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Discussion of the 26 June Gaza protest calling for self-rule

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dairydebris · 26/06/2026 12:28

This is a thread for us to discuss the planned June 26 protest by Gazan Palestinians- the aim of which is to pressure Hamas to honour the ceasefire agreement and allow Gazans self rule.

Brave people who take part.

Watching and wishing them safety and hoping they can suceed.

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Twiglets1 · 05/07/2026 15:55

Martymcfly24 · 05/07/2026 15:19

How do you think that would look practically?

Do you think Hamas would care about people protesting in a foreign country against them?

The irony ... plenty of people think that pro Palestinian protests will help the situation in Gaza, despite it seems to have achieved fuck all.

Yet when the potential people protesting in a foreign country are anti Hamas rather than anti the Israel government you suddenly see that it's pretty pointless.

Martymcfly24 · 05/07/2026 15:19

ENGLANDalltheway · 05/07/2026 15:12

Interesting.

Shame that people away from Gaza don't protest more for Hamas to go. The situation will just continue then, with hardly any improvement.

How do you think that would look practically?

Do you think Hamas would care about people protesting in a foreign country against them?

ENGLANDalltheway · 05/07/2026 15:12

Twiglets1 · 30/06/2026 16:43

Protests, revolution in Strip cannot succeed while Hamas remains in control, Gazans tell 'Post'

“No one can imagine the level of fear and intimidation Hamas has instilled in people’s hearts since its foundation in 1987,” said one Palestinian from Gaza City.

“People are simply too afraid to protest, even now after all what they’ve been through,” he told The Jerusalem Post. “This is because Hamas is still here, controlling people’s lives, and nobody can say a word,” he said.

There was widespread anticipation about whether the demonstrations, set for 4 p.m., would attract local residents, but it soon became clear that the June 26 protest failed, as almost no one showed up.

“It ended in failure because there was a lot of pressure on people to keep silent,” said the Gaza resident, speaking anonymously, out of fear of reprisal. “Anyone who even considered joining the rallies refrained from doing so, as participants were labeled traitors and agents of anarchy.”

“It’s very hard to explain the scale of the security, political and social control that Hamas asserts,” he noted. “For example, social and trade associations, such as the chamber of commerce and the industry unions, are in one way or another operating under Hamas’s oversight and are subject to its authority. That means they cannot say or do what they want,” he charged.

The protest movement, described as the "June 26 revolution," was organized mainly by social and political activists, social media influencers, and some Palestinian journalists living abroad, most of them based in Egypt. It was launched primarily through social media platforms, with frequent announcements, posts, and videos criticizing Hamas’s rule and urging Gazans to go out and voice opposition to the grave humanitarian conditions and continued Hamas control.

The anti-Hamas campaign leaders encouraged Gazans in the Strip to demand their rights, insisting that “change will come from the people themselves.” A prominent figure pushing the protest, Abed al-Hamid Abed al-Ati, told the Post in an interview prior to June 26 that “the aim was to give hope to Gazans and show them a path to dignity and normal life, as no one else is stepping in.”

Hamas closely monitored the activists’ plans and, from the outset, sought to suppress the movement. Some protest organizers received messages from Hamas conveyed through their family members in the Strip, demanding that they withdraw from the campaign. Other relatives were threatened with death, Palestinian sources said.

Hamas also made extensive efforts to curb the "June 26 campaign" through public denunciations and shaming of the movement and its supporters. The terror group accused protest leaders and activists of being backed by Israel, a claim they denied, and worked to discredit them in the media.

Another factor that some Palestinians argue contributed to the protest’s failure was the reaction to the campaign in Israel ahead of Friday’s events. One Palestinian figure involved in organizing the protest explained to the Post that when Israeli media outlets and public figures began to circulate the campaign messages and endorse the idea promoted by it, with some even encouraging Gazans to rise up against Hamas, it did more harm than good.

He said that it helped Hamas embolden its narrative that “the protest is pushed by the Zionist enemy that wants to destroy Gaza and the Palestinian people.”

