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Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks

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CanAnybodyFindMe · 31/03/2026 14:07

“Israel's far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir wore a noose pin on his lapel to signal his support for the bill”

I first heard about this on Facebook and thought it might be anti-Israel fake news. But no, it’s true.

Absolutely horrifying and sickening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

Itamar Ben-Gvir wearing a black suit, red tie and white kippah, talking on a podium in front of Israeli flags

Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks face death penalty under new Israeli law

The new law, passed on Monday, was pushed hard by the far-right and Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

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Martymcfly24 · 30/04/2026 19:49

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 19:42

Yes and many of us have mentioned in the past that after reporting racist and dehumanising posts about Palestinians we've been told to challenge it in the thread and it wasn't deleted, doubtful this happens to other communities

I have seen that repeatedly. Same with the disgusting dehumanizing posts such as there is no famine when it was clearly declared under international guidelines. Supposedly that is not misinformation.

There is a very serious anti Muslim rhetoric that is pervasive in the site .

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 19:48

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 19:42

Yes and many of us have mentioned in the past that after reporting racist and dehumanising posts about Palestinians we've been told to challenge it in the thread and it wasn't deleted, doubtful this happens to other communities

Let me reassure you about that.

I have sometimes reported posts I consider to be racist or antisemitic and MN has given me the same line about challenging it in the thread and not deleted it.

Challenging it in the thread leads to long debates which isn't always what you want ... but ultimately it's up to MN and the mods don't always agree with those of us who report posts that they break site guidelines.

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 19:43

FloralDeerPattern · 30/04/2026 19:33

Perhaps but these posts were up for hours and hours before I saw them, they were very nasty blantently anti muslim posts, no maybe are they crossing a line. Some posters agreed with them, your post which was 3 posts after one of the awful comments said 'Agree with above comments' but obviously didn't get as far as 3 posts above yours with your reading. It's a shame that you didn't having awful posts like that up for hours unchallenged really isn't nice.

Yeah I don't often get accused of not reporting enough posts.

I certainly would have reported an obviously racist post if I had seen it. The good thing is we are all free to report posts and they do get removed if they break site guidelines.

whoamI00 · 30/04/2026 19:42

www.adalah.org/uploads/uploads/Briefing_Paper_Death_Penalty_Bill_26_March_2026.pdf

This document, dated March 26, 2026, updated on adalah.org, contains background to the bill, who it applies to, execution procedures, and why it violates international law.

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 19:42

Martymcfly24 · 30/04/2026 19:33

I also remember a fantastic muslim poster that was so fair and knowledgeable whose thread about the murdered filmmaker was deleted because the anti Palestine posters came on to start the usual deflection and insults. Didn't see them much after that

Yes and many of us have mentioned in the past that after reporting racist and dehumanising posts about Palestinians we've been told to challenge it in the thread and it wasn't deleted, doubtful this happens to other communities

Martymcfly24 · 30/04/2026 19:33

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 19:31

I wonder if Muslim posters still post here?
There were some lovely balanced respectful Palestinian posters at the beginning but they were soon piled on and stopped posting. One particular poster had friends who had been killed working as medics in Gaza and had to put up with posters who were suggesting they were killed because they were Hamas it was dreadful. They no longer post.

I also remember a fantastic muslim poster that was so fair and knowledgeable whose thread about the murdered filmmaker was deleted because the anti Palestine posters came on to start the usual deflection and insults. Didn't see them much after that

FloralDeerPattern · 30/04/2026 19:33

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 19:23

Report racism where you see it and I will do the same where I see it. I have reported racist posts against Muslims myself in the past, though I don't know which posts you are referring to on this occasion. I was pretty busy just reading all the posts I was tagged in tbh.

I don't think you can should assume you were the only person who reported the posts though, there may have been others and that is why they got prioritised in the report queue for deletion.

Perhaps but these posts were up for hours and hours before I saw them, they were very nasty blantently anti muslim posts, no maybe are they crossing a line. Some posters agreed with them, your post which was 3 posts after one of the awful comments said 'Agree with above comments' but obviously didn't get as far as 3 posts above yours with your reading. It's a shame that you didn't having awful posts like that up for hours unchallenged really isn't nice.

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 19:31

FloralDeerPattern · 30/04/2026 19:08

@Twiglets1 I wonder if Muslim posters still post here? I read a thread on this board earlier with 2 very blantant anti Muslim posts on a short enough thread, they had been up for hours before I saw them, lots of people including yourself had posted after those posts so presumably read them but not a single person challenged these posters. Presumably they weren't reported either considering mumsnet took them down almost immediately after I reported them for spreading hate.

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I wonder if Muslim posters still post here?
There were some lovely balanced respectful Palestinian posters at the beginning but they were soon piled on and stopped posting. One particular poster had friends who had been killed working as medics in Gaza and had to put up with posters who were suggesting they were killed because they were Hamas it was dreadful. They no longer post.

