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Iranian clerics call for assassination of Trump and Netanyahu

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Twiglets1 · 30/06/2026 20:42

Article in The Telegraph reports that Iran’s most senior clerics have called for the assassination of Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu.

In a 10-point statement, the Assembly of Experts said the killing of “the criminal American president” and “the wicked prime minister of the Zionist regime” was a religious duty.

Assassinating the two leaders – whom they described as mahdour al-dam, or deserving of death – “must not be neglected under any circumstances”.

In their call for Mr Trump and Mr Netanyahu to be assassinated, the clerics wrote that avenging the blood of Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader who was killed on the first day of the war, remained “paramount”.

“It is obligatory upon any duty-bound person who gains access to these criminals to send them to hell,” they added.

The language read like a religious edict but stopped short of a formal fatwa, which in Shia Islam is issued by an individual cleric in his own name rather than by a group.

The Assembly of Experts is an 88-member body of clerics constitutionally tasked with choosing and supervising the supreme leader.

The statement shows how fractured the establishment has become.

Only about 63 of the body’s members signed it, and the Assembly’s secretariat distanced itself hours later.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/06/30/iranian-clerics-call-for-trump-assassination/

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JadeHare · 01/07/2026 20:48

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 20:43

I didn't say that his threats aren't worth listening to.

I said his threat that "a whole civilisation will die tonight" is in the past and didn't happen so can be classified as just Trump being Trump whereas the religious edict has just happened so seems a current not past threat.

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Or just TACO. Daft threat to make though.

JadeHare · 01/07/2026 20:47

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 20:46

Please keep it civil @JadeHare I'm allowed to have an opinion on Iranian religious leaders calling for assassinations and if you're ok with that, sorry but I'm not.

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I was perfectly civil.

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Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 20:46

JadeHare · 01/07/2026 20:40

Is the issue here is really that it is religious clerics who have called for the death of Donald and Bibi, or just that it’s Iran?

Please keep it civil @JadeHare I'm allowed to have an opinion on Iranian religious leaders calling for assassinations and if you're ok with that, sorry but I'm not.

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Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 20:43

CagedBirdInACage · 01/07/2026 20:25

It's hardly true to say that threats from Trump(or his frenemy Netanyahu) are always idle is it yet you don't think his threats are worth listening to.

Again your arguments for why we should have selective outrage about this just aren't stacking up. It's almost like you are holding Iranians to a higher standard and exceptionalising them, where have I heard arguments against that type of behaviour from 🤔

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I didn't say that his threats aren't worth listening to.

I said his threat that "a whole civilisation will die tonight" is in the past and didn't happen so can be classified as just Trump being Trump whereas the religious edict has just happened so seems a current not past threat.

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JadeHare · 01/07/2026 20:40

Is the issue here is really that it is religious clerics who have called for the death of Donald and Bibi, or just that it’s Iran?

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CagedBirdInACage · 01/07/2026 20:25

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 20:18

You say these extremist clerics often make idle threats but the clerics wouldn't be the ones doing the assassinations. It would be Islamic extremists answering their call and it's not true to say the threats from Islamic extremists are always idle.

Nothing has happened yet but a fatwa (which this would be called if it came from an individual not a group) can lasts years. It is likely that there will be further assassination attempts on Trump in the future, and possibly as a result of this edict. I don't think it's a non issue but if you do then ok, that's your opinion.

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It's hardly true to say that threats from Trump(or his frenemy Netanyahu) are always idle is it yet you don't think his threats are worth listening to.

Again your arguments for why we should have selective outrage about this just aren't stacking up. It's almost like you are holding Iranians to a higher standard and exceptionalising them, where have I heard arguments against that type of behaviour from 🤔

pikkumyy77 · 01/07/2026 20:25

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 06:31

Do you agree then with assassinations of other world leaders that have done things many consider criminal? There will be quite a few of them. Putin for one but many others of course.

What if Trump decided to assassinate world leaders he considers to be criminal?

Would people be saying, to be fair .... or would they be saying who does he think he is to call for the assassination of other countries leaders?

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Have you missed the fact that Trump literally killed the top Iranian leader and had the President of Venezuela kidnapped and deposed?

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Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 20:22

Also @CagedBirdInACage yes you are correct that I am criticising the religious clerics not of course the whole of Iran.