Another Palestinian resident mentioned the video posted by the Israeli Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter, a day before the planned demonstration, noting, “He (the minister) believes his words were against Hamas, but unfortunately, his message served Hamas.”

Dichter, who formerly served as head of the Shin Bet, addressed the people in Gaza in Arabic, encouraging them to protest Hamas’s regime. “You are in the worst situation ever. How much longer will this gang of thugs from Hamas control you?” Dichter said in the video. “The fear of them has paralyzed you, even from thinking. Wake up- take responsibility for your life and your children’s future.”

The Palestinian resident argued that this gave Hamas a pretext to further delegitimize the protest movement by portraying it as an Israeli-backed effort to undermine the Palestinian cause. “Anyone who responds to a call coming from the Israeli side is seen as committing treason, even if the action serves our own interests. That’s the way of thinking,” he explained.

In addition, a legal Islamic ruling, amounting to a fatwa, was issued as a means of intimidation to prevent the rallies. An organization calling itself "Palestine Scholars Authority," based in Turkey, released an announcement, stating “it is forbidden for believers to call for or participate in it.” The ruling described the protest as “a criminal act of betrayal of Allah and an assistance to the occupation and its goals.”

www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-900920

Interesting.

Shame that people away from Gaza don't protest more for Hamas to go. The situation will just continue then, with hardly any improvement.

Twiglets1 · 30/06/2026 18:56

dairydebris · 30/06/2026 18:01

Thanks Twigs- I'd given up on this.
Depressing update with yet more attempting to use Palestinians for whatever agenda both parties are attempting to push.
Xx

That's ok x

I thought you would be interested even though it isn't positive but still, it does throw some light on the subject.

dairydebris · 30/06/2026 18:01

Twiglets1 · 30/06/2026 16:43

Protests, revolution in Strip cannot succeed while Hamas remains in control, Gazans tell 'Post'

“No one can imagine the level of fear and intimidation Hamas has instilled in people’s hearts since its foundation in 1987,” said one Palestinian from Gaza City.

“People are simply too afraid to protest, even now after all what they’ve been through,” he told The Jerusalem Post. “This is because Hamas is still here, controlling people’s lives, and nobody can say a word,” he said.

There was widespread anticipation about whether the demonstrations, set for 4 p.m., would attract local residents, but it soon became clear that the June 26 protest failed, as almost no one showed up.

“It ended in failure because there was a lot of pressure on people to keep silent,” said the Gaza resident, speaking anonymously, out of fear of reprisal. “Anyone who even considered joining the rallies refrained from doing so, as participants were labeled traitors and agents of anarchy.”

“It’s very hard to explain the scale of the security, political and social control that Hamas asserts,” he noted. “For example, social and trade associations, such as the chamber of commerce and the industry unions, are in one way or another operating under Hamas’s oversight and are subject to its authority. That means they cannot say or do what they want,” he charged.

The protest movement, described as the "June 26 revolution," was organized mainly by social and political activists, social media influencers, and some Palestinian journalists living abroad, most of them based in Egypt. It was launched primarily through social media platforms, with frequent announcements, posts, and videos criticizing Hamas’s rule and urging Gazans to go out and voice opposition to the grave humanitarian conditions and continued Hamas control.

The anti-Hamas campaign leaders encouraged Gazans in the Strip to demand their rights, insisting that “change will come from the people themselves.” A prominent figure pushing the protest, Abed al-Hamid Abed al-Ati, told the Post in an interview prior to June 26 that “the aim was to give hope to Gazans and show them a path to dignity and normal life, as no one else is stepping in.”

Hamas closely monitored the activists’ plans and, from the outset, sought to suppress the movement. Some protest organizers received messages from Hamas conveyed through their family members in the Strip, demanding that they withdraw from the campaign. Other relatives were threatened with death, Palestinian sources said.

