Iranian clerics call for assassination of Trump and Netanyahu

I think that this illustrates the dilemma when international norms are abandoned.

Israel have been brought into it because Katz made a retaliatory death threat to the Iranian leader. Or are you going to ignore that small problem?

Nobody. And I don't think anyone has said Iranian clerics calling for death is good.

The conversation is just opening up I think. Into general religious of today calling for people to be killed.

I think most people agree on Iran though, that the leadership is horrendous and the Iranian people all have our sympathy.

Israel (not the citizens) imo pretend to be some beacon of peace and good morals but they are not.

I personally understand Hamas and Hezbollah are a huge problem and are evil evil bastards, and totally get why Israel want’s rid of them (as should the rest of the world)
People are angry with what Israel have done to Gaza, what the “settlers” are allowed to get away with in the West Bank and now whats happened in Lebanon. Netanyahu is a blood thirsty criminal who doesn’t give a shit about international laws or the lives of innocent civilians, they should be better than a terrorist group, but they are not really are they? (IMO)

@Twiglets1 Talk to the parents of the dozens of men who've been blown up on boats in the Caribbean – no trial, just an assumption of wrong doing leading to summary execution – about whether Trump is a murderer.

Why are you so excised about words but not about deeds?

And Israel making them too don’t forget.

I think the point being made is that just because you are supposedly “religious”, it doesn’t stop you from making death threats. Across the board.

Who on the thread has waded in saying that US pastors and their idiocy are a good thing?

TBF, there is not a lot to discuss re Iranian clerics calling for the death of Trump and Netanyahu. I can't find much about it on my web.

OP... Trump has already ordered the killing of the Iranian leader which happened...and some of his family died in those strikes too.

Its also been clarified that a whole school of Iranian kids were killed in a US airstrike specifically because Trump didn't use up to date maps - which he would have known about if he'd worked with decent military experts instead of Hegseth and that frat bro crowd.

He also kidnapped and imprisoned the Venezuelan leader and his wife.

What other response would you think he'd get?

Well, as the conversation is opening up a bit, it might be worth mentioning US evangelical Scott Lively and his Pastor pals who were instrumental in Uganda passing the death sentence as punishment for being gay.

The Role of US Evangelicals in Radicalizing Ugandans Against LGBTQ Rights — History News Network (hnn.us)

As for Pastors in the US, there are hundreds of them who call for LGBTQ folk to be executed. Example here:

Tennessee preacher-cop calls for execution of LGBTQ people | CNN

Authorities in Tennessee are reviewing all pending cases involving a Knox County Sheriff’s Office detective after he gave a sermon at his church that called for the government to execute members of the LGBTQ community.

“They are worthy of death,” Grayson Fritts said in a June 2 sermon at All Scripture Baptist Church, a small church in Knoxville that he leads.

A lot of these religious folk really do appear keen on killing.

Probably because people aren't as obsessed with Israel as some posters would like to portray, bad people do bad things everywhere, you'd be here all day if you started threads about them all especially something like so and so said x, y or z, it's small fry compared to the actual atrocities that happen.

It's kind of difficult not to mention the acts carried out by the US and Israel on a thread with Trump and Netenyahu in the title.

I don't get the mentality that it's impossible to give an opinion about something without there always having to be something in opposition to the topic at hand. Like that's the only lens you have to view things through - X is doing something bad - well yeah, not as bad as/just at the same as Y.

Like you can't mention anything bad that Labour are doing without some bright spark piping up about 'well what about the Tories?' Well yeah, they were shit too, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't look at how shit Labour are being - they're the ones in power right now!

Or when Hamas carry out an atrocity - well what about Israel?

Over and over again. So tedious.

The lack of ability to appraise something on its own merits is curious.

Nobody thinks that loss of life is ok. But it comes across as if posters think one side is better than the other when they do the whataboutery. They want us to shift attention from the first thing to the second (though the same posters complain bitterly when others do that to them).

The whataboutery I guess is some sort of defensiveness? But who on earth thinks these idiots in Iran are worth defending? And why on earth would you assume that anyone who raises concern about death threat to a leader must approve of that leader?

It's so childlike that it's hard to debate with rationally. Maybe that's the aim.

Another thread that was started about something other than, but has ended up all about Israel.
Must be so odd to be so obsessed with something one dislikes so much.

Tangential to this thread, Khamenei [the dead one] is about to go on tour, including taking in two holy cities in Iraq. Image is from an article posted just before midnight on Monday (address at top). What could possibly go wrong? The article mentions fatal crowd crushes at previous big funeral gatherings.

Just some of the controversial comments made by Rabbis in Israel during the Israeli and Hamas war:

Rabbi Eliyahu Mali: Head of the Shirat Moshe Yeshiva in Jaffa, he made remarks to military students in March 2024 suggesting that Jewish religious law required the killing of all residents in Gaza. He argued that "there is no difference" between combatants and non-combatants, including women and children, stating: "either you or them. Whoever comes to kill you, kill him first". The Israel Police recommended closing the incitement case against him. 1, 2]
Rabbi Ronen Shaulov: A prominent Israeli cleric who has openly given speeches calling for the starvation of the entire population of Gaza, including children, asserting that none should be spared. 1]
Minister Amichai Eliyahu: An Israeli cabinet minister and former yeshiva educator, he suggested early in the conflict that dropping a nuclear weapon on Gaza was "an option". He later advocated for bombing Gaza's food and fuel reserves, stating that "they need to starve" and that finding ways for Gazans that are "more painful than death" should be explored. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

I looked it up, and Iranian clerics have been saying these things for years. I am not saying it should be ignored. But they seem to not be very good at it.

And yes, I know the 20 Iranian terror plots uncovered in the UK was about them wanting to kill dissidents. But that was the Iranian Government so far as I am aware. Not clerics. And the plots were foiled.

And yes, I know about Salman Rushdie too. That was Khomeini.

But here we are talking about POTUS and the Israeli pm.

Possibly wrong and this self doubt is why I never gamble.

I find just find it vanishingly unlikely that someone following this decree with the means, motive and opportunity will ever be in striking distance of either individual. I rather think time and cholesterol (or an assassin with another motivation) are more likely to do Trump in first. He’s 80 and not in fantastic health, How long can he possibly have?

Some Rabbis have called for the death of everyone in Gaza, women, children, everyone. That's far more shocking to me, calling for the death of innocent vulnerable people, than calling for the death of your enemies leaders who killed your leader and threatened the lives of everyone in your country. Should religious clerics be blood thirsty and calling for deaths, no. Is it a shocking new thing, also no.

Netanyahu uses religion when talking about killing Palestinians, his wonderful Amalek speech for example. He is open about the fact that Gaza is a 'spiritual mission' for him and his connection to the idea of a 'Greater Israel' which is deeply rooted in religion.

Your arguments for selective outrage aren't really holding water.