You say you doubt that "anyone cares" about that but if so, why come onto the thread at all? The title makes it clear what the thread is about.

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Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 20:18

CagedBirdInACage · 01/07/2026 19:49

I really don't think anyone cares if you criticise a few religious clerics(surely it's them that you are criticising here not the whole of Iran).

To quote you 'No we don't need to take that seriously because it didn't happen and Trump does make a huge amount of idle threats so we know.' it's exactly the same situation here, it hasn't happened and these extremist clerics often make idle threats. It's a complete non issue, that's why people are talking about other things, like threats that have actually happened that barely seemed to raise an eyebrow on some because what is there to say on this really? Nothing has happened, a few men said a few things 😱😱

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You say these extremist clerics often make idle threats but the clerics wouldn't be the ones doing the assassinations. It would be Islamic extremists answering their call and it's not true to say the threats from Islamic extremists are always idle.

Nothing has happened yet but a fatwa (which this would be called if it came from an individual not a group) can lasts years. It is likely that there will be further assassination attempts on Trump in the future, and possibly as a result of this edict. I don't think it's a non issue but if you do then ok, that's your opinion.

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CagedBirdInACage · 01/07/2026 19:49

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 18:12

It has descended into an Israel bashing thread. We're not even talking about the Iranian clerics anymore just the usual bickering and attempts to move the focus from ever criticising Iran to ... just more about Israel and also the US.

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I really don't think anyone cares if you criticise a few religious clerics(surely it's them that you are criticising here not the whole of Iran).

To quote you 'No we don't need to take that seriously because it didn't happen and Trump does make a huge amount of idle threats so we know.' it's exactly the same situation here, it hasn't happened and these extremist clerics often make idle threats. It's a complete non issue, that's why people are talking about other things, like threats that have actually happened that barely seemed to raise an eyebrow on some because what is there to say on this really? Nothing has happened, a few men said a few things 😱😱

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Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 19:44

Secretseverywhere · 01/07/2026 19:40

I think your a bit naive if you honestly believe it’s an internal problem for Iran rather than a deliberate strategy. They need to placate the hardliners within the terrorist organisations they fund and support whilst negotiating to normalise relations with the U.S.

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And I think you're being a bit naïve if you don't think it's an internal problem for Iran. We will have to agree to disagree on that.

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Secretseverywhere · 01/07/2026 19:40

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 19:23

Am I worrying just because I started a thread on MN to discuss it? No.

What did you expect Trump to do, cry over it? His security will already be at the maximum as will Netanyahu's. It's the clerics who are named who might want to consider extra security for the rest of their lives.

What this shows is how the Iranian negotiators are saying one thing - trying to achieve a peace plan - while the hardliners are very open about not wanting peace at all. That's an internal problem for Iran.

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I think your a bit naive if you honestly believe it’s an internal problem for Iran rather than a deliberate strategy. They need to placate the hardliners within the terrorist organisations they fund and support whilst negotiating to normalise relations with the U.S.

Tigerbalmshark · 01/07/2026 19:36

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 19:27

This has been discussed and it's not all Iranians who want retribution it's the hardliners who just want more fighting and everlasting wars apparently.

Do Iran want peace and to get their sanctions lifted/funds and assets unfrozen or not? If they do then the religious clerics need to shut up about assassinations.

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If your dad had recently been assassinated you probably wouldn’t be thinking of the bigger picture would you?

Anyway the Iranian negotiators seem to be running rings around Trump at the moment so they likely don’t think they have much at risk.

JadeHare · 01/07/2026 19:31

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 19:29

You're just proving your own obsession at this point.

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Gosh. What an amazing assumption. I’m not obsessed. Just like both sides of the story.

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Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 19:29

JadeHare · 01/07/2026 19:24

As it is for (whisper) Israel.

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You're just proving your own obsession at this point.

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Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 19:27

Tigerbalmshark · 01/07/2026 19:15

Trump and Netanyahu assassinated the Iranian supreme leader six months ago. Is it any surprise the Iranians want retribution? Especially as the current supreme leader is his son.

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This has been discussed and it's not all Iranians who want retribution it's the hardliners who just want more fighting and everlasting wars apparently.

Do Iran want peace and to get their sanctions lifted/funds and assets unfrozen or not? If they do then the religious clerics need to shut up about assassinations.

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JadeHare · 01/07/2026 19:24

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 19:23

Am I worrying just because I started a thread on MN to discuss it? No.