Hamas also made extensive efforts to curb the "June 26 campaign" through public denunciations and shaming of the movement and its supporters. The terror group accused protest leaders and activists of being backed by Israel, a claim they denied, and worked to discredit them in the media.

Another factor that some Palestinians argue contributed to the protest’s failure was the reaction to the campaign in Israel ahead of Friday’s events. One Palestinian figure involved in organizing the protest explained to the Post that when Israeli media outlets and public figures began to circulate the campaign messages and endorse the idea promoted by it, with some even encouraging Gazans to rise up against Hamas, it did more harm than good.

He said that it helped Hamas embolden its narrative that “the protest is pushed by the Zionist enemy that wants to destroy Gaza and the Palestinian people.”

Another Palestinian resident mentioned the video posted by the Israeli Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter, a day before the planned demonstration, noting, “He (the minister) believes his words were against Hamas, but unfortunately, his message served Hamas.”

Dichter, who formerly served as head of the Shin Bet, addressed the people in Gaza in Arabic, encouraging them to protest Hamas’s regime. “You are in the worst situation ever. How much longer will this gang of thugs from Hamas control you?” Dichter said in the video. “The fear of them has paralyzed you, even from thinking. Wake up- take responsibility for your life and your children’s future.”

The Palestinian resident argued that this gave Hamas a pretext to further delegitimize the protest movement by portraying it as an Israeli-backed effort to undermine the Palestinian cause. “Anyone who responds to a call coming from the Israeli side is seen as committing treason, even if the action serves our own interests. That’s the way of thinking,” he explained.

In addition, a legal Islamic ruling, amounting to a fatwa, was issued as a means of intimidation to prevent the rallies. An organization calling itself "Palestine Scholars Authority," based in Turkey, released an announcement, stating “it is forbidden for believers to call for or participate in it.” The ruling described the protest as “a criminal act of betrayal of Allah and an assistance to the occupation and its goals.”

www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-900920

Thanks Twigs- I'd given up on this.
Depressing update with yet more attempting to use Palestinians for whatever agenda both parties are attempting to push.
Xx

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Twiglets1 · 30/06/2026 16:43

Protests, revolution in Strip cannot succeed while Hamas remains in control, Gazans tell 'Post'

“No one can imagine the level of fear and intimidation Hamas has instilled in people’s hearts since its foundation in 1987,” said one Palestinian from Gaza City.

“People are simply too afraid to protest, even now after all what they’ve been through,” he told The Jerusalem Post. “This is because Hamas is still here, controlling people’s lives, and nobody can say a word,” he said.

There was widespread anticipation about whether the demonstrations, set for 4 p.m., would attract local residents, but it soon became clear that the June 26 protest failed, as almost no one showed up.

“It ended in failure because there was a lot of pressure on people to keep silent,” said the Gaza resident, speaking anonymously, out of fear of reprisal. “Anyone who even considered joining the rallies refrained from doing so, as participants were labeled traitors and agents of anarchy.”

“It’s very hard to explain the scale of the security, political and social control that Hamas asserts,” he noted. “For example, social and trade associations, such as the chamber of commerce and the industry unions, are in one way or another operating under Hamas’s oversight and are subject to its authority. That means they cannot say or do what they want,” he charged.

The protest movement, described as the "June 26 revolution," was organized mainly by social and political activists, social media influencers, and some Palestinian journalists living abroad, most of them based in Egypt. It was launched primarily through social media platforms, with frequent announcements, posts, and videos criticizing Hamas’s rule and urging Gazans to go out and voice opposition to the grave humanitarian conditions and continued Hamas control.

The anti-Hamas campaign leaders encouraged Gazans in the Strip to demand their rights, insisting that “change will come from the people themselves.” A prominent figure pushing the protest, Abed al-Hamid Abed al-Ati, told the Post in an interview prior to June 26 that “the aim was to give hope to Gazans and show them a path to dignity and normal life, as no one else is stepping in.”

