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UN Security Council to vote on Strait of Hormuz

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Twiglets1 · 03/04/2026 07:55

The UN Security Council’s vote on a proposal to ensure the safety of ships in the Strait of Hormuz has been rescheduled from Friday to Saturday, according to media reports.

The council’s 15 members are set to vote on a resolution from Bahrain aimed at protecting commercial shipping in the critical waterway, which usually carries about one-fifth of global oil and natural gas supplies.

The Associated Press and Reuters news agencies have reported that a draft resolution includes text authorising countries “to use all defensive means necessary” to protect commercial shipping.

The proposal is considered unlikely to pass, as China, a veto-wielding permanent member of the council, has made it clear that it opposes any resolution that mentions the use of force.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2026/4/2/iran-war-live-trump-to-address-nation-tehran-denies-seeking-ceasefire

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EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 18:11

RedTagAlan · 03/04/2026 18:05

Fair enough. You are not accusing me.

As a reminder of a post I made to you on another thread, 75% of the worlds population live in authoritarian countries. And I would hate to see the UK join them. in terms of freedom of speech being controlled, or even difference of opinion being frowned upon. Link below.

By the way, what do the polls say on UK public support for this war ?

Last poll I saw put UK support at about 28%. I don't support it, as I have made clear. So that puts me in the majority.

New “Tyranny Tracker” maps the world’s authori­tarian regimes (democracywithoutborders.org)

I haven’t changed my view particularly but wouldn’t have said it if you hadn’t been accusatory and reductive in your post.

On support, separate out how bad the IRGC are to what should be done about it. It’s fine to agree they use oppressive and use hideous methods and not want the action now taken. Better than minimising what the IRGC do.

As for freedom of speech yes it’s good to protect it but you’re on a losing battle with terrorist proscription. It’s not something anyone will change politically. Are you in the U.K. or somewhere that doesn’t have the same?

Twiglets1 · 03/04/2026 18:09

RedTagAlan · 03/04/2026 18:05

Fair enough. You are not accusing me.

As a reminder of a post I made to you on another thread, 75% of the worlds population live in authoritarian countries. And I would hate to see the UK join them. in terms of freedom of speech being controlled, or even difference of opinion being frowned upon. Link below.

By the way, what do the polls say on UK public support for this war ?

Last poll I saw put UK support at about 28%. I don't support it, as I have made clear. So that puts me in the majority.

New “Tyranny Tracker” maps the world’s authori­tarian regimes (democracywithoutborders.org)

lol at the idea of the UK being put in the category of an authoritarian country.

You're entertaining sometimes, I'll give you that.

Unintentionally maybe but still.

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Twiglets1 · 03/04/2026 18:06

RedTagAlan · 03/04/2026 17:27

Are you talking about reporting me ?

I have no idea what MN rules are regarding supporting the IRGC, but if it was against their rules would you be reporting posters you suspect of supporting a brutal theocratic organization because they disagree with your position on a war ?

Basically because they don't match your model of ideological standards/purity ?

Is that not what the IRGC do ? And other authoritarian regimes too? Likes of China is famous for that . Gotta adhere to the Party line.

Something like 75% of the worlds population live in authoritarian states. Is that not enough ?

Apologies if I have got that wrong. But there is deffo a theme on these threads. Disagree and you are automatically "one of them".

Me: It's very easy to report but no one would bother as supporting the IRGC is not against MN site rules.

You: Are you talking about reporting me ?

No I am not reporting anyone.

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RedTagAlan · 03/04/2026 18:05

EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 17:45

I was matching the energy of your you support Trump post.

Fair enough. You are not accusing me.

As a reminder of a post I made to you on another thread, 75% of the worlds population live in authoritarian countries. And I would hate to see the UK join them. in terms of freedom of speech being controlled, or even difference of opinion being frowned upon. Link below.

By the way, what do the polls say on UK public support for this war ?

Last poll I saw put UK support at about 28%. I don't support it, as I have made clear. So that puts me in the majority.

New “Tyranny Tracker” maps the world’s authori­tarian regimes (democracywithoutborders.org)

New “Tyranny Tracker” maps the world’s authori­tarian regimes

A new index by Human Rights Foundation rates 179 countries as democratic, hybrid or authoritarian, using electoral competition, freedom of dissent, and institutional accountability for regime classification.

https://www.democracywithoutborders.org/40940/new-tyranny-tracker-maps-the-worlds-authoritarian-regimes/#:~:text=HRF%20notes%20that%20according%20to%20the%20tracker%E2%80%99s%20current,percent%20of%20the%20world%E2%80%99s%20population%20lives%20under%20authoritarianism.

EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 17:45

RedTagAlan · 03/04/2026 17:37

And you think people here post stuff supporting them ? I can't say I have seen any.

Do you think I support them ?

I was matching the energy of your you support Trump post.

RedTagAlan · 03/04/2026 17:37

EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 17:30

Only the pp brought up reporting not @Twiglets1no one is reporting you.

But when the org is proscribed later this year mnhq will delete posts that support them online, as they do for Hamas now.

And you think people here post stuff supporting them ? I can't say I have seen any.

Do you think I support them ?

TopPocketFind · 03/04/2026 17:33

I have to say I never thought that my advice of reporting rather then accusing was so contentious 😂

EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 17:30

RedTagAlan · 03/04/2026 17:27

Are you talking about reporting me ?

I have no idea what MN rules are regarding supporting the IRGC, but if it was against their rules would you be reporting posters you suspect of supporting a brutal theocratic organization because they disagree with your position on a war ?

Basically because they don't match your model of ideological standards/purity ?

Is that not what the IRGC do ? And other authoritarian regimes too? Likes of China is famous for that . Gotta adhere to the Party line.

Something like 75% of the worlds population live in authoritarian states. Is that not enough ?

Apologies if I have got that wrong. But there is deffo a theme on these threads. Disagree and you are automatically "one of them".

Only the pp brought up reporting not @Twiglets1no one is reporting you.

But when the org is proscribed later this year mnhq will delete posts that support them online, as they do for Hamas now.

RedTagAlan · 03/04/2026 17:27

Twiglets1 · 03/04/2026 17:00

It's very easy to report but no one would bother as supporting the IRGC is not against MN site rules.

Are you talking about reporting me ?

I have no idea what MN rules are regarding supporting the IRGC, but if it was against their rules would you be reporting posters you suspect of supporting a brutal theocratic organization because they disagree with your position on a war ?

Basically because they don't match your model of ideological standards/purity ?

Is that not what the IRGC do ? And other authoritarian regimes too? Likes of China is famous for that . Gotta adhere to the Party line.

Something like 75% of the worlds population live in authoritarian states. Is that not enough ?

Apologies if I have got that wrong. But there is deffo a theme on these threads. Disagree and you are automatically "one of them".

Twiglets1 · 03/04/2026 17:00

TopPocketFind · 03/04/2026 16:56

I guess it is difficult to report when you know it is untrue.

It's very easy to report but no one would bother as supporting the IRGC is not against MN site rules.

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EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 16:58

TopPocketFind · 03/04/2026 16:56

I guess it is difficult to report when you know it is untrue.

No one is asking you to report.. or to not follow Trump’s social media posts either.

TopPocketFind · 03/04/2026 16:56

I guess it is difficult to report when you know it is untrue.

Twiglets1 · 03/04/2026 16:51

TopPocketFind · 03/04/2026 16:48

I am not accusing anyone of supporting the IRCG

If I thought someone did, then I would report it.

Why? What could MN do when they are not a proscribed organisation in the UK yet?

Different situation to Hamas which people know they cannot openly support as proscribed organisation.

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EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 16:50

TopPocketFind · 03/04/2026 16:48

I am not accusing anyone of supporting the IRCG

If I thought someone did, then I would report it.

They’re not proscribed yet, they will be this year.

Do as you like though.

TopPocketFind · 03/04/2026 16:48

EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 16:42

Idk ask them

I am not accusing anyone of supporting the IRCG

If I thought someone did, then I would report it.

EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 16:42

TopPocketFind · 03/04/2026 16:42

MN is very good at deleting pro Russian posters on the Ukraine thread, why wouldn't they do the same on these threads?

Idk ask them

TopPocketFind · 03/04/2026 16:42

MN is very good at deleting pro Russian posters on the Ukraine thread, why wouldn't they do the same on these threads?

EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 16:38

TopPocketFind · 03/04/2026 16:25

You have implied that multiple times and every time it has been explained to you how that is not the case.

Do we need to end posts now with 'that does not mean I support the IRGC'?

