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Iranian attack hit water desalination plant in Kuwait

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Ihatetomatoes · 03/04/2026 09:21

Cannot find a link yet but was on BBC as breaking news.

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RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 10:25

TopPocketFind · 07/04/2026 10:19

BBC headline

Israel warns Iranians not to travel by train as Trump threatens to 'demolish' infrastructure

We could as well be reading about Russia.

Imagine the outcry if such a warning was put out for the UK. It would be called terrorism.

Golden407 · 07/04/2026 10:22

EasternStandard · 05/04/2026 06:56

Do you think the EU have got it wrong? Here’s the reason for proscription.

Speaking in Brussels on Thursday, French Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot described it as "the most violent repression in Iran's modern history" and said there could be "no impunity for the crimes committed".

I don’t believe the EU is the ultimate authority on the morality of national governments.
Whilst there is plenty criticise the Iranian government government for i don’t believe the violence at the beginning of the year was spontaneous. Alistair Crook wrote a piece on the CIA/Mossad, how they’ve been running a training camp in Albania for over a decade training thousands of Kurds for infiltration into Iran in order to instigate civil unrest to provide a pretext for intervention.
There’s been a huge amount of effort to achieve “regime change” in Iran

TopPocketFind · 07/04/2026 10:19

BBC headline

Israel warns Iranians not to travel by train as Trump threatens to 'demolish' infrastructure

We could as well be reading about Russia.

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 10:11

Ihatetomatoes · 07/04/2026 10:06

Whilst you are policing the comments of some, might you correct your error on another thread, where you said there were only a few uprisings in a couple of cities? I mean, you obviously want everyone else to be precise. I've corrected your error with evidence from Amnesty. HTH

And did I persist with my error ? Or was I happy to be corrected ?

Incidentally, you never said how many cities. I did ask, and I did say I can't open those reports.. twice.

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 10:08

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2026 10:01

There are multiple examples of people saying Israel are committing genocide, as you well know. You don't correct or challenge them. And here you are trying to show evidence that they are correct to say it as it were a fact (it isn't).

This UN Commission is not a court of law and does not even claim to officially speak for the UN.

From the BBC: The commission said its latest report was "the strongest and most authoritative UN finding to date" on the war. However, it does not officially speak for the UN.

The UN says it cannot make a legal determination as to whether a situation constitutes genocide under international law. It says a situation is referred to as genocide only after a competent national or international court has declared it as such.

When asked by journalists on Tuesday if he would consider using the word genocide to describe Israel's actions in Gaza, UN human rights chief Volker Türk said: "It's for the court to decide whether it's genocide or not, and we see the evidence mounting."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8641wv0n4go

But the thread is not about Gaza.

If a UN commission said something Iran done was or is a war crime, then that is good enough for me. I am sure it would be for you too.

Ihatetomatoes · 07/04/2026 10:06

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 09:16

Yup. So perhaps what you should be posting is ""Iran might be committing war crimes" rather than "Iran is committing war crimes ? And variations of.

That might help prevent confusion and the appearance of double standards.

And yes, while it is ultimately up to the courts, posting on social media that can possibly influence public opinion does carry a bit of responsibility with it.

Whilst you are policing the comments of some, might you correct your error on another thread, where you said there were only a few uprisings in a couple of cities? I mean, you obviously want everyone else to be precise. I've corrected your error with evidence from Amnesty. HTH

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TopPocketFind · 07/04/2026 10:02

There seems to be a reluctance to criticise Trump and his speeches announcing war crimes.

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2026 10:01

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 09:47

But these threads are about Iran, not Gaza.

Anyway. Re Gaza, if someone says accused of Genocide or variations. then factually true. And if someone was to say there is genocide in Gaza, I can't disagree with that, because an UN commission has said that is the case. So I am not about to debate genocide or no genocide when a UN commission says there is. Especially not on a thread about the Iran war.

I don't even have to clip from this UN press release; it's right there in the title. From September last year.

Israel has committed genocide in the Gaza Strip, UN Commission finds | OHCHR

There are multiple examples of people saying Israel are committing genocide, as you well know. You don't correct or challenge them. And here you are trying to show evidence that they are correct to say it as it were a fact (it isn't).

This UN Commission is not a court of law and does not even claim to officially speak for the UN.

From the BBC: The commission said its latest report was "the strongest and most authoritative UN finding to date" on the war. However, it does not officially speak for the UN.

The UN says it cannot make a legal determination as to whether a situation constitutes genocide under international law. It says a situation is referred to as genocide only after a competent national or international court has declared it as such.

When asked by journalists on Tuesday if he would consider using the word genocide to describe Israel's actions in Gaza, UN human rights chief Volker Türk said: "It's for the court to decide whether it's genocide or not, and we see the evidence mounting."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8641wv0n4go

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 09:47

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2026 09:29

If you’re going to police my every comment then maybe you should do the same to all the people saying Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza.

That hasn’t been determined by an international court of law either and won’t be for several years.

Double standard indeed seeing as you are making such a big deal about this but let comments by other people go without comment.

But these threads are about Iran, not Gaza.

Anyway. Re Gaza, if someone says accused of Genocide or variations. then factually true. And if someone was to say there is genocide in Gaza, I can't disagree with that, because an UN commission has said that is the case. So I am not about to debate genocide or no genocide when a UN commission says there is. Especially not on a thread about the Iran war.

I don't even have to clip from this UN press release; it's right there in the title. From September last year.

Israel has committed genocide in the Gaza Strip, UN Commission finds | OHCHR

EasternStandard · 07/04/2026 09:34

logicisall · 07/04/2026 09:33

I thought it was pretty obvious @EasternStandard .