Hamas closely monitored the activists’ plans and, from the outset, sought to suppress the movement. Some protest organizers received messages from Hamas conveyed through their family members in the Strip, demanding that they withdraw from the campaign. Other relatives were threatened with death, Palestinian sources said.

Hamas also made extensive efforts to curb the "June 26 campaign" through public denunciations and shaming of the movement and its supporters. The terror group accused protest leaders and activists of being backed by Israel, a claim they denied, and worked to discredit them in the media.

Another factor that some Palestinians argue contributed to the protest’s failure was the reaction to the campaign in Israel ahead of Friday’s events. One Palestinian figure involved in organizing the protest explained to the Post that when Israeli media outlets and public figures began to circulate the campaign messages and endorse the idea promoted by it, with some even encouraging Gazans to rise up against Hamas, it did more harm than good.

He said that it helped Hamas embolden its narrative that “the protest is pushed by the Zionist enemy that wants to destroy Gaza and the Palestinian people.”

Another Palestinian resident mentioned the video posted by the Israeli Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter, a day before the planned demonstration, noting, “He (the minister) believes his words were against Hamas, but unfortunately, his message served Hamas.”

Dichter, who formerly served as head of the Shin Bet, addressed the people in Gaza in Arabic, encouraging them to protest Hamas’s regime. “You are in the worst situation ever. How much longer will this gang of thugs from Hamas control you?” Dichter said in the video. “The fear of them has paralyzed you, even from thinking. Wake up- take responsibility for your life and your children’s future.”

The Palestinian resident argued that this gave Hamas a pretext to further delegitimize the protest movement by portraying it as an Israeli-backed effort to undermine the Palestinian cause. “Anyone who responds to a call coming from the Israeli side is seen as committing treason, even if the action serves our own interests. That’s the way of thinking,” he explained.

In addition, a legal Islamic ruling, amounting to a fatwa, was issued as a means of intimidation to prevent the rallies. An organization calling itself "Palestine Scholars Authority," based in Turkey, released an announcement, stating “it is forbidden for believers to call for or participate in it.” The ruling described the protest as “a criminal act of betrayal of Allah and an assistance to the occupation and its goals.”

www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-900920

Twiglets1 · 29/06/2026 11:07

ENGLANDalltheway · 29/06/2026 10:53

Hamas have been offered 2 states before and turned it down.

I know.

Neither side want it at the moment. Netanyahu won’t be in power forever so the stance may change on the Israel side but will it ever change on the Hamas side?

ENGLANDalltheway · 29/06/2026 10:53

Twiglets1 · 29/06/2026 10:24

It’s chicken and egg because there won’t be 2 states while Hamas are there but Hamas won’t leave because there aren’t 2 states.

Which means I can see it never moving forward. Or perhaps it’s better to say, not for the foreseeable future.

Hamas have been offered 2 states before and turned it down.

RedTagAlan · 29/06/2026 10:44

A reminder of what Netanyahu says about 2 states:

'There will be no Palestinian state': Netanyahu signs plan for E1 settlement expansion | The Times of Israel

Granted, this is about the West Bank and not Gaza. It was the first result. Here is another result from the same page.

Netanyahu responds: There will be no Palestinian state, we will respond soon | Israel National News

Netanyahu responds: There will be no Palestinian state, we will respond soon
PM Netanyahu blasted the UK, Australia, and Canada for recognizing a Palestinian state, vowing it 'will not be created west of the Jordan' and pledging to strengthen Judea and Samaria.

Not a Chicken and egg. Because look :

What to know about Hamas again raising the possibility of a 2-state compromise | AP News

The Palestinian militant group Hamas has said for more than 15 years that it could accept a two-state compromise with Israel — at least, a temporary one. But Hamas has also refused to say that it would recognize Israel or renounce its armed fight against it.

On Hamas refusing to say if they would stop the fighting, well, I expect their membership and support would dwindle. Because as I said above, remove the cause and the number of fighters reduce,

For sure, there will always be a core of Hamas wanting to destroy Israel no matter what. But how many would there be with 2 states? History strongly suggests not many at all.

