Rising anti swmtism in the UK....do we really need to crack down I n the Iran regime Hamas supporting mobs?

Yes, I know. There has been savagery behaviour from other countries towards Israel and Israel has carried out savage acts against Palestinian people, before October 7th.
They’re all blood thirsty murderers imo. I feel for the innocent people trapped inside these corrupt countries.
I don’t know how anyone can defend either side when they’re drenched in blood, blackmail and mistreatment, just dressed up differently.

I think the rise of Islamophobia is far more alarming and yet the media doesn't seem to cover this. Any kind of racism is abhorrent but there seems to be more coverage of one kind. And now I'll get called an anti-semite, no doubt.

Well I hope you also think the neighbouring countries shouldn’t have spent the last 80 years bombing Israel. Obviously I don’t actually think more violence is the answer but this story didn’t start on October 7th.

"They centre themselves" maybe don't march past synagogues and Jewish areas shouting 'Free Palestine ' when they have NO CONTROL OR INFLUENCE over what happens in the middle east 🤔. Maybe standing protests where the aim is not to intimidate others might be better....

Do you actually think shouting 'Free Palestine ' or 'Globalise the intifada' at people actually helps the people of Gaza?

Those awful UK Jews 'centering themselves' by feeling unsafe in the face of intimidation, what are they thinking 🤔 😕 This is the UK, where they live, they should feel safe.

Obviously, I agree that what’s happening in Palestine has nothing to do with British Jews. However, peaceful, inclusive marches against war crimes and human rights abuses becomes about British Jews when they centre themselves as a reason why the Palestinian cause should be silenced.

I acknowledge that there are a minority of outlying idiots who will use ‘Free Palestine’ to intimidate people because they are racist bullies, but they are not a reason for protest against the British government’s involvement in genocide and ethnic cleansing to be entirely shut down and condemned as antisemitic.

Who are you if you object to protest about killing innocent children?

Obviously, I agree that what’s happening in Palestine has nothing to do with British Jews. However, peaceful, inclusive marches against war crimes and human rights abuses becomes about British Jews when they centre themselves as a reason why the Palestinian cause should be silenced.

I acknowledge that there are a minority of outlying idiots who will use ‘Free Palestine’ to intimidate people because they are racist bullies, but they are not a reason for protest against the British government’s involvement in genocide and ethnic cleansing to be entirely shut down and condemned as antisemitic.

Who are you if you object to protest about killing innocent children?

The absolute best thing anyone can do is just believe us when we speak. If we say ‘these hate marches are terrifying and bringing out the worst in people and now my daughter is afraid to go to school’, don’t tell me I’m overreacting or that the intention wasn’t for that to happen. I don’t care about intent, I care about impact. And the impact on my family in the last 2.5 years has been massive.

I think that people do believe you, but they believe in the Palestinian cause too.

What Israel is doing is so wrong and so horrific that it needs calling out regardless of whether it makes people here feel unsafe or not.

Your children’s right to feel safe is important, but it is not more important than Palestinian children’s right to be safe.

If the government of this country didn’t contribute to atrocity and oppression in Palestine then I would agree with you that protests and marches in this country shouldn’t happen if they were making British people feel scared. But as long as our own government refuses to call out war crimes and human rights abuses, unfortunately the protests are necessary.

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British nationals can serve in other armies. There’s thousands fighting in Ukraine and even some in Russia. There is nothing illegal about it. Israeli citizens who live in Israel as adults will almost always be in the IDF for a few years - as per any other country with compulsory service.

My father is an IDF veteran. My Jewish American parents met on a trip to Israel, married, had me and he served 6 months in an immigrant division. They then moved back to the states so I grew up American. My husband and I immigrated to the UK 20 years ago and had our kids here - they are British / American / Israeli citizens but obviously feel and act British first as they’ve never lived anywhere else.

Every Jewish family has generations of stories about antisemitism- my great grandparents fled the pogroms in Russia, my grandmother wasn’t allowed to go to the local school until her parents fought for her, my mother wasn’t spat at, my grandmother’s care home had a mass shootinf, my father’s synagogue had another, my brother’s school has lockdown drills and bomb threats… and my 11 year old daughter was surrounded by teenage boys yelling Free Palestine in the hallway at her high school. This stuff isn’t new, it’s not surprising, and the Jewish community can’t fix it by doing xyz in Israel or being polite or waving a banner around. It’s a frightening time, but we’ve survived worse.

The absolute best thing anyone can do is just believe us when we speak. If we say ‘these hate marches are terrifying and bringing out the worst in people and now my daughter is afraid to go to school’, don’t tell me I’m overreacting or that the intention wasn’t for that to happen. I don’t care about intent, I care about impact. And the impact on my family in the last 2.5 years has been massive.

it's not helpful or acceptable to replace a disaster for the Palestinian people with a disaster for Jews

Ahreed, but then it is apparently acceptable for a disaster for Jews to be replaced with a disaster for Palestinian people which is why Isreal exists as it does now and why there is and always will be ongoing resistance.

it's not helpful or acceptable to replace a disaster for the Palestinian people with a disaster for Jews

Ahreed, but then it is apparently acceptable for a disaster for Jews to be replaced with a disaster for Palestinian people which is why Isreal exists as it does now and why there is and always will be ongoing resistance.