What did you expect Trump to do, cry over it? His security will already be at the maximum as will Netanyahu's. It's the clerics who are named who might want to consider extra security for the rest of their lives.

What this shows is how the Iranian negotiators are saying one thing - trying to achieve a peace plan - while the hardliners are very open about not wanting peace at all. That's an internal problem for Iran.

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As it is for (whisper) Israel.

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Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 19:23

JadeHare · 01/07/2026 19:13

Well don’t worry Twigs. Donald seems to be taking it all in his stride. Or maybe no one told him. From Reuters a few hours ago:

"We're getting along very well," Trump said, adding Iran has "come a long way."
"I think they're fine," the president added.

Am I worrying just because I started a thread on MN to discuss it? No.

What did you expect Trump to do, cry over it? His security will already be at the maximum as will Netanyahu's. It's the clerics who are named who might want to consider extra security for the rest of their lives.

What this shows is how the Iranian negotiators are saying one thing - trying to achieve a peace plan - while the hardliners are very open about not wanting peace at all. That's an internal problem for Iran.

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Tigerbalmshark · 01/07/2026 19:15

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 06:31

Do you agree then with assassinations of other world leaders that have done things many consider criminal? There will be quite a few of them. Putin for one but many others of course.

What if Trump decided to assassinate world leaders he considers to be criminal?

Would people be saying, to be fair .... or would they be saying who does he think he is to call for the assassination of other countries leaders?

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Trump and Netanyahu assassinated the Iranian supreme leader six months ago. Is it any surprise the Iranians want retribution? Especially as the current supreme leader is his son.

Secretseverywhere · 01/07/2026 19:14

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 18:24

Risky for both those that did sign it and those that didn't, I agree.

They should have stuck to discussing religious matters.

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Religious matters like their obligation to end the Jewish state as an illegitimate usurpation of sacred Islamic lands?

It’s impossible really to look at the declaration without context. It’s the thin end of the wedge if you consider some of the slogans of the terrorist organisations they fund as part of the Iran axis.

JadeHare · 01/07/2026 19:13

Well don’t worry Twigs. Donald seems to be taking it all in his stride. Or maybe no one told him. From Reuters a few hours ago:

"We're getting along very well," Trump said, adding Iran has "come a long way."
"I think they're fine," the president added.

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Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 19:11

MissyB1 · 01/07/2026 19:05

It says something about the leaders of Israel and U.S that so many people wouldn’t mourn their passing though don’t you think? And yet you seem most put out by that! When Trump phoned Netanyahu and told him “everybody hates you” I thought well yes true but everybody hates you too! Well apart from you Twiglets obviously 😂
Bottom line is that if those two egotistical maniacs and Putin all dropped dead tomorrow, I suspect the whole world would breathe a sigh of relief.

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I'm not "put out" by people not mourning the passing of 2 marmite leaders, no. I've already said I don't think I would shed a tear for any world leader and I prefer the more moderate ones tbh.

This thread is about assassinations ordered by religious clerics though. That is something I find worthy of discussing.

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MissyB1 · 01/07/2026 19:05

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 17:43

They don't seem to give a shit do they? The US and Israel are enemies not allies to many on this board and you see that across every thread.

You get a wider range of views on other boards so I'm guessing you don't come to this Conflict in the Middle East one very often.

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It says something about the leaders of Israel and U.S that so many people wouldn’t mourn their passing though don’t you think? And yet you seem most put out by that! When Trump phoned Netanyahu and told him “everybody hates you” I thought well yes true but everybody hates you too! Well apart from you Twiglets obviously 😂
Bottom line is that if those two egotistical maniacs and Putin all dropped dead tomorrow, I suspect the whole world would breathe a sigh of relief.

SharonEllis · 01/07/2026 18:58

RedTagAlan · 01/07/2026 15:08

I was trying to think earlier of wars that did not include a religious element, and there are not that many.

In fact, I am reading a series of articles on Scottish history just now, and what a bloodthirsty lot. Pretty much religion in it all the way.

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Depends what you mean by a religious element. Being religious is a common human trait but most wars are not caused by religion - first and second world wars, Crimea, Korea, Vietnam, Russian Revolution, Rwanda, Iran/Iraq, Franco-Prussian, Biafra, American Civil War, Anglo- Dutch just off the top of my head.