As @Martymcfly24 says, and I hope they don't mind me quoting:

"Poor and angry people with no hope support radical solutions. "

That statement, on the truth to untruth scale sits very firmly on the "very true" line. It's as true as the sun will rise tomorrow.

Israel National News

Netanyahu responds: There will be no Palestinian state, we will respond soon

PM Netanyahu blasted the UK, Australia, and Canada for recognizing a Palestinian state, vowing it 'will not be created west of the Jordan' and pledging to strengthen Judea and Samaria.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/415289

Twiglets1 · 29/06/2026 10:24

It’s chicken and egg because there won’t be 2 states while Hamas are there but Hamas won’t leave because there aren’t 2 states.

Which means I can see it never moving forward. Or perhaps it’s better to say, not for the foreseeable future.

RedTagAlan · 29/06/2026 10:20

Martymcfly24 · 29/06/2026 10:07

I could not agree with this more.

The occupation of Palestine has been a master class in what not to do to create support for terrorist entities. Illegal detentions, killings, economic sanctions, unfair legal practices and permits. All of this makes people poor and angry. Poor and angry people with no hope support radical solutions. .
Look at the IRA it's roots were in working class people who were angry at their unfair treatment.
The whole thing is being repeated in the West Bank. People are attacked and no judicial system will support them . Desperate people turn to groups like this whose violent means perpetuate the cycle .

For a country so full of technological advances and bright minds Israel has a blind spot with its treatment of Palestinians.

I was going to mention the IRA, but I thought I would be accused of whataboutism. But yes, there are still some factions of the IRA about, in very small numbers. I recall there was a car bomb last year, and basically all sides said "FFS, wind it in".

I stand to be corrected here but there was similar with the Maoists in Nepal. Decades of war, then they were invited into the political mainstream and the war ended.

And we can go to State level. The Vietnamese Communist who won the war. Relations now normalized.

They have to talk sooner or later. Bombs don't work.

Martymcfly24 · 29/06/2026 10:07

RedTagAlan · 29/06/2026 09:07

In that case it will never move forward.

Because kill a thousand Hamas, they will be replaced. Maybe not a thousand perhaps. We could say 950, or 1050. I am not saying killing terrorist creates more, rather it's a case of if the cause is still there, there will be people willing to pick up arms to fight for it.

The way to deal with Hamas, in my opinion, is to at least begin talking about 2 states. Do that, and that 1000 will drop anyway.

Enact a two state, and that 1000 might drop to 2 individuals.

I could not agree with this more.

The occupation of Palestine has been a master class in what not to do to create support for terrorist entities. Illegal detentions, killings, economic sanctions, unfair legal practices and permits. All of this makes people poor and angry. Poor and angry people with no hope support radical solutions. .
Look at the IRA it's roots were in working class people who were angry at their unfair treatment.
The whole thing is being repeated in the West Bank. People are attacked and no judicial system will support them . Desperate people turn to groups like this whose violent means perpetuate the cycle .

For a country so full of technological advances and bright minds Israel has a blind spot with its treatment of Palestinians.

RedTagAlan · 29/06/2026 09:07

ENGLANDalltheway · 28/06/2026 20:51

I believe that until Hamas are gone there is no moving forward 😕

In that case it will never move forward.

Because kill a thousand Hamas, they will be replaced. Maybe not a thousand perhaps. We could say 950, or 1050. I am not saying killing terrorist creates more, rather it's a case of if the cause is still there, there will be people willing to pick up arms to fight for it.

The way to deal with Hamas, in my opinion, is to at least begin talking about 2 states. Do that, and that 1000 will drop anyway.

Enact a two state, and that 1000 might drop to 2 individuals.

Boolabus · 29/06/2026 09:02

dairydebris · 28/06/2026 15:10

It's such a shame that you couldn't answer my question directly about whether or not you believe Hamas would allow international press to report freely.

