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Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks

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CanAnybodyFindMe · 31/03/2026 14:07

“Israel's far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir wore a noose pin on his lapel to signal his support for the bill”

I first heard about this on Facebook and thought it might be anti-Israel fake news. But no, it’s true.

Absolutely horrifying and sickening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

Itamar Ben-Gvir wearing a black suit, red tie and white kippah, talking on a podium in front of Israeli flags

Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks face death penalty under new Israeli law

The new law, passed on Monday, was pushed hard by the far-right and Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

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Stirabout · 01/05/2026 15:05

FloralDeerPattern · 01/05/2026 15:03

Were you? Because this is copy and paste what I said.

But nonsense claims about training dogs to rape are propagated by people in authority like Francesca Albanese. - a post denying sexual violence towards Palestinians from yesterday.

You are calling sexual violence towards Palestinians 'nonsense claims' that is denying sexual violence towards Palestinians which is what I said you did. Obviously you feel that you have your own reasons to deny sexual violence towards Palestinians, I'm not really interested in those.

Point to the bit where you were accused of 'denying that there could possibly have been any sexual abuse of Palestinian detainees'? You denied sexual violence towards Palestinians, I never said all or any. Own your words and stop accusing people of bollocks or at least have the manners to tag me so I can prove you wrong.

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FloralDeerPattern · 01/05/2026 15:03

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 12:50

But then I've been accused of denying that there could possibly have been any sexual abuse of Palestinian detainees when I had said nothing of the sort and when my post is clearly visible for all to see.

So I'm sceptical as to what was said on a post that may never have existed.

Were you? Because this is copy and paste what I said.

But nonsense claims about training dogs to rape are propagated by people in authority like Francesca Albanese. - a post denying sexual violence towards Palestinians from yesterday.

You are calling sexual violence towards Palestinians 'nonsense claims' that is denying sexual violence towards Palestinians which is what I said you did. Obviously you feel that you have your own reasons to deny sexual violence towards Palestinians, I'm not really interested in those.

Point to the bit where you were accused of 'denying that there could possibly have been any sexual abuse of Palestinian detainees'? You denied sexual violence towards Palestinians, I never said all or any. Own your words and stop accusing people of bollocks or at least have the manners to tag me so I can prove you wrong.

Stirabout · 01/05/2026 15:02

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 14:56

I meant on here.

personally I consider men with power in Israel more influential on the mindset of their followers than mumsnetters
but if you meant here even though Ellen was talking about a different thread
then
suggest

RTFT or others about kids being murdered by the IDF, babies abandoned to die in Gaza hospitals etc etc etc.
honestly
you’re really spoilt for choice here on mumsnet

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 14:56

Stirabout · 01/05/2026 14:30

Amongst others Ben Gvir did
( see the news on the gang rape of a Palestinian detainee )

I meant on here.

Ellen2shoes · 01/05/2026 14:34

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 12:50

But then I've been accused of denying that there could possibly have been any sexual abuse of Palestinian detainees when I had said nothing of the sort and when my post is clearly visible for all to see.

So I'm sceptical as to what was said on a post that may never have existed.

I can see why some would prefer to believe that I am lying. So much more convenient. I remember the name of the poster and the wording of the post. I wish I didn’t. There was a discussion at some point as someone said it should be left to stand so that people can see it for themselves.

Stirabout · 01/05/2026 14:30

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 14:06

Again, nobody has said that.

Amongst others Ben Gvir did
( see the news on the gang rape of a Palestinian detainee )

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 14:06

Stirabout · 01/05/2026 13:56

It existed just as @Ellen2shoes
has said
Aparently because Israel has a right to defend itself everything is fair game.

Again, nobody has said that.

Stirabout · 01/05/2026 13:56

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 12:50

But then I've been accused of denying that there could possibly have been any sexual abuse of Palestinian detainees when I had said nothing of the sort and when my post is clearly visible for all to see.

So I'm sceptical as to what was said on a post that may never have existed.

It existed just as @Ellen2shoes
has said
Aparently because Israel has a right to defend itself everything is fair game.

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 12:50

Ellen2shoes · 01/05/2026 10:42

A real low on a thread here was a poster very explicitly condoning the rape of Palestinian prisoners. The post was eventually removed and I’m assuming the poster has name changed. It stood for quite some time. Revolting.

But then I've been accused of denying that there could possibly have been any sexual abuse of Palestinian detainees when I had said nothing of the sort and when my post is clearly visible for all to see.

So I'm sceptical as to what was said on a post that may never have existed.

Stirabout · 01/05/2026 12:13

Martymcfly24 · 01/05/2026 11:28

Chilling is the right word to use.
12 year olds (especially those who have been traumatized and displaced multiple times) should never be executed under criminal responsibility. I teach that age and we all know how absolutely impulsive they are and their awareness of long term consequences.

