UN Security Council to vote on Strait of Hormuz

No. There’s nothing stopping the pp posting the name of a reputable index that shows what they think is the case.

The UK is a democracy in any reputable index despite posters listing various elements.

Didn't @RedTagAlan explain why they couldn't comply with the request?

On undemocratic UK institutions. The House of Lords.

Threads are bestest when they stray into more interesting territory.😎

@Twiglets1 what @RedTagAlan is saying about democracy is that it hangs on the parameters used for definition in the index. I would add that methodology is also relevant.
As an aside re definitions, China is now being described as an example of 'authoritarian capitalism'. From what I witnessed there in 2008, I agree.

Disclaimer, before I get accused of something or another again. 🙄
I believe that the UK is fighting to remain a functioning democracy but several undemocratic practices do exist. #fptp

And @Twiglets1is asking for a reputable index that uses any other parameters that underpins their thinking.

Threads are bestest when they stray into more interesting territory.😎

@Twiglets1 what @RedTagAlan is saying about democracy is that it hangs on the parameters used for definition in the index. I would add that methodology is also relevant.
As an aside re definitions, China is now being described as an example of 'authoritarian capitalism'. From what I witnessed there in 2008, I agree.

Disclaimer, before I get accused of something or another again. 🙄
I believe that the UK is fighting to remain a functioning democracy but several undemocratic practices do exist. #fptp

Yup… it’s a strange thing for someone to question. Just because the UK is starting to take a stricter stance on hate speech or marching in support of terrorists that doesn’t somehow mean we’re no longer a democracy.

Living in a democracy doesn’t mean you can say and do exactly what you want! No functioning society allows that.

Show me a reputable index that doesn't class the UK as a democracy.

Thank you for the explanation. I had looked it up but wasn't sure it applied in the specific case.

Iran has an extremely longgggggg memory. People tend to forget that Iran was occupied during both World War 1 and World War 2 by the allies.

Their first democratically elected leader was removed after an American/UK led coup jn 1953 under operation Ajax, where local Iranian youth were paid to start riots (sound familiar?) and an unpopular British selected Shah was reinstalled.

Due to this Iranians are fiercely independent, Putin revealed that they didn't even sign the mutual agreement with Russia until January this year and even doing that was fiercely debated within Iran. The weapons they use are mostly produced in Iran, this is to avoid the situation like during the Iraq war where due to sanctions they were unable to use their American bought weapons as they needed spare parts. It also reduces the leverage their allies have to pressure them by threatening to withdraw weapons/assistance.

On the PRC, I think you misunderstand them, yes the horrors Japanese occupation inflicted on the Chinese people during WW2 were horrific (comfort women etc.) and are not forgotten.

However hatred/revenge does not drive their foreign policy. A strong prosperous Japan that can buy Chinese products (ironically things like TVs that Japan used to be famous for) and is also questioning the utility of having American bases in Japan is far more important in the long run.

One of the Colonel's that I listen to said that a mistake we make in the West when thinking about our "adversaries" is that we attribute behaviour to them that we would do. Example: Logically now would be the best time for XI to "take back" Taiwan as that's what we would do.

Show me a reputable index that doesn't class the UK as a democracy.

Iran has an extremely longgggggg memory. People tend to forget that Iran was occupied during both World War 1 and World War 2 by the allies.

Their first democratically elected leader was removed after an American/UK led coup jn 1953 under operation Ajax, where local Iranian youth were paid to start riots (sound familiar?) and an unpopular British selected Shah was reinstalled.

Due to this Iranians are fiercely independent, Putin revealed that they didn't even sign the mutual agreement with Russia until January this year and even doing that was fiercely debated within Iran. The weapons they use are mostly produced in Iran, this is to avoid the situation like during the Iraq war where due to sanctions they were unable to use their American bought weapons as they needed spare parts. It also reduces the leverage their allies have to pressure them by threatening to withdraw weapons/assistance.

On the PRC, I think you misunderstand them, yes the horrors Japanese occupation inflicted on the Chinese people during WW2 were horrific (comfort women etc.) and are not forgotten.