Instead you've jumped straight to what you presume Gazan Palestinians would say, which is a perfect example of what I was talking about above- projecting your own voice onto Palestinian voices.

I'm increasingly coming to believe any discourse is impossible on this forum. There's seemingly zero possibility of discussing anything for posters who just wish to jump into the conversation to press the point of 'Israel bad' with no nuance or actual thought put into the issues surrounding this conflict.

Hence I ask- do you think Hamas would allow free reporting by international press? and your only answer is 'well if they could they'd say Israel Bad'.

It's really a shame as I guess it illustrates the larger problem in society... and then if we can't manage a decent discussion on here what chance do the people actually affected directly by this conflict have?

Don't worry about answering, it was rhetorical.

whether or not you believe Hamas would allow international press to report freely.
Pre Oct 7th there was independent press in Gaza and yes they were often intimidated, harassed and threatened by Hamas for reporting on certain incidents and this would likely happen again and they would, as before, report that. It is not a good enough reason to ban them. They are professional experienced journalists they have experience reporting from volatile areas, from war zones, from areas where access is restricted etc and they know how to manage, see through it and report from that. Below is the open letter that was sent last year from 130 global leaders of news and press freedom organisations calling on world leaders, governments, and international institutions to act immediately to ensure journalists from outside Gaza are given immediate, independent access to the territory. There is no good enough excuse as to why this has not happened.

Open letter from media and press freedom organisations on Gaza access
We, the undersigned, call for immediate, independent, and unrestricted international media access to Gaza and for full protection of journalists who continue to report under siege.
For 20 months, the Israeli authorities have refused to grant journalists outside of Gaza independent access to the Palestinian territory – a situation that is without precedent in modern warfare. Local journalists, those best positioned to tell the truth, face displacement and starvation. To date, nearly 200 journalists have been killed by the Israeli military. Many more have been injured and face constant threats to their lives for doing their jobs: bearing witness. This is a direct attack on press freedom and the right to information.
We understand the inherent risks in reporting from war zones. These are risks that many of our organizations have taken over decades in order to investigate, document developments as they occur, and understand the impacts of war.
At this pivotal moment, with renewed military action and efforts to resume the flow of humanitarian aid into Gaza, it is vital that Israel open Gaza’s borders for international journalists to be able to report freely and that Israel abides by its international obligations to protect journalists as civilians.
We call on world leaders, governments, and international institutions to act immediately to ensure this.

Instead you've jumped straight to what you presume Gazan Palestinians would say,
They did not do this at all you are doing a fair bit of presuming yourself here

Twiglets1 · 29/06/2026 08:07

ENGLANDalltheway · 28/06/2026 20:51

I believe that until Hamas are gone there is no moving forward 😕

Yes I agree that is so obvious but is often overlooked.

ENGLANDalltheway · 28/06/2026 21:06

dairydebris · 27/06/2026 20:55

Forgive me if its a bit philosophical, but I agree Palestinians are being treated as pawns by absolutely everyone. We all write our beliefs onto them and use them to further our own agendas- you or I or Israeli Leadership or Hamas. They are used as a tool to build hatred of Israel, they are used as an excuse for the violence of settlers with a supremacist agenda, they are used as meat to the endless grinder by Hamas idealogy, their grief is weaponised and exploited, their struggle is used by influencers to build their brands... literally no one seems to have their actual best interests at heart.
Thats why I was so interested to hear their actual voices in this protest. Their voices unfiltered through Israeli or Hamas controlled media, or direct rather than through a Facebook post pushed by someone's larger agenda.

True

ENGLANDalltheway · 28/06/2026 20:51

MushMonster · 27/06/2026 09:32

Oh, thanks for posting this!
It is only the second time I hear about Gazans protesting against Hamas and demanding peace. Being the first one during one of the "ceasefires". So brave!
This is the way forward, in my opinion. Well done to them and I hope they gather momentum and support. Wishing for a new political party to raise and end the terror. Someone whose aim is to rebuild Gaza for the Gazans, without wars and terror.
I think this is the people the international parties should support.
I hope they succeed in their quest for freedom and peace.