Plus we know the IDF are liars. Like the two young brothers who they shot at the yellow line who were completely unarmed .(Note this was also justified by many posters on here)

Which is the basic problem
This notion pumped out again and again
that Israel have a right to defend themselves

Justifying rape, imprisonment for throwing stones and killing kids has nothing to do with defending Israel
There is no justification for war crimes
and
No justification for this death penalty

I too hope @Boolabus that amendments are made to the death penalty excluding children
but then
i would also expect the right to appeal to be added
the right to translations
the right to legal council
the exclusion of all other countries
equality in sentencing and method of trial for all citizens

I don’t, however, think it will happen

Stirabout · 01/05/2026 12:06

Ellen2shoes · 01/05/2026 10:42

A real low on a thread here was a poster very explicitly condoning the rape of Palestinian prisoners. The post was eventually removed and I’m assuming the poster has name changed. It stood for quite some time. Revolting.

Agree
It’s disgusting !

Ben Gvir condoned it
There were demonstrations in Israel to free the rapists fgs!

Martymcfly24 · 01/05/2026 11:28

Boolabus · 01/05/2026 07:50

That is chilling. I would hope, if the law gets through the supreme court, this would be amended. I don't think, even Israel, could weather the storm of executing children.

criminal responsibility at 12 years old
Anyone who works in the area of child development knows how messed up this is.

Chilling is the right word to use.
12 year olds (especially those who have been traumatized and displaced multiple times) should never be executed under criminal responsibility. I teach that age and we all know how absolutely impulsive they are and their awareness of long term consequences.

Plus we know the IDF are liars. Like the two young brothers who they shot at the yellow line who were completely unarmed .(Note this was also justified by many posters on here)

MissyB1 · 01/05/2026 10:43

Ellen2shoes · 01/05/2026 10:42

A real low on a thread here was a poster very explicitly condoning the rape of Palestinian prisoners. The post was eventually removed and I’m assuming the poster has name changed. It stood for quite some time. Revolting.

Dear God there are some vile people around!

Ellen2shoes · 01/05/2026 10:42

A real low on a thread here was a poster very explicitly condoning the rape of Palestinian prisoners. The post was eventually removed and I’m assuming the poster has name changed. It stood for quite some time. Revolting.

whoamI00 · 01/05/2026 10:42

www.lawfaremedia.org/article/cruel-and-unusual--israel-s--death-penalty-for-terrorists--law

This article, dated April 22, 2026, written by two Senior Research Fellows at the Israel Democracy Institute, is informative. It includes the political context behind the enactment of the Death Penalty for Terrorists law, how the law is incompatible with international law and Israeli constitutional law, and the potential application of the law to perpetrators of the Oct 7 massacre.

Boolabus · 01/05/2026 10:33

Stirabout · 01/05/2026 10:09

I recall many of those comments being said here
and if it’s being said it’s more of a worry what’s not being said.

Israel ratified the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child in 1991.
The Convention could not be clearer: Article 37(a) explicitly prohibits the death penalty for offences committed by persons under 18.
Article 37(b) states that detention of children must be a last resort.

Article 40 guarantees fair trial rights for every child in conflict with the law.

Israel’s sustained response to these obligations has been to declare that the UNCRC does not apply to children in the occupied territories, a position the UN and international legal consensus firmly rejects
(TRT World, 2025; UN Special Procedures, 2025).

Israel’s sustained response to these obligations has been to declare that the UNCRC does not apply to children in the occupied territories

Good grief, where do even begin with this.

FloralDeerPattern · 01/05/2026 10:27

Stirabout · 01/05/2026 10:09

I recall many of those comments being said here
and if it’s being said it’s more of a worry what’s not being said.

Israel ratified the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child in 1991.
The Convention could not be clearer: Article 37(a) explicitly prohibits the death penalty for offences committed by persons under 18.
Article 37(b) states that detention of children must be a last resort.

Article 40 guarantees fair trial rights for every child in conflict with the law.

Israel’s sustained response to these obligations has been to declare that the UNCRC does not apply to children in the occupied territories, a position the UN and international legal consensus firmly rejects
(TRT World, 2025; UN Special Procedures, 2025).

Yes just the fact that people thought it was OK to air those thoughts says a lot of how normalised this racism is. When people don't care about children being shot in the street it's hard to imagine they will care about them hanging from the gallows.

Stirabout · 01/05/2026 10:09

FloralDeerPattern · 01/05/2026 08:09

It's because of racism. Palestinians deserve it in their eyes, even children. We've seen people on here justify the killing of children, they crossed the yellow line, they threw stones stones are very dangerous, Palestinian children can be terrorists, if only Palestinians loved their children as much as they hate Jews, there is even some gross quote that is trotted out about how Israelis can't forgive 'Arabs' for forcing them to kill their children, they just don't have a choice in the matter 😢 .

The reaction to Israeli children being killed - bomb them, starve them, kill them, what else do they expect.

The reaction to Palestinian children being killed - that's very sad, I hope it is investigated by the perpetrators.

It's deeply embedded racism that is not going away any time soon.

