Iranian attack hit water desalination plant in Kuwait

That’s good FOJN.

The war was started by Israel and the US.
It’s a war of choice.
I don’t think their ME partners will have forgotten that.

The missing crew member from the F15 has been rescued.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cm29zmpdj3vt

The Iranian regime must have felt they didn't have enough enemies so wanted to make some new ones in the ME during this war.

If that was the goal, well done.

Perhaps Iran thought there were US troops in the confines of the 'plant?

After all, that seems to be the "get out" for the IDF.

Everyone should have the right to water, including the Gazans, yet no condemnation during the last 3 years as the IDF destroyed almost all of Gaza's desalination and sewage treatment plants.

There is an awful lot of hypocrisy on this thread.

Do you think the EU have got it wrong? Here’s the reason for proscription.

Speaking in Brussels on Thursday, French Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot described it as "the most violent repression in Iran's modern history" and said there could be "no impunity for the crimes committed".

I have no idea what you mean. It's just a turn of phrase. I was not expecting Trump to make it so blatantly Religious.

On the desalination plants. Any thoughts on the binary or non binary thing with what the law says ? And the ethics too of plumbing a military base into a civilian supply (if that is the case). And we can also throw in the billeting of troops in hotels too.

Because they are all interconnected and I think they should all be considered and thought about if one is to avoid "double standards". Or giving the impression of ?

I have limited web, but I have found that the US military does have its own desalination plants available. From a commercial website:

"Since that time, we’ve evolved into the leading provider of water purifiers and water purification technologies to the U.S. Army, U.S. Air Force., and U.S. Navy."

Source :

Military Portable Water Purification Systems | MECO

So really no need for the hotels ? Depending on logistics and location of bases of course.

It does appear to be a complex issue.

I suspect the A10s are for drones. They have low sped and long loiter time, and a gun. So better than fast jets. And Patriot interceptors are running low. So pressing old tech into new use ?

We have seen from the pilot rescue that they are still vulnerable over the battlefield.

Iran is a proscribed terrorist country in countries aligned with the United States, if the United States wanted Norway designated a terrorist country most countries aligned with the USA would happily oblige.
Ultimately I give exactly the same credence to statements from the IRGC as I do to statements from Israel and the USA.

I missed that.

It would be funny if it wasn't so bloody depressing.

He needs to thank Aljareeza news. They corrected 'reign' to 'rain' in their report, to save his face.

"Hell will reign"

The pair of them are utterly demented.

They have been moving A10's to the ME this week which suggests they might be preparing for a ground invasion. They're both insane enough. I can't decide if Hegseth is purging dissenters in the military or they are resigning because they don't want to be associated with whatever is coming next.

Has Trump ever read the ten commandments? Perhaps he skips over the "nots".

Careful now - last time someone mentioned Bingo cards re predictable things people would say, it caused a huge amount of outrage on Mumsnet.

Maybe you're on safer grounds with the Iran war than the Gaza war but I don't know.

Unless you have evidence that the Kuwait desalination plant was somehow a military desalination plant - which no one else is suggesting - you are just arguing for the sake of it.

We either agree with the bombing of this site or consider it a potential war crime.

Thrashing this topic to death when the answer is clear is just boring now so I'll leave you to it.

Ahh. It was not on my Bingo card that Trump would make this a religious war. I thought that would be Hegseth.

You done that thing of misrepresenting what posters say again.

I said this:

"And yes, I totally agree it is wrong to attack civilian desal plants. It's not black and white though."

You say I said this:

" totally agree that it is wrong to attack desalination plants (they are all civilian)."

You removed a condition from what I said, and you replaced it with an unestablished "fact". We do not know if the US military operate their own plants. Or are they effectively trying to "shield" themselves by plumbing their bases into civilian supplies. The latter point surely has ethical issues worth discussing ?

In any case, it does not matter what I think, it's what the law says that matters.

And the law is really is not black and white, as that article explains. Do you agree the law is not black and white ? Because it is the law we should be discussing. Not what we think.

And

Senator Lindsey Graham after speaking with Trump: “I am completely convinced that he will use overwhelming military force against the regime if they continue to impede the Strait of Hormuz and refuse a diplomatic solution to achieve our military objectives."

Trump has posted this

“Remember when I gave Iran ten days to MAKE A DEAL or OPEN UP THE HORMUZ STRAIT. Time is running out - 48 hours before all Hell will reign down on them. Glory be to GOD! President DONALD J. TRUMP”

I have argued that some IDF actions are proportionate.

Not everything they have done.

Every situation is different and nuanced so it's not just a case of "being consistent."

Attacking water desalination plants is wrong whether done by Iran, Israel or the US because everyone has the right to water. Plus the Kuwait site was not a military site or a site built on top of a military command centre or a site with terrorists hiding in tunnels underneath, it's just a desalination plant.

I think that article I stumbled across is fairly typical of many doing the rounds on for example the use of certain munitions or actually striking certain targets such as civilian infrastructure.

On many occasions an act immediately looks like a foul to the naked eye ..."war crime" is the cry, but then read the fine print contained the conventions or laws and the legalise kicks in to muddy the water...e.g. in this case "heightened protection", not complete protection, "generally prohibited" not completely and then mention of an Additional Protocol.....

"...can attacks on desalination plants be lawful? This post argues that as desalination plants qualify as objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population under international humanitarian law (IHL), and therefore enjoy heightened protection. Any attack on them, including those framed as reprisals, is generally prohibited, except in the circumstances enshrined under Additional Protocol I (AP I)"

Is there a lawyer in the house?

Glad you totally agree that it is wrong to attack desalination plants (they are all civilian).

That's all that needs to be said really.

You have, over many threads, argued that IDF actions in Gaza are proportionate and not war crimes, even when hospitals and schools destroyed, medics targeted, Journalists killed

Because Hamas use tunnels/ambulances/human shields etc etc....

At least be consistent.

It's not twisty logic. It's just logic. @notimagain posted a good article. Have a read and apply the same logic as, for example. the IDF in Gaza.

And consider what I replied to notimagain with. Are the US technically using civvie plants as a sort of shield ?

It's not black and white, is it ?