IDF confirms authenticity of a photo of a soldier destroying a statute of Jesus Christ

This line from the scriptures says that people who speak up for what is right or do what is right, in the face of persecution, will be rewarded in heaven.

The fact that persecution has always existed does not make it ok .

What is your point? I really don’t understand.. It almost seems as if you are saying that Christians have always been persecuted and always will be and that’s the way it is…

If you won’t say what country you’re from then this is an odd conversation.

Im not sure you’re posting in good faith .

I won't name the country on social media.

My question about persecution as a part of Christianity is not about anyone's feelings, I am asking if you agree that factually, my statement is true. An example of my supporting evidence :

Mat 5:10-12 Blessed those persecuted for righteousness' sakebecause theirs is the kingdom of the heavens. Blessed are you whenever they may reproach you, and may persecute, and may say any evil thing against you falsely for My sakerejoice and be glad, because your reward [is] great in the heavens, for thus they persecuted the prophets who were before you. (LSV)

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“Anyhow, do you agree with what I say about being persecuted is a part of many sects of Christianity ?”

What do you mean? I’m not interested in talking about my opinions or people’s “feelings” of persecution.

I’m talking about the documented data / evidence of actual religious persecution that I’ve provided in the link.
Do you mind sharing what country you’re in since you live in one of the 50 countries mentioned?

I live in one of those countries mentioned in that report.

Anyhow, do you agree with what I say about being persecuted is a part of many sects of Christianity ?

That is pretty important when it comes to reporting persecution. Because keeping that in mind, does rather suggest that the 59% of Americans who claim persecution can't really just be handwaved away.

Im not at all sure what your point is here?
The list I provided earlier are countries where there is evidence of severe persecution against religious groups.
https://www.opendoors.org/en-US/persecution/countries/

The US is not mentioned because it is a serious report - it’s not just about whether people “feel” persecuted.

This is what I find interesting about religious persecution. Because @OpheliaWasntMad , if a Christian, could say they are being persecuted for it here on MN. Of course I am not saying Belle or Rain are persecuting you. What I am saying is that a Christian could in this scenario.

I looked at your report on Cristians being persecuted, and I noticed the US was not mentioned. I looked it up. Apparently 59% in the US do:

59% of American Christians Say They're Persecuted, May Not Understand Real Persecution - RELEVANT (relevantmagazine.com)

Yeah, it's a random article, and I am just posting it for the number ( Recall from above, I am in one of the restricted places), but it does back up what I said above, that being persecuted is a part of Christianity.

And this leads into the whole self determination and religious freedom thing. Because one religious person might feel a religious duty to persecute other religions. The Orange order is a prime example of this. So for them to have religious freedom, they need to persecute.

After all, this war we are discussing is really about religion. And with that in mind, if I were to say religion should be banned, look at all the wars, I would be accused of persecuting all religions.

That's why I find it interesting. Nobody wins.

A US evangelical politician voting to ban abortion in their state is practicing their religious freedom, but they are effectively persecuting others who don't believe in their religion.

Religious persecution is a complex thing for sure. Makes my head spin when I think about it.

I am in one of the top 20 countries for persecution of Christians in that list. I don't dispute the list, but I do wonder how different folk define persecution. Again, I don't doubt the list, they will have a formula.

On a general point though, being persecuted is a part of Christianity. Blessed are you who are persecuted in my name. So, you end up with the likes of Fox in the US reporting on the war on Christmas. And how a Starbucks cup is somehow persecution. For many Christians, they have a need to be persecuted. Not all of course.

I suppose really, there is active and passive persecution. Where I am is the latter. There are rules yes. It's illegal for foreigners to proselytize for example. But it is not illegal to be a Christian. So ask a Christian here if they feel actively persecuted, they might say no. Because they know the rules. But ask a US fox news viewer if they feel persecuted, they might say yes. Because in their view teaching evolution is persecution.

I find it an interesting subject.

I don’t disagree with any of that.

100% all religions, I know Jewish people in Israel who risk their lives, reporting and translating Hebrew for all of us to understand what's happening on the ground.

I know Muslims who took up arms to protect Christian Nuns in Syria in the last village that spoke Aramaic (the language of the bible).

I know Christians in Lebanon sheltering displaced Muslims from the South under threat of bombing.

Humans are Humans.

Absolutely unbelievable 🙄

Well I’m not going to lose any sleep over the idea that a couple of posters on mumsnet don’t think I’m a proper “Christian” .
Are you Christian? What makes you think you can judge my faith?

”This applies to all religions of course”…
Oh - really? You’d accuse a Muslim or Hindu or Sikh of not truly practicing their faith because they disagreed with you on an online forum ?

As someone who calls themselves 'a Christian', hopefully you aren't disingenuous enough to not grasp what the objections are to your particular flavour of repeated posts.

As @BelleHathor said 'The only blessing from this whole tragedy over the last years is finding out people who actually practice their faith in life and who does so in name only. Truly enlightening.'
This applies to all religions, of course.

Sorry - I didn’t realise that only stories about Jews behaving badly are allowed.

You’re absolutely right. He wasn’t killed by Hamas. He was killed by a different extremist Islamist group.
Islamist groups present the biggest threat to Christians.
But it is true that extremist Israelis are hateful to Christian Palestinians ( and Muslim Palestinians).
It the extremists that are the problem- not the Jews/ not the Israelis/ not the Muslims - the extremists.
We have some home gown extremists of our own - and they are spreading antisemitic hate on Britain’s streets.

The last Christian bookshop owner's name was Rami Khader Ayyad, if his death wasn't being used as some kind of propaganda gotcha that would be known.

He was not killed by Hamas, it was:
"The Gazan Salafi-jihadist group Jaish al Mu’minun, also known as "Al-Qaeda in Palestine", claimed responsibility for the murder.[2][3] it is widely believed that Ayyad was targeted because of his Christian faith and his work at the bookstore."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Rami_Ayyad

Al-Qaeda whom in a 2012 email Jake Sullivan senior advisor to Hillary Clinton said "is on our side in Syria". Al Qaeda where the former head chopper is now "President" of Syria and visited the Whitehouse.

This isn't about persecution of Christians, otherwise listen to the Palestinian and Jordanian Christians that Tucker Carlson has interviewed, they paint a very vivid picture of their daily persecution.

The only blessing from this whole tragedy over the last years is finding out people who actually practice their faith in life and who does so in name only. Truly enlightening.

Yes. Some posters just can't help themselves-whataboutery all day long.

not unless its the dont press this button type situation then its oh pickles

😘 Daft but you won’t cause any wars xxx

im daft at the best of times, if i admit it often enough then no one expects you to have any brains or be great

Fair enough 🤣. Hats off for admitting

to be honest im not sure, i have not read the full thread,

Let’s jump from vilifying Jews to vilifying Christians…
Some people just HAVE to have a hate figure

What exactly is that supposed to mean? 🤣

firstly im respectful of anyones beliefs but that said how much history has been destroyed because of Christians and their wars ?

Well - since my last message was deleted- can I just clarify and suggest anyone who is interested in persecution of Christians ( not any particular individual- but anyone) should do a bit of research.