I believe that until Hamas are gone there is no moving forward 😕

ENGLANDalltheway · 28/06/2026 20:48

Twiglets1 · 27/06/2026 06:58

Anti-Hamas ‘revolution’ halted after brutal crackdown

Hamas launched a brutal crackdown to prevent protests calling for an end to the terror group’s rule across the Gaza Strip on Friday.

According to Gaza-born Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib, a Palestinian humanitarian activist who lives in exile in the US, the Gaza hospital that became the focus of international condemnation after a deadly explosion early in the war is now being used by Hamas as a centre for interrogating, threatening and detaining opponents.

He claimed friends had been summoned to Al Ahli Arab Hospital, also known as the Baptist Hospital, where they were questioned by Hamas security officials about suspected involvement in the demonstrations.

“They were told explicitly by al-Qassam Brigades operatives, Hamas police, and internal security officers that if they post anything supportive of the protests on Facebook or offer any help to protesters, they will be executed under ‘revolutionary conditions’ and treated as collaborators with Israel; no trial, no process, just immediate death,” he wrote on X this week.

He alleged that some were subsequently interrogated, threatened and placed under house arrest inside the hospital itself, “the same hospital that grabbed global headlines early in the war after a faulty Islamic Jihad rocket fell and caused an explosion which killed hundreds of people”.

He said: “That hospital is now a central hub for Hamas’s intelligence, militancy, and internal repression.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/06/26/anti-hamas-revolution-faces-brutal-crackdown/

"He said: “That hospital is now a central hub for Hamas’s intelligence, militancy, and internal repression.”"

Surely not. Hamas operate in hospitals. Much denied but often claimed.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 28/06/2026 16:20

dairydebris · 28/06/2026 15:10

It's such a shame that you couldn't answer my question directly about whether or not you believe Hamas would allow international press to report freely.

Instead you've jumped straight to what you presume Gazan Palestinians would say, which is a perfect example of what I was talking about above- projecting your own voice onto Palestinian voices.

I'm increasingly coming to believe any discourse is impossible on this forum. There's seemingly zero possibility of discussing anything for posters who just wish to jump into the conversation to press the point of 'Israel bad' with no nuance or actual thought put into the issues surrounding this conflict.

Hence I ask- do you think Hamas would allow free reporting by international press? and your only answer is 'well if they could they'd say Israel Bad'.

It's really a shame as I guess it illustrates the larger problem in society... and then if we can't manage a decent discussion on here what chance do the people actually affected directly by this conflict have?

Don't worry about answering, it was rhetorical.

Very well said.

RedTagAlan · 28/06/2026 15:52

dairydebris · 28/06/2026 15:10

It's such a shame that you couldn't answer my question directly about whether or not you believe Hamas would allow international press to report freely.

Instead you've jumped straight to what you presume Gazan Palestinians would say, which is a perfect example of what I was talking about above- projecting your own voice onto Palestinian voices.

I'm increasingly coming to believe any discourse is impossible on this forum. There's seemingly zero possibility of discussing anything for posters who just wish to jump into the conversation to press the point of 'Israel bad' with no nuance or actual thought put into the issues surrounding this conflict.

Hence I ask- do you think Hamas would allow free reporting by international press? and your only answer is 'well if they could they'd say Israel Bad'.

It's really a shame as I guess it illustrates the larger problem in society... and then if we can't manage a decent discussion on here what chance do the people actually affected directly by this conflict have?

Don't worry about answering, it was rhetorical.

Quote " It's really a shame as I guess it illustrates the larger problem in society... and then if we can't manage a decent discussion on here what chance do the people actually affected directly by this conflict have?"

Why is it a larger problem in society?

I watched a film today about a girl who blew up a petrol station as a protest against the Vietnam war. A Ewan McGregor film, If this forum had been about during the Vietnam war there would have been more division than today over Gaza.

