Iranian clerics call for assassination of Trump and Netanyahu

Well let’s hope the good old US of A has yanked Israel’s chain hard enough to prevent any more assassinations at this funeral. Because negotiations will be well and truly off the table if Israel murder anyone else.

Posts like this do confuse me. Because what do you mean by liberal here ?

Because in political terms, so far as I can make out, liberals cover everyone as per liberal democracy. Surely the opposite of liberal is in the authoritarian/theocracy/dictatorship group.

That is my understanding of it anyway. Happy to be corrected. Political terms do tend to get muddled up.

Well, this is why what the clerics said is important I think. Does anyone have the document they issued, translated.

Because if they said " We approve the killing of A and B because of XYZ and said they will kill us", then what A and B say are totally valid to the discussion.

If I threatened to kill someone and the cops turned up at my door, any backstory would matter. If they had already killed my family and were threatening to kill everyone else and burn my house down, the cops (and the beak) might take that into account.

Would you not agree ?

But this is ok is it? Because it’s just Israel planning the assassinations? Not Clerics.

Am I missing something? Where has anybody said that this is ok?

There’s nothing very holy about anyone in this stupid war, no.

But this is ok is it? Because it’s just Israel planning the assassinations? Not Clerics.

“Senior U.S. officials feared that Israel intended to assassinate Iran’s top negotiators as the Trump administration pursued a high-stakes deal to end the war there and reopen the Strait of Hormuz, current and former officials familiar with the matter said.
Washington’s objection to killing Abbas Araghchi, Iran’s foreign minister, and Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, the country’s parliamentary speaker, was so acute that this spring it took the extraordinary step of asking intermediaries to warn Iran about Israel’s assassination aims, the officials said.
“You kill those folks and you’re killing the pragmatists,” said a U.S. official, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the U.S. outlook on Israel’s targeted killing campaign.”

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How so? Which country has killed who? Do you think it’s ok for another country to go in and kill another countries leader? Clearly you do. And yet here you are saying that Clerics shouldn’t do this. Double standards much?

Who’s been mourning him on this thread? I don’t think any sane person would mourn the Iranian regime leaders

Of course leaders shouldn’t be calling for assassinations nor extra judicial killings. That it’s a religious leader is remarkable, but so is targeted killing by a democratic state allied to the West. It’s something we expect from Russia or other authoritarian states. It’s illegal.

For a religious state, a cleric also has a clear leadership role. It’s not whataboutery to make a comparison as to how leaders of different types of states act and what they say.

Imagine how uniquely horrifying the Iranian clerics call to assassinate others would be if it didn’t occur in a world were Iranian leadership has itself been assassinated, alongside Iranian scientists etc. by Israel.

Iran seems to exist in a region where assassination of prominent people by other countries seem to be part of doing business. It not unreasonable to draw attention to this, particularly given recent events.

For the Iranian clerics - this may have a religious basis. Reminds me of the religious tone of some of the violent rhetoric against Gazans by some Israeli leaders, including Rabbis.

This will also be sidelined as whataboutery by those not wanting to hear uncomfortable truths.

Liberals shed more tears over tyrants being killed. I can't even begin to imagine mourning the assassination of a man who orders women to be stoned to death.

I couldn’t agree more.

I’ve just had an image of the Archbishop of Canterbury calling for the CofE faithful to hunt down Putin and murder him. it was so far away from what she would ever do or say, that it was actually amusing.

I wouldn’t defend either of them, myself.

My point is that they didn’t need defending. It wasn’t them (this time) committing the egregious act. The Iranian clerics shouldn’t be calling for their murder no matter what they’ve done. Apart from anything else, why on earth are they egging their faithful on to carrying out such a heinous crime?

do you really think nobody would mention why the con is in jail ?

I agree 100% with you that people would mention that, for sure. You can’t expect to come across nobody who disagrees with you in life. Equally, though, I wouldn’t agree that the con should be murdered summarily by a fellow prisoner, regardless of what they had done.

It came across as touchy to me 🤷‍♀️

👍 I’ll consider adjusting my expectations of readers.

The POTUS and the Prime Minister of Israel shouldn’t commit murder either. But here we are.

Or did these men of power not use their power cynically? Honestly, it doesn’t make sense.

I don’t think anyone reading this thread will think I have lost my mind. I hope they will see the double standards that you are trying to apply. Clerics, men of the cloth, shouldn’t promote murder. The POTUS, and Benjamin Netanyahu, who have committed murder, totally absolved. It makes no sense.

I get your point. Doubt Donald could recite the Lord’s Prayer to be honest.

They use religion non stop.

Edit. In my above post where I referenced the above post, did not mean yours of course.

Religion is used in this day and age to call for people to be killed. It is far from unique to Iranian clerics. See my posts above re US evangelicals calling for gays to be killed by the Government. They made that come true in Uganda too.

The above post is justification for whataboutism being valid on this subject. Because if the above poster is suggesting that what a cleric of one religion says means ALL of that religion is tarnished, then surely that logic holds for all religions?

I don't see anyone saying The King should not do his Church thing because a Christian leader says gays should be executed.