It’s kicking off in Dubai again FlightRadar24

Yup. And freedom of navigation is by convention. The convention that neither Iran nor the US have ratified.

Just like the Channel is part English part French territorial waters. Limited international waters.

Here's a sample of it, fascinating stuff! Subject matter made me chuckle.

Not per UNCLOS. Approx half Iran, half Oman. Depending on their baselines published and lodged with the UN. Baselines being set from the low water mark. Frrom that the 12 nautical miles territorial sea is mapped out, then the next 12 contiguous sea, then the 200 mile EEZ.

Countries get 12 miles of sea as their territory.

Freedom of navigation is a thing. But there is not much international water.

Absolutely agree.

Wow

So that must mean that the satellite images used by the AI must have been more than 10 years old - maybe they weren't updating the images more frequently because there were absolutely no plans to bomb Iran [see previous US administrations' wargaming which said attacking Iran was a bad idea] so the old images were fine

The actual target was a nearby IRGC barracks and you would probably not expect it to move even over a ten year period but there was further development of the site to build the school

Well if you think that the SoH are Iranian waters then the US would be arseholes for trying to transit them without Iranian permission. But if you think they the SoH are international waterways then the Iranians would be arseholes for attacking transiting ships and neighbouring countries.

It really is one or the other depending on your viewpoint.

Exactly. It's international waters. I think the US and Iran are equal on the scale of arsehole war mongers.

It has been around since the mid 1900s - the first chatbot was made in 1966!

Here we go. 4 days ago.

Pentagon strikes deals with 8 Big Tech companies after shunning Anthropic | CNN Business

"Until recently, Anthropic’s Claude was the only AI model available in the Pentagon’s classified network. But President Donald Trump announced the administration would sever ties with the company after Anthropic refused to back down on terms that would allow the military to use Claude for “all lawful purposes,” including autonomous weapons and mass surveillance."

I reckon this is a recipe for disaster. They are wanting to use AI products to do stuff that the makers say NO to. Other makers say OK.

And they are using it to select targets. Wow.

They are in a court case now, or just were, because the US want to use their AI. These contracts are going out now. The AI they are using is months old. It's untested really.

I have no idea when it was invented or first incorporated in to military planning! I do know that school was established in 2016 (open source).

AI is not even a decade old surely ?

Clearly not that cutting edge if it hadn’t updated in a decade. Seems like a means to delegate responsibility.

The admiral guy in the press conference just said they use cutting edge AI.

Not sure Pete I-advertise-top-secret-information-to-journalists-by-WhatsApp Hegseath is that bothered by incompetence.

The sheer sloppiness of using AI to determine targets should bother allies & enemies alike.

Particularly given the erratic behaviour of Commander in Chief.

Create a buffer on their own land? Isn't that unreasonable though? Supposing a terrorist group sets up in eastern Wales and starts shooting missiles into the Midlands. Should we move everyone in Herefordshire away from the border, or should we go and try to rout out the terrorists? There's no real easy answer to this and whichever way you look at it there will be loss of life.

You're using 'land grab' to dismiss the fact that those places were/are heavily populated with terrorists (S.Lebanon and Gaza). This is the problem, those terrorists have so infiltrated the local populations that it's nearly impossible to eradicate them without killing innocent people. So... better go back to letting them carry on and terrorise Israel, is that what you're saying?

My earlier post was equally relevant, just more generally about the overall idea that this war is in any way affected by Americans’ attitude to “dark skinned” people. In fact, since it was basically the same point but without the detail that applied specifically to the school.

I’m really not sure what point you're making though.

Your second paragraph in your previous post was about the SOH so not relevant
( Hence my comment )
nothing to do with the pps comment about the school.
Hence my post. You do see that

This post however is relevant to theirs.

If someone thinks they bombed a school because they thought Iranians are dark skinned, then I think the person who thinks that is the one with issues. It makes no sense on so many levels. Starting with the fact that Iranians are the original Aryans, and have paler skin than many Americans.

And then there’s the utter military pointlessness and counterproductive nature of bombing a school when they were hoping to trigger an uprising against the regime in place. There was no surer way of getting the locals enraged against the US, which is exactly what they didn’t want to do.

It also makes them look incompetent. Again, hardly a wished-for outcome.

@logicisall was talking about the US bombing a school.
Not the SOH

Although I do agree. Trump and his mates are now making a lot of money from insider trading

LOL what on earth makes you think it’s lack of concern for “brown people”? He was exactly the same about the Ukrainians, who are whiter than many Brits.

Personally I suspect that this is all about manipulating oil prices and that Trump and his family and friends are in the process of making themselves richer than anyone can imagine. He announces a change in policy, everyone rushes to buy or sell, then he goes back on it, or announces something else, and again the world rushes to respond. Meanwhile, what are all those odd movements on the markets about, if not people who knew what was going to be announced beforehand?

Yup. I don't think they can have one set lane in and one out. The deeper being on the Iran side, that would be the out lane. Empty in, full out. But the problem is the massive full ships that go in too. The container ships and bulk carriers.

If Israel need a buffer zone,
which is the excuse they are using, then they should create it on their own land not their neighbours

They have a far lower population density in the north.

This is classic land grab.

Just like Theyve done in Gaza,
the West Bank and the Golan Heights

Its not rocket science