However hatred/revenge does not drive their foreign policy. A strong prosperous Japan that can buy Chinese products (ironically things like TVs that Japan used to be famous for) and is also questioning the utility of having American bases in Japan is far more important in the long run.

One of the Colonel's that I listen to said that a mistake we make in the West when thinking about our "adversaries" is that we attribute behaviour to them that we would do. Example: Logically now would be the best time for XI to "take back" Taiwan as that's what we would do.

Vote farming is just where countries "buy" UN votes. See the PRC belt and road thing. It's not often in mainstream news, but is among "China watchers". China for example is trying to get the UN Human Rights stuff changed. And it needs votes. One of the things it wants to change is to add "access to high speed rail" as a Human right. The right to "live peacefully and have a stable Government". Yup. They really do.

Also access to resources and all that, but UN votes are very sought after if one does not have many pals in the world.

One of the Colonel's that I listen to said that a mistake we make in the West when thinking about our "adversaries" is that we attribute behaviour to them that we would do. Example: Logically now would be the best time for XI to "take back" Taiwan as that's what we would do.

I'm interested in Chinese culture and have to constantly remind friends that they don't think like us. I once mentioned 30 year business planning to a Chinese colleague who replied, it's more like 100 years. #byd

The Economist Democracy Index divides countries into full democracies, flawed democracies, hybrid regimes and authoritarian regimes.

Examples of full democracies: Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Spain, Greece, Ireland and the UK.

Examples of flawed democracies: India, Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand, Chile, Israel, Poland, France, Italy, Hungary, Argentina, South Africa and the US.

Examples of hybrid regimes: Romania, Zambia, Peru, Senegal, Mexico, Morocco, Tunisia, Ukraine, Turkey, Bangladesh and Hong Kong.

Examples of authoritarian regimes: Lebanon, Algeria, Palestine, Rwanda, Qatar, UAE, Zimbabwe, Pakistan, Iraq, Egypt, China, Russia, Iran, Syria & Afghanistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

The Economist Democracy Index divides countries into full democracies, flawed democracies, hybrid regimes and authoritarian regimes.

Examples of full democracies: Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Spain, Greece, Ireland and the UK.

Examples of flawed democracies: India, Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand, Chile, Israel, Poland, France, Italy, Hungary, Argentina, South Africa and the US.

Examples of hybrid regimes: Romania, Zambia, Peru, Senegal, Mexico, Morocco, Tunisia, Ukraine, Turkey, Bangladesh and Hong Kong.

Examples of authoritarian regimes: Lebanon, Algeria, Palestine, Rwanda, Qatar, UAE, Zimbabwe, Pakistan, Iraq, Egypt, China, Russia, Iran, Syria & Afghanistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

The Economist Democracy Index divides countries into full democracies, flawed democracies, hybrid regimes and authoritarian regimes.

Examples of full democracies: Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Spain, Greece, Ireland and the UK.

Examples of flawed democracies: India, Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand, Chile, Israel, Poland, France, Italy, Hungary, Argentina, South Africa and the US.

Examples of hybrid regimes: Romania, Zambia, Peru, Senegal, Mexico, Morocco, Tunisia, Ukraine, Turkey, Bangladesh and Hong Kong.

Examples of authoritarian regimes: Lebanon, Algeria, Palestine, Rwanda, Qatar, UAE, Zimbabwe, Pakistan, Iraq, Egypt, China, Russia, Iran, Syria & Afghanistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

Quote "During the Saddam Hussein initiated Wsr against Iran in the 1980s, Japan remained neutral, unlike many other countries who helped fund and supplied weapons to Iraq. Japan remained one of Iran’s biggest trading partners continuing to buy Oil, providing a lifeline to buy essentials to support ordinary Iranians."

I never knew that. Thanks for the info.

So based on that, it appears that Iran is not being overly influenced by the PRC, and that they have a long memory. I would say there is near nothing more the PRC would like to see than the Japanese economy collapse.

Yes, your last para' makes sense.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'vote farming' in this instance though.
The French seem to have become more dovish. A wise move imo.