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 19:27

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 18:55

Well you make the pro Palestinian posters sound so lovely and respectful @Boolabus

Yet that's not my experience on these threads or presumably, the experience of all the Jewish and pro Israel posters who have chosen not to post on this board anymore because it's so toxic.

Still, I would like to move forward positively so I'm hoping we can all continue more politely in future. A girl can dream!

Well you make the pro Palestinian posters sound so lovely and respectful
I was highlighting what happened with one thread.

I'll repeat
Well it's a public forum and there are extreme views all over this site.

You see what you want to see.

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 19:23

FloralDeerPattern · 30/04/2026 19:08

@Twiglets1 I wonder if Muslim posters still post here? I read a thread on this board earlier with 2 very blantant anti Muslim posts on a short enough thread, they had been up for hours before I saw them, lots of people including yourself had posted after those posts so presumably read them but not a single person challenged these posters. Presumably they weren't reported either considering mumsnet took them down almost immediately after I reported them for spreading hate.

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Report racism where you see it and I will do the same where I see it. I have reported racist posts against Muslims myself in the past, though I don't know which posts you are referring to on this occasion. I was pretty busy just reading all the posts I was tagged in tbh.

I don't think you can should assume you were the only person who reported the posts though, there may have been others and that is why they got prioritised in the report queue for deletion.

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 19:13

MissyB1 · 30/04/2026 19:01

No one forces you to keep posting. If this board is so toxic why are you all over it with so many threads and so many posts?

Whatever makes you think I would want to justify myself to you. I don't.

FloralDeerPattern · 30/04/2026 19:08

@Twiglets1 I wonder if Muslim posters still post here? I read a thread on this board earlier with 2 very blantant anti Muslim posts on a short enough thread, they had been up for hours before I saw them, lots of people including yourself had posted after those posts so presumably read them but not a single person challenged these posters. Presumably they weren't reported either considering mumsnet took them down almost immediately after I reported them for spreading hate.

MissyB1 · 30/04/2026 19:01

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 18:55

Well you make the pro Palestinian posters sound so lovely and respectful @Boolabus

Yet that's not my experience on these threads or presumably, the experience of all the Jewish and pro Israel posters who have chosen not to post on this board anymore because it's so toxic.

Still, I would like to move forward positively so I'm hoping we can all continue more politely in future. A girl can dream!

No one forces you to keep posting. If this board is so toxic why are you all over it with so many threads and so many posts?

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 18:55

Well you make the pro Palestinian posters sound so lovely and respectful @Boolabus

Yet that's not my experience on these threads or presumably, the experience of all the Jewish and pro Israel posters who have chosen not to post on this board anymore because it's so toxic.

Still, I would like to move forward positively so I'm hoping we can all continue more politely in future. A girl can dream!

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 17:57

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 17:01

The vast majority of posters on those threads (the long running hostage ones) were on the pro Israel side @Boolabus and we kept on topic and peaceful. A few from "the other side" did pop up and be nasty on occasion, I think they were the only deletions.

As for you saying "what most of us stand for" the group you refer to is not a homogenous group, as you referred to yourself earlier. It seems to me that some are more extreme than others in their views and they most definitely are not respectful to anyone with a different opinion.

That thread was respected by "both" sides, maybe there was a random cruel poster every now and again but for the most part it was not derailed.

we kept on topic and peaceful.
And you were left to do that, that's my point!

As for you saying "what most of us stand for" the group you refer to is not a homogenous group,
No we're not but most of the individuals stand for peace, justice and human rights it is obvious by how they post, similar values doesn't equal homogeneous

It seems to me that some are more extreme than others in their views and they most definitely are not respectful to anyone with a different opinion.
Well it's a public forum and there are extreme views all over this site. There were posts deleted on this thread yesterday that had questionable views. None of the threads are immune to that.

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 17:01

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 16:16

Apologies, for continuing with derail. I just find it hard to believe the penny hasn't dropped for some on what most of us stand for.

The vast majority of posters on those threads (the long running hostage ones) were on the pro Israel side @Boolabus and we kept on topic and peaceful. A few from "the other side" did pop up and be nasty on occasion, I think they were the only deletions.

As for you saying "what most of us stand for" the group you refer to is not a homogenous group, as you referred to yourself earlier. It seems to me that some are more extreme than others in their views and they most definitely are not respectful to anyone with a different opinion.

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 16:16

Stirabout · 30/04/2026 15:56

Thanks Twiglets but this thread is about the injustice of the new Israeli death penalty
So yep
another thread about another Israeli injustice

I’m in the right place then 👍

Apologies, for continuing with derail. I just find it hard to believe the penny hasn't dropped for some on what most of us stand for.

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 16:13

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 15:48

I don't agree with the death penalty either - said that early on.

Still got criticised even though I thought this was a topic we could almost all agree on. Ah well.

