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It’s kicking off in Dubai again FlightRadar24

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FUDJTFOTTFEOF · 04/05/2026 16:28

I’m watching an Emirates flight from Seattle circling around trying to land. Sky News are reporting that the sirens have gone off.

F bloody Trump.

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Stirabout · 05/05/2026 10:22

ShockingBritain · 05/05/2026 09:48

The Straits are international waters.

No
the narrowest part of the Strait is part Iran and part Oman

Stirabout · 05/05/2026 10:20

RedTagAlan · 05/05/2026 04:37

Yup. UNCLOS is the law that provides for freedom of navigation. Defines territorial waters etc.

The problem here is that of the few nations on earth that have not ratified UNCLOS, and that is small club... both Iran and the US are in it.

Iran and the US have signed UNCLOS, so accept it in principle, but neither have ratified it. And they need to ratify it to be bound by it.

Oman has signed and ratified it. So they are legally bound by it.

It's a point of contention with many nations that the US acts as the worlds policeman, enforcing UNCLOS, but as a state they have not agreed to be bound by it.

I know you know this @logicisall, so just general info for the thread.

As you say, there are two sea lanes in the SoH. One is in Iranian Territorial waters, one is in Oman. But the Oman side is shallower, so deep draft vessels need to use the Iran side, and that complicates things.

And there is stuff about warships that makes it more complex. Because if the US and Iran had ratified it, they need to allow other nations warships the right of free navigation if they are wanting to get somewhere. So likes of the UK and France have to allow Russian warships to Transit the channel. But the warships have to be making innocent passage, and be stood down from combat readiness,

So even if Iran had ratified UNCLOS, it would be their right to stop US combative warships transiting their side. And of course, if the US had ratified it, it would also have to abide by that and not send combative warships in.

If that aint complex enough, it gets worse. Because at time of ratification, states can opt out of certain clauses.

Thanks Redtag
i wasn’t aware of Omans shallow water.
That does explain a lot

Twiglets1 · 05/05/2026 10:14

logicisall · 05/05/2026 09:52

You've missed the point entirely!

The point is you asked for my source and the source was Al Jazeera who apparently didn’t quote correctly what Reuters actually said.

1dayatatime · 05/05/2026 10:13

ShockingBritain · 05/05/2026 09:48

The Straits are international waters.

But as @RedTagAlankindly explained it's not that simple.

But whether you agree or disagree, Iran claims control over the whole of the SoH. And if other countries disagree with this, then the question becomes what are you going to do about it, which currently looks like not a lot.

Notonthestairs · 05/05/2026 10:02

RedTagAlan · 05/05/2026 04:37

Yup. UNCLOS is the law that provides for freedom of navigation. Defines territorial waters etc.

The problem here is that of the few nations on earth that have not ratified UNCLOS, and that is small club... both Iran and the US are in it.

Iran and the US have signed UNCLOS, so accept it in principle, but neither have ratified it. And they need to ratify it to be bound by it.

Oman has signed and ratified it. So they are legally bound by it.

It's a point of contention with many nations that the US acts as the worlds policeman, enforcing UNCLOS, but as a state they have not agreed to be bound by it.

I know you know this @logicisall, so just general info for the thread.

As you say, there are two sea lanes in the SoH. One is in Iranian Territorial waters, one is in Oman. But the Oman side is shallower, so deep draft vessels need to use the Iran side, and that complicates things.

And there is stuff about warships that makes it more complex. Because if the US and Iran had ratified it, they need to allow other nations warships the right of free navigation if they are wanting to get somewhere. So likes of the UK and France have to allow Russian warships to Transit the channel. But the warships have to be making innocent passage, and be stood down from combat readiness,

So even if Iran had ratified UNCLOS, it would be their right to stop US combative warships transiting their side. And of course, if the US had ratified it, it would also have to abide by that and not send combative warships in.

If that aint complex enough, it gets worse. Because at time of ratification, states can opt out of certain clauses.

Thank you @RedTagAlani don’t know why people don’t acknowledge the complexity of this issue.

logicisall · 05/05/2026 09:52

Twiglets1 · 05/05/2026 08:41

So take it up with Al Jazeera @logicisall if you think they didn't report the situation accurately.

I gave the source as Al Jazeera reporting what Reuters said.

You've missed the point entirely!

ShockingBritain · 05/05/2026 09:48

1dayatatime · 04/05/2026 19:41

Because the US is trying to get other nations vessels through the Straits, but Iran says that the Straits belong to them.

The Straits are international waters.

whoamI00 · 05/05/2026 09:44

notimagain · 05/05/2026 09:37

@whoamI00

The video contains information such as what is identifiable through satellite data to drone operators or pilots, when the attacks occurred

As far as the school attack goes it's believed it was hit by Tomohawks or similar, so no operators or pilots in the loop...

Once the facility went on the list and it current use wasn't checked it's fate was sealed, even before the weapons were launched.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2026/03/08/video-shows-us-tomahawk-missile-strike-next-to-girls-school-in-iran/

Yes, thank you for pointing it out. It may be not accurate to say it's drone operator or pilots. It's "US Tomahawk Missiles". There's a difference between how's targets are determined and how it's executed.

notimagain · 05/05/2026 09:37

@whoamI00

The video contains information such as what is identifiable through satellite data to drone operators or pilots, when the attacks occurred

As far as the school attack goes it's believed it was hit by Tomohawks or similar, so no operators or pilots in the loop...

Once the facility went on the list and it current use wasn't checked it's fate was sealed, even before the weapons were launched.