If you have any evidence of your claim that people here are supporting the IRGC, I hope you have reported that to MN

(and yes I know you didn't address me on this occassion)

Say what you want. Why would mn do anything anyway they’re not proscribed yet, but will be this year tg.

I returned the favour to the pp re their Trump post. It looks like they follow his words and tweets more than I do on a social media so they can work out what he means.

TopPocketFind · 03/04/2026 16:25

EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 15:21

I’ll return your post with that’s how I feel about your posts and support for the IRGC.

Nice try though you can ask others.

You have implied that multiple times and every time it has been explained to you how that is not the case.

Do we need to end posts now with 'that does not mean I support the IRGC'?

If you have any evidence of your claim that people here are supporting the IRGC, I hope you have reported that to MN

(and yes I know you didn't address me on this occassion)

RedTagAlan · 03/04/2026 15:42

Twiglets1 · 03/04/2026 13:49

Iran allows French ship through Strait of Hormuz

Iran has allowed a French ship through the Strait of Hormuz a day after Emmanuel Macron criticised Donald Trump.

The Kribi, a Malta-flagged ship owned by French logistics giant CMA CGM, is the first Western vessel to exit the Gulf since the war with Iran began.

Ships from countries like China, Pakistan and the Philippines have safely passed through the strait in recent days.

Mr Macron, the French president, hit out at Mr Trump on Thursday, questioning his war goals and accusing the president of contradicting himself.

He also said reopening the strait using military force was “unrealistic”.

Iran’s military said the strait would remain closed to the US and Israel in the “long term”.

But the regime is believed to be operating a “toll booth” where vessels are charged up to $2m (£1.5m) to cross the strait, through which 20 per cent of the world’s oil normally transits.

Ship tracking data showed the French-owned vessel navigating the strait close to Iran’s coastline. It is unclear if the Kribi paid a fee.

The UK said on Thursday that it would “comprehensively reject” any attempt by Iran to charge ships fees for transiting through the water corridor.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/04/03/iran-war-latest-news-trump-israel-strait-of-hormuz-missiles/

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A Japanese tanker now too. I suspect it's not a coincidence that Macron has just been in Japan for 3 day, and is now in South Korea.

So if a South Korean ship gets through, I think it would be a fair conclusion that Macron has some sort of diplomatic channel open ?

EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 15:33

RedTagAlan · 03/04/2026 15:30

I don't support the IRGC. I am just plain old against war. Especially this pointless one.

Well don’t come at me with tweets I don’t even follow, you can knock yourself out with Trump posts and ask others what they mean.

RedTagAlan · 03/04/2026 15:30

EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 15:21

I’ll return your post with that’s how I feel about your posts and support for the IRGC.

Nice try though you can ask others.

I don't support the IRGC. I am just plain old against war. Especially this pointless one.

EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 15:21

RedTagAlan · 03/04/2026 15:19

Cool. I don't use social media. I get news from Sky and CNN mainly. I just wondered.

I do think what Trump posts is very important though. He did start this war after all, and he is the main player in it. And as you do appear to support him in it, I thought you might know what his words mean.

I’ll return your post with that’s how I feel about your posts and support for the IRGC.

Nice try though you can ask others.

RedTagAlan · 03/04/2026 15:19

EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 15:11

I don’t do X or TS, tweets are not what I rely on. I listen to the radio a lot which is great for analysis and have a news app. I’m not really the one to engage in screen shots of tweets.

Re that line people will be as sure as you are on what it means, which is ‘who knows’.

Cool. I don't use social media. I get news from Sky and CNN mainly. I just wondered.

I do think what Trump posts is very important though. He did start this war after all, and he is the main player in it. And as you do appear to support him in it, I thought you might know what his words mean.

EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 15:11

RedTagAlan · 03/04/2026 15:07

I mean Trumps social media post:

“With a little more time, we can easily OPEN THE HORMUZ STRAIT, TAKE THE OIL, & MAKE A FORTUNE,”

That is what Trump wrote and posted. Who do you think "we" is ? And does he mean steal ?

As a matter of interest, if you don't pay much attention to what is put out, where do you get your info from? You appear to know a lot about what is going on.

The Insurance stuff never happened. Trump said it would then nothing.

I don’t do X or TS, tweets are not what I rely on. I listen to the radio a lot which is great for analysis and have a news app. I’m not really the one to engage in screen shots of tweets.

Re that line people will be as sure as you are on what it means, which is ‘who knows’.

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