On reporting by the international press, the Mao era is within living memory, his death toll was 50 million plus, and we still do not know what went on. The Party of Mao is still in power.

And no, I don't think this is a whataboutism. Its about perspective. There are about a dozen posters here talking about a maybe protest in Gaza, with maybe a few hundred people at it ?

And it's a problem with society ? Nah.

Because these folk who have been named as the social media organisers of the protest... almost anyone can engage with them (I cant) Or try to. Or even read all their posts to see where they are coming from.

I honestly don't know if Gaza has social media. But if they do, and people are reading it, then this board should not need the news to tell people what is going on.

As a world society, we have never been better connected. So we should try to use it rather then deciding it divides us.

Ellen2shoes · 28/06/2026 15:50

I answered your question honestly - I don’t know. Do you?

I don’t know why you have misquoted my answer.

dairydebris · 28/06/2026 15:10

Ellen2shoes · 28/06/2026 12:38

We won’t know until they are allowed in by Israel but I would imagine that being given a free rein to report would be more incriminating for Israel than any Hamas propaganda.

It's such a shame that you couldn't answer my question directly about whether or not you believe Hamas would allow international press to report freely.

Instead you've jumped straight to what you presume Gazan Palestinians would say, which is a perfect example of what I was talking about above- projecting your own voice onto Palestinian voices.

I'm increasingly coming to believe any discourse is impossible on this forum. There's seemingly zero possibility of discussing anything for posters who just wish to jump into the conversation to press the point of 'Israel bad' with no nuance or actual thought put into the issues surrounding this conflict.

Hence I ask- do you think Hamas would allow free reporting by international press? and your only answer is 'well if they could they'd say Israel Bad'.

It's really a shame as I guess it illustrates the larger problem in society... and then if we can't manage a decent discussion on here what chance do the people actually affected directly by this conflict have?

Don't worry about answering, it was rhetorical.

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Ellen2shoes · 28/06/2026 13:21

I think your point was clear and I am very doubtful that this could end well. Feels way too manipulative.

Fully agree with this:

And there are people hoping to use Gaza protests against HAMAS as justification to keep bombing. And there will be people hoping for HAMAS to do a brutal crackdown on the protests so they can say " See, we need to bomb HAMAS out of existence.

RedTagAlan · 28/06/2026 13:00

Ellen2shoes · 28/06/2026 12:15

Well said.

Thanks. I think I sort of messed up what I was trying say. I left too many gaps that I assumed people would fill.

Protests are not always a good way to justify change of government/regime change. Because there are too many variables.

For example, people outside of Britain who only read right wing news might think the UK is on the brink of civil war, that the UK has a hated authoritarian Marxist government, and that another country should send an army in. That is nonsense, but there are people believe this.

And yes, there are mass protests that should be listened to. Iran for example, HK against the CCP, the Arab spring perhaps. But with the Arab spring, it is complex, as we saw in Syria.

Anti Assad. Good stuff. Get behind that. Then it's oh... a lot of these protesters are not protesting for democracy, they want something else.

I think the same likely applies to Gaza. Because they might be protesting against Hamas, but what are they protesting for.

And I think that is what I am trying to say. It's what they are protesting for is equally as important as what they are against. So auto support won't come from me, unless it is clear what they want.

After all, the PRC, Iran, Vietnam, to name a few, were all founded on protest and revolution.

I think I still made a hash of getting my thought across.

Ellen2shoes · 28/06/2026 12:38

dairydebris · 28/06/2026 06:39

Do you think if international press were allowed into Gaza Hamas would allow them to report freely? Would allow them to file interviews not favorable to Hamas? Without violent reprisal?

I think press should be allowed in too. But I don't believe they would be allowed to report freely. The voices of people would come to us filtered through Hamas' lens.

More examples of Palestinians being used to further other agendas is what I think we'd get. What do you think?

We won’t know until they are allowed in by Israel but I would imagine that being given a free rein to report would be more incriminating for Israel than any Hamas propaganda.