@FloralDeerPattern the long running hostage thread was completely different. It was run with great respect and delicacy. We could have got all argumentative by starting to debate about how much we hated the people who captured the hostages or turned a blind eye to it or coming up with wild theories we saw on TikTok but I think 99% of the people who posted on that thread just wanted to keep it peaceful.

99% of the people who posted on that thread just wanted to keep it peaceful.
Because the majority of posters are respectful and the majority of posters who are against the atrocities to Palestinians are against atrocities to any group of people. That's why you rarely if ever see any justification for attacks against Israeli innocent civilians

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 16:04

Stirabout · 30/04/2026 15:56

Thanks Twiglets but this thread is about the injustice of the new Israeli death penalty
So yep
another thread about another Israeli injustice

I’m in the right place then 👍

Thank you for confirming that I hate the fact we can’t just have a conversation about Israeli injustices is just not true.

As you were.

Stirabout · 30/04/2026 15:56

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 15:51

You can have a conversation about Israeli injustices - there's a whole thread on it which no pro Israel person goes near apart from by mistake.

Said not to further divert but to correct misinformation.

Thanks Twiglets but this thread is about the injustice of the new Israeli death penalty
So yep
another thread about another Israeli injustice

I’m in the right place then 👍

Stirabout · 30/04/2026 15:54

FloralDeerPattern · 30/04/2026 15:44

I agree the UK governments reactions is very weak. They have completely ignored the ICJs recommendations when it comes to action on Israel, it makes you wonder what the point of these world courts etc is when when it comes down to it if it is an ally behaving appallingly countries are willing to turn a blind eye.

Agree
and I do think the ‘World Courts’ should have more power

Hefty sanctions a long time ago may have saved thousands of lives

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 15:51

Stirabout · 30/04/2026 15:30

I do it myself it’s hard not to when ‘some things’ are being thrown out
i hate the tactic to divert
I hate the fact we can’t just have a conversation about Israeli injustices

Anyway that’s my last 🤐

No ones even commented on Israel extending the death penalty to the West Bank !!!

You can have a conversation about Israeli injustices - there's a whole thread on it which no pro Israel person goes near apart from by mistake.

Said not to further divert but to correct misinformation.

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 15:48

Ihatetomatoes · 30/04/2026 15:16

I won't reply to anymore posts on this thread. No point since any answering posts on a slightly different topic gets a standard 'back to the thread response' however, it appears some don't listen to their own message to do that.

For what it's worth. I don't agree with the death penalty and have said so before. Best to unwatch lots of these threads since posters don't want people to reply to some of the comments they themselves make 🙄

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I don't agree with the death penalty either - said that early on.

Still got criticised even though I thought this was a topic we could almost all agree on. Ah well.

@FloralDeerPattern the long running hostage thread was completely different. It was run with great respect and delicacy. We could have got all argumentative by starting to debate about how much we hated the people who captured the hostages or turned a blind eye to it or coming up with wild theories we saw on TikTok but I think 99% of the people who posted on that thread just wanted to keep it peaceful.

FloralDeerPattern · 30/04/2026 15:44

Stirabout · 30/04/2026 15:40

This is all so far from our Government

News story
Joint statement on Israel's Death Penalty Bill: 29 March 2026
English
العربيَّة
Statement by the Foreign Ministers of Australia, Germany, France, Italy, New Zealand and the United Kingdom on Israel's Death Penalty Bill.
From:
Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office and The Rt Hon Yvette Cooper MP
Published
29 March 2026

We, the Foreign Ministers of Australia, Germany, France, Italy, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, express our deep concern about a bill that would significantly expand the possibilities to impose the death penalty in Israel and that could be voted into law next week. We are particularly worried about the de facto discriminatory character of the bill. The adoption of this bill would risk undermining Israel’s commitments with regards to democratic principles.
The death penalty is an inhumane and degrading form of punishment without any deterring effect. This is why we oppose the death penalty, whatever the circumstances around the world. The rejection of the death penalty is a fundamental value that unites us.
We urge the Israeli decision makers in Knesset and Government to abandon these plans.’

🤨
im sure Netanyahu and the Israeli Government are really scared and they’ll stop

I agree the UK governments reactions is very weak. They have completely ignored the ICJs recommendations when it comes to action on Israel, it makes you wonder what the point of these world courts etc is when when it comes down to it if it is an ally behaving appallingly countries are willing to turn a blind eye.

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 15:40

Stirabout · 30/04/2026 15:09

This is my last comment on the derail
Massive pile ons in the early days
Mnet delete if lots of people complain that they are hurt by comments.
It doesn’t mean antisemitism and this has been discussed to death on mumsnet for years !

This thread

is about
The Israeli death penalty

I’m done with this derail
and I will discuss the abhorrent actions of the IDF and the Israeli Government as much as I see fit. I will not feel I have to caveat that with anything else to make anyone on here feel better about what the Israeli Government are doing
in Palestine
in Iran
in Lebanon
and in Israel

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Sometimes it is just antisemitism though when posts get deleted.

MN do not delete individual posts just because people get upset - there has to be a valid reason!