See some familiar faces here!

British nationals can serve in other armies. There’s thousands fighting in Ukraine and even some in Russia. There is nothing illegal about it. Israeli citizens who live in Israel as adults will almost always be in the IDF for a few years - as per any other country with compulsory service.

My father is an IDF veteran. My Jewish American parents met on a trip to Israel, married, had me and he served 6 months in an immigrant division. They then moved back to the states so I grew up American. My husband and I immigrated to the UK 20 years ago and had our kids here - they are British / American / Israeli citizens but obviously feel and act British first as they’ve never lived anywhere else.

Every Jewish family has generations of stories about antisemitism- my great grandparents fled the pogroms in Russia, my grandmother wasn’t allowed to go to the local school until her parents fought for her, my mother wasn’t spat at, my grandmother’s care home had a mass shootinf, my father’s synagogue had another, my brother’s school has lockdown drills and bomb threats… and my 11 year old daughter was surrounded by teenage boys yelling Free Palestine in the hallway at her high school. This stuff isn’t new, it’s not surprising, and the Jewish community can’t fix it by doing xyz in Israel or being polite or waving a banner around. It’s a frightening time, but we’ve survived worse.

The absolute best thing anyone can do is just believe us when we speak. If we say ‘these hate marches are terrifying and bringing out the worst in people and now my daughter is afraid to go to school’, don’t tell me I’m overreacting or that the intention wasn’t for that to happen. I don’t care about intent, I care about impact. And the impact on my family in the last 2.5 years has been massive.

it's not helpful or acceptable to replace a disaster for the Palestinian people with a disaster for Jews

Ahreed, but then it is apparently acceptable for a disaster for Jews to be replaced with a disaster for Palestinian people which is why Isreal exists as it does now and why there is and always will be ongoing resistance.

it's not helpful or acceptable to replace a disaster for the Palestinian people with a disaster for Jews

Ahreed, but then it is apparently acceptable for a disaster for Jews to be replaced with a disaster for Palestinian people which is why Isreal exists as it does now and why there is and always will be ongoing resistance.

When people say Jewish people have a right to self determination, this statement is within the two millennia long context of Jews being persecuted, murdered and/or being expelled from other countries across the world.

History has taught, and the years since Oct 7th 2023 have reminded, Jews that they cannot rely on the societies or governments of other countries ( than Israel) to keep them safe. They are constantly cast as ‘other’ in the societies they live in. The sign I saw a Jewish man holding at the last March Against anti-Semitism in London put it well. ‘I used to think I was a British Jew. Now I realise I’m a Jew who happens to live in Britain.’

Jews are, yet again, again being attacked and murdered and othered in the West.

Israel gives Jewish people a right to self-determination in their own homeland where they are able to defend themselves, rather than rely on others to defend them as citizens. Because relying on that, has led to terrible massacres and expulsions for two millennia.

I dont think anyone is suggesting they should. People who care about this region tend to be very clear who the main culprits are, the various actors who threaten Israel also threaten any sort of peace process, which would lead to a Palestinian State, and ordinary Palestinians who are pawns in there game. People who align with Hamas, Iran and other terrorists have no concern for ordinary Palestinians.

See some familiar faces here!

British nationals can serve in other armies. There’s thousands fighting in Ukraine and even some in Russia. There is nothing illegal about it. Israeli citizens who live in Israel as adults will almost always be in the IDF for a few years - as per any other country with compulsory service.

My father is an IDF veteran. My Jewish American parents met on a trip to Israel, married, had me and he served 6 months in an immigrant division. They then moved back to the states so I grew up American. My husband and I immigrated to the UK 20 years ago and had our kids here - they are British / American / Israeli citizens but obviously feel and act British first as they’ve never lived anywhere else.

Every Jewish family has generations of stories about antisemitism- my great grandparents fled the pogroms in Russia, my grandmother wasn’t allowed to go to the local school until her parents fought for her, my mother wasn’t spat at, my grandmother’s care home had a mass shootinf, my father’s synagogue had another, my brother’s school has lockdown drills and bomb threats… and my 11 year old daughter was surrounded by teenage boys yelling Free Palestine in the hallway at her high school. This stuff isn’t new, it’s not surprising, and the Jewish community can’t fix it by doing xyz in Israel or being polite or waving a banner around. It’s a frightening time, but we’ve survived worse.

The absolute best thing anyone can do is just believe us when we speak. If we say ‘these hate marches are terrifying and bringing out the worst in people and now my daughter is afraid to go to school’, don’t tell me I’m overreacting or that the intention wasn’t for that to happen. I don’t care about intent, I care about impact. And the impact on my family in the last 2.5 years has been massive.

there doesn’t appear to be another country who has to suffer as part of its existence ideological foes whose objective is the destruction of that country per se!

Theres Palestine, a country and a people which is being slowly eradicated by very powerful countries. Israel is very open about wanting to destroy Palestine and has taken several active steps towards that happening.

Why do you think people who have no affiliation with either country should care more about Israeli lives than Palestinian lives?