GentleSheep · 05/05/2026 09:34

Evenstar · 05/05/2026 09:32

😂

😂

Evenstar · 05/05/2026 09:32

😂

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GentleSheep · 05/05/2026 09:27

I spy on Marine Traffic one tanker on its way to Singapore through the Strait. I wonder whether it will get through. It's flying the Panama flag.

https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/details/9277797

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whoamI00 · 05/05/2026 09:23

x.com/i/status/2050626326252454208
www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-iranian-girls-killed-double-tap-strikes-minab-school

Regarding the U.S. attacks on the school in Minab, please check out the video and the article.

The video contains information such as what is identifiable through satellite data to drone operators or pilots, when the attacks occurred, the precision of the targeted area, and the fact that there were three attacks on the school.

168 children aged between 7 and 11 were killed. There were three missile projectiles, and when the school was first hit, most of the children were still alive and were evacuated to the prayer hall. Then the prayer hall was hit.

The Middle East Eye article was published on 4 March 2026, which was way before the missile was identified as a U.S. Tomahawk (8 March 2026)

logicisall · 05/05/2026 09:15

I see that things are quiet once again on flightradar. UAE did announce this morning that all flights between Dubai and Sharjah have been suspended.

GentleSheep · 05/05/2026 09:05

Twiglets1 · 05/05/2026 07:52

This story has indeed now turned up on mainstream media like the BBC @GentleSheep

Thought it might! :)

GentleSheep · 05/05/2026 09:03

Stirabout · 04/05/2026 21:43

Oh yes
Israel is flattening southern Lebanon and has been throughout the ceasefire
they don’t stop just because others do

Why not use northern Israel for that. Far lower population density there than southern Lebanon
but of course it’s not actually about a buffer zone
Enter…land grab

You do understand that Southern Lebanon is where Hezbollah are? That's where they target northern Israel. It would be pretty pointless for them to hang out in the north of Lebanon. That's why Israel are targeting that area. There would be no point to targeting the north!

Edit: too early for me and using 'target' too many times, sorry! 😳

Twiglets1 · 05/05/2026 08:41

Twiglets1 · 05/05/2026 08:36

South Korea considering participation in Trump’s ‘Project Freedom’

Reuters reports that South Korea’s presidential office is investigating whether the country can participate in Trump’s “Project Freedom” in the Strait of Hormuz.

The US leader recently announced a new military operation to “guide” ships out of the key waterway.

www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2026/5/5/iran-war-live-washington-tehran-trade-threats-over-strait-of-hormuz

So take it up with Al Jazeera @logicisall if you think they didn't report the situation accurately.

I gave the source as Al Jazeera reporting what Reuters said.

wecangoupupup · 05/05/2026 08:38

Fuck Donald Trump. Fuck his illegal war which is making everything more expensive and dangerous. Fuck him to the ends of this earth.

Twiglets1 · 05/05/2026 08:36

Twiglets1 · 05/05/2026 08:07

According to Al Jazeera, Reuters are reporting that the South Korea presidential office is investigating if the country can participate in Trump’s “Project Freedom” in the SoH.

South Korea considering participation in Trump’s ‘Project Freedom’

Reuters reports that South Korea’s presidential office is investigating whether the country can participate in Trump’s “Project Freedom” in the Strait of Hormuz.

The US leader recently announced a new military operation to “guide” ships out of the key waterway.

www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2026/5/5/iran-war-live-washington-tehran-trade-threats-over-strait-of-hormuz

Twiglets1 · 05/05/2026 08:30

logicisall · 05/05/2026 08:28

I don't think that was what Reuters reported, hence the importance of providing links to support info being posted.

I follow South Korean news closely and this was not what their national newspapers were saying, so I checked Reuters.

This is what Reuters actually said.
South Korea's Foreign Ministry, the Defence Ministry and the presidential office did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Trump's post.

South Korea has previously said it would carefully consider Trump's call for countries to deploy navy ships to form a coalition to ensure safe passage through the waterway, while also stressing such a move would require legislative approval.

That's polite Korean speak for "no can do".

You haven’t provided a link yourself and often don’t?

I will provide the link to the Al Jazeera report in a minute.

logicisall · 05/05/2026 08:28

Twiglets1 · 05/05/2026 08:07

According to Al Jazeera, Reuters are reporting that the South Korea presidential office is investigating if the country can participate in Trump’s “Project Freedom” in the SoH.

I don't think that was what Reuters reported, hence the importance of providing links to support info being posted.

I follow South Korean news closely and this was not what their national newspapers were saying, so I checked Reuters.

This is what Reuters actually said.
South Korea's Foreign Ministry, the Defence Ministry and the presidential office did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Trump's post.

South Korea has previously said it would carefully consider Trump's call for countries to deploy navy ships to form a coalition to ensure safe passage through the waterway, while also stressing such a move would require legislative approval.

That's polite Korean speak for "no can do".

Notonthestairs · 05/05/2026 08:14

This war was ill conceived - big plans to get in, none to get out - and all the predicted consequences have come to fruition.

1dayatatime · 05/05/2026 08:13

SonyaLoosemore · 05/05/2026 07:53

Do you seriously blame Iran for objecting to those US ships?

Well that depends on whether you see the entire SoH as Iranian waters and under their jurisdiction or as an international waterway.

Twiglets1 · 05/05/2026 08:07

According to Al Jazeera, Reuters are reporting that the South Korea presidential office is investigating if the country can participate in Trump’s “Project Freedom” in the SoH.