holocaust Inversion as I cannot abide it. The rest I prefer to leave to stand so everyone can see it.

@dairydebris plainly says here that they don't report posts apart from those using HI as you call it (Holocaust Inversion).

Don't be bitter Ellen ... DD and I both got posts deleted on this thead too for reflecting the language back to Francine that she used first ... I've moved on.