And what's this with posting times, just c&p the relevant quote.
Or is it a thread requirement like always having to include the disclaimer that a criticism of the WH Regime does not constitute support for Iran's?

What was obvious? Can you explain

Re times since you’ve waded in scroll back to first question

logicisall · 07/04/2026 09:33

EasternStandard · 07/04/2026 09:20

Not sure why who you’re emailing is relevant to the intention of the earlier post.

I thought it was pretty obvious @EasternStandard .

And what's this with posting times, just c&p the relevant quote.
Or is it a thread requirement like always having to include the disclaimer that a criticism of the WH Regime does not constitute support for Iran's?

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2026 09:29

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 09:16

Yup. So perhaps what you should be posting is ""Iran might be committing war crimes" rather than "Iran is committing war crimes ? And variations of.

That might help prevent confusion and the appearance of double standards.

And yes, while it is ultimately up to the courts, posting on social media that can possibly influence public opinion does carry a bit of responsibility with it.

If you’re going to police my every comment then maybe you should do the same to all the people saying Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza.

That hasn’t been determined by an international court of law either and won’t be for several years.

Double standard indeed seeing as you are making such a big deal about this but let comments by other people go without comment.

PandoraSocks · 07/04/2026 09:28

EasternStandard · 07/04/2026 09:20

Not sure why who you’re emailing is relevant to the intention of the earlier post.

It isn't. That is why I said "on another matter". Apologies if that wasn't clear to you but hopefully others will have understood.

EasternStandard · 07/04/2026 09:20

PandoraSocks · 07/04/2026 09:03

You have no idea what was in my head, Eastern. And I expanded on my post of 20.29 with my post of 20:37.

Anyway. On another matter I am curious about that article the BBC edited. They should put footnotes to explain, like the Guardian and other sites do. I might email them.

Not sure why who you’re emailing is relevant to the intention of the earlier post.

Ihatetomatoes · 07/04/2026 09:17

"Saudi Arabia: The Ministry of Defence says it has destroyed 18 drones fired at the country during the "past few" hours. Saudi Arabia also closed its King Fahd Causeway - the only road linking it to Bahrain - after Iran threatened to strike its Eastern Province, which houses a US Navy fleet.

Bahrain: Authorities asked residents to shelter in the nearest safe place overnight as alarm sirens activated.

United Arab Emirates: The country said it was working to intercept both missiles and drones from Iran overnight. On Monday, the Defence Ministry said that 519 ballistic missiles and 2,210 drones had been fired at the UAE since war broke out."

All from

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c5yw4g3z7qgt

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logicisall · 07/04/2026 09:17

Oh, the irony of Israel posting on SM, warning to Iranians to stay off trains. Didn't their intelligence tell them of the internet blackout in Iran?

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 09:16

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2026 08:46

Iran are committing war crimes in all probability.

So are Israel and the US which is why I said “this is true whoever commits them”.

Any country blowing up civilian infrastructure is likely committing war crimes but legally speaking that’s not for armchair analysts on MN to determine. Because there are grey areas so ultimately courts will decide though we all have opinions.

Yup. So perhaps what you should be posting is ""Iran might be committing war crimes" rather than "Iran is committing war crimes ? And variations of.

That might help prevent confusion and the appearance of double standards.

And yes, while it is ultimately up to the courts, posting on social media that can possibly influence public opinion does carry a bit of responsibility with it.

logicisall · 07/04/2026 09:14

Re war crimes.
Trump has said that possessing a nuclear weapon is a war crime. By his definition the nine countries (US included) that have nuclear weapons are all committing war crimes.

PandoraSocks · 07/04/2026 09:03

EasternStandard · 07/04/2026 06:49

I doubt it given that and the 20.29 post.

You have no idea what was in my head, Eastern. And I expanded on my post of 20.29 with my post of 20:37.

Anyway. On another matter I am curious about that article the BBC edited. They should put footnotes to explain, like the Guardian and other sites do. I might email them.

Pacificsunshine · 07/04/2026 08:56

I think international law is out the window.

Who is going to enforce it? Who is going to recognise its validity? A bunch of Europeans wagging their fingers?

Israel and Iran feel this is existential for them. They won’t follow international law if it’s a suicide pact. The US is not going to enforce international law on itself. All bets are off.

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2026 08:46

Alexandra2001 · 07/04/2026 08:29

Yet you had no such concerns about calling out Iran and others for committing War Crimes.....

...but when it comes to Israel and the US... its for "courts to decide"

Iran are committing war crimes in all probability.

So are Israel and the US which is why I said “this is true whoever commits them”.

Any country blowing up civilian infrastructure is likely committing war crimes but legally speaking that’s not for armchair analysts on MN to determine. Because there are grey areas so ultimately courts will decide though we all have opinions.

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 08:34

Alexandra2001 · 07/04/2026 08:27

We all have to hope n pray, this will be another TACO moment....

...or watch much of the world economy go into freefall.... as Putin laughs.

Agree. My top worry is the Iranian people though. I think it was just last Dec into January that Tehran was being partially evacuated because no water. They have had a long running drought.

Alexandra2001 · 07/04/2026 08:29

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2026 08:27

My stance is that blowing up infrastructure is a probable war crime (there can be grey areas but that’s not for me or you to determine but a court).

That is true whoever commits them including Iran blowing up infrastructure in other countries (this is where you become obsessed by the potential grey areas).

Yet you had no such concerns about calling out Iran and others for committing War Crimes.....

...but when it comes to Israel and the US... its for "courts to decide"

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