Discussion of the 26 June Gaza protest calling for self-rule

What I said was I've never seen Dairy accusing anyone of being racist for speaking out for Palestinians. That was your accusation.

They may have accused people of being antisemitic which is a form of racism, I don't know.

How is the 60% occupation relevant to Gazans protesting against Hamas?

@dairydebris I was only pointing out to twiglets that my experience of you was different to theirs so it was in her opinion not fact as they had presented it. I do take issue with being called racist which you did do to me and others whether @Twiglets1 believes it or not.

@Twiglets1 and @IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken my posts referencing Israel were relevant to the discussion in the thread whether you like it or not I dirld not shoehorn them in. Considering Israel are currently occupying 60% of Gaza means they are very relevant in any discussion about Gaza.

So brave. At the very least the mainstream media could acknowledge the bravery by widely reporting it to raise awareness so it wasn't for nothing. Each protestor was risking a lot to be heard.

The focus on Israel even on a thread about protests in Gaza against Hamas is noticeable, yes.

There are dozens of existing threads to criticise Israel, even ones dedicated to it. We don't need to keep rehashing things everyone already knows about like the lack of international journalists in Gaza. That is mentioned on this board way more than the IRGC imposing a complete internet black out in Iran! Let alone inviting international journalists into Iran to get a good look at what is going on there.

Bloody hell they are brave and they can see for themselves they are just disposable pawns.

So what - it is a nasty little corner of MN. What do you think - it's a place people come to chat about nice things and everyone's lovely & polite?

Never seen Dairy accusing anyone of being racist for speaking out for Palestinians. Don't believe she would do that as she has never indicated having anything against ordinary Palestinians, only Hamas.

She may have observed some comments were antisemitic, I don't know.

That is feasible to me because there have been many posts deleted on this board for being antisemitic.

But you appear to have missed this post from me @Boolabus

Did you miss my admission that wording was bad?

Video showing hundreds in Gaza seen protesting Hamas for the first time in a year.

Protestors carried signs saying God Willing Hamas Out, We are not Pawns, and We want to Live.

Source: Times of Israel.

We are all "struggling to hear the Palestinian voices in Gaza"
Not everything has to come back to a criticism of Israel!
The main reason, in my opinion, that we are not hearing or seeing ordinary Palestinians in Gazas because of banned access to international media and murdered domestic journalists so I will stand by that.

This thread is about what Hamas are doing with regard to the 26th June planned protests not about subjects that have already been covered endless times such as the lack of international journalists in Gaza.
I was responding to a post with my view when a poster was wondering why they couldn't hear from ordinary Palestinians so completely relevant to this thread.

Yes in my opinion they post in a thoughtful way and like they are more interested in discussing the issues than point scoring.
They have referred to these threads as a nasty little corner of mn and accused posters, including me, of being racist for speaking out for Palestinians so I don't agree with you. Let's leave it there we are looking at things through a different lens

I haven’t attacked you any more than you have attacked others.

It doesn't mean that Hamas "tolerated them" because they lasted a number of days.

Would you say that the IRGC "tolerated" the protests in Iran by their citizens because they lasted a number of days, despite thousands of people getting murdered in that time?

Yes in my opinion they post in a thoughtful way and like they are more interested in discussing the issues than point scoring.

We are all "struggling to hear the Palestinian voices in Gaza" on this issue because they are too scared to say much or to reveal their identities when they do speak out. Because of the horrible things that Hamas would likely do to them or their families.

Not everything has to come back to a criticism of Israel! This thread is about what Hamas are doing with regard to the 26th June planned protests not about subjects that have already been covered endless times such as the lack of international journalists in Gaza.

I agree wording was bad the bbc article I posted spoke of protests lasting a number of days which is what I meant by tolerated. I had already acknowledged that they were vulnerable to being killed by Israel, Hamas and armed militia.

@Boolabus I am not minimising anything Hamas do or have ever done

Please explain then why you made the comment that "Protests have already happened last year so there does seem to be some dissent being tolerated".

How do you get from Palestinians being murdered by Hamas last year for protesting that there does seem to be some dissent being tolerated?

It has been mentioned several times on this thread why it is so difficult for Palestinians in Gaza to protest.
That's not what I was referring to. I was talking about why dairydebris was struggling to hear the Palestinian voices in Gaza and pointing out that it was because over 200 journalists have been murdered many more imprisoned and tortured in Israeli prisons and no international press allowed in.

they are posting in a thoughtful way as they always do in* *your opinion

I simply do not understand why anyone would minimise the fact that Hamas murder civilians just for protesting, as do the IRGC also murder civilians for protesting.
I am not minimising anything Hamas do or have ever done

You should be outraged by this as you say you support everyone's right to protest, but instead you are downplaying it by choosing to focus on some dissent is tolerated.
Don't tell me what I should be. I am not downplaying I am unclear what is going on as everyone else seems to be. I have been clear in my very first post on this thread about my view on this

I think it demonstrates the rock and the hard place the majority of innocent Palestinian civilians in Gaza are in

I cannot imagine how desperate these people are with no one to turn to they can trust and that can advocate for them.

My opinion has not changed since 2.45pm yesterday

Hamas arrests so-called 'Israeli collaborators'

According to a Kan report, this past week, Hamas announced through affiliated media outlets that its operatives had arrested groups and individuals “collaborating with Israel” throughout the Strip, noting that some of these activists are expected to face execution.

A Gaza social activist indicated that this was not coincidental but rather intended to prevent the protests from occurring. “Hamas is attempting to intimidate opponents on social media. They publish photos of activists suspected of collaborating with Israel and then arrest, torture, and execute them to instill fear in others.”

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-900645

I am. Point out where I haven't been? I have engaged with the topic and been honest and sincere with my answers. The only posts you have made on this thread have been to attack me