I recall many of those comments being said here
and if it’s being said it’s more of a worry what’s not being said.

Israel ratified the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child in 1991.
The Convention could not be clearer: Article 37(a) explicitly prohibits the death penalty for offences committed by persons under 18.
Article 37(b) states that detention of children must be a last resort.

Article 40 guarantees fair trial rights for every child in conflict with the law.

Israel’s sustained response to these obligations has been to declare that the UNCRC does not apply to children in the occupied territories, a position the UN and international legal consensus firmly rejects
(TRT World, 2025; UN Special Procedures, 2025).

FloralDeerPattern · 01/05/2026 08:09

MissyB1 · 01/05/2026 07:19

That is absolutely chilling. Everyone is very quick to (rightly) criticise Iran for how they treat their people and for executing people on spurious charges, but a blind eye will be turned for Israel.

It's because of racism. Palestinians deserve it in their eyes, even children. We've seen people on here justify the killing of children, they crossed the yellow line, they threw stones stones are very dangerous, Palestinian children can be terrorists, if only Palestinians loved their children as much as they hate Jews, there is even some gross quote that is trotted out about how Israelis can't forgive 'Arabs' for forcing them to kill their children, they just don't have a choice in the matter 😢 .

The reaction to Israeli children being killed - bomb them, starve them, kill them, what else do they expect.

The reaction to Palestinian children being killed - that's very sad, I hope it is investigated by the perpetrators.

It's deeply embedded racism that is not going away any time soon.

Boolabus · 01/05/2026 07:50

Stirabout · 01/05/2026 00:49

They are right to be concerned

Israel's death penalty does not protect children
There is no exemption for them
There is no suggestion even of clemency

Israel’s military courts set the minimum age of criminal responsibility at 12 years old. Palestinian children as young as 12 are already being tried in these courts,
already being convicted at a rate of 96%
Children are already signing confessions in Hebrew, a language many of them cannot read. Now, the state that presides over this system has granted itself the power to execute those its courts convict.

The law does not say “adults only.”

It does not say “over 18.”
It simply says Palestinians.

Lets not forget
children have been called terrorists for throwing stones !

That is chilling. I would hope, if the law gets through the supreme court, this would be amended. I don't think, even Israel, could weather the storm of executing children.

criminal responsibility at 12 years old
Anyone who works in the area of child development knows how messed up this is.

MissyB1 · 01/05/2026 07:19

Stirabout · 01/05/2026 00:49

They are right to be concerned

Israel's death penalty does not protect children
There is no exemption for them
There is no suggestion even of clemency

Israel’s military courts set the minimum age of criminal responsibility at 12 years old. Palestinian children as young as 12 are already being tried in these courts,
already being convicted at a rate of 96%
Children are already signing confessions in Hebrew, a language many of them cannot read. Now, the state that presides over this system has granted itself the power to execute those its courts convict.

The law does not say “adults only.”

It does not say “over 18.”
It simply says Palestinians.

Lets not forget
children have been called terrorists for throwing stones !

That is absolutely chilling. Everyone is very quick to (rightly) criticise Iran for how they treat their people and for executing people on spurious charges, but a blind eye will be turned for Israel.

Stirabout · 01/05/2026 00:49

Ellen2shoes · 30/04/2026 21:34

Thank you for this from Human Rights Watch. I hope people do read it in its entirety - I know some posters don’t do links - here is a paragraph from it:

We are also particularly alarmed by the potential implications for children, as this legislation does not include safeguards excluding children from its application. Israel is one of the few countriesin the world that systematically prosecutes children in military courts, and the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child has highlighted Israeli authorities’ “repeated denial of its legal obligations” and “complete disregard of [the Committee’s] recommendations…in relation to the arrest and detention of Palestinian children”. Even beforeOctober 2023, there were reports of Palestinian children in detention being beaten, starved, exposed to cold, denied medical care, and subjected to solitary confinement and sexual abuse. Child detention has risen dramatically since October 2023, and more children are being held in administrative detention without charge or trial. At the same time, Israeli authorities continue to restrict access for legal representatives and independent monitors, including the International Committee of the Red Cross, in violation of their legal obligations.

They are right to be concerned

Israel's death penalty does not protect children
There is no exemption for them
There is no suggestion even of clemency

Israel’s military courts set the minimum age of criminal responsibility at 12 years old. Palestinian children as young as 12 are already being tried in these courts,
already being convicted at a rate of 96%
Children are already signing confessions in Hebrew, a language many of them cannot read. Now, the state that presides over this system has granted itself the power to execute those its courts convict.

The law does not say “adults only.”

It does not say “over 18.”
It simply says Palestinians.

Lets not forget
children have been called terrorists for throwing stones !

BelleHathor · 30/04/2026 21:52

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 19:42

Yes and many of us have mentioned in the past that after reporting racist and dehumanising posts about Palestinians we've been told to challenge it in the thread and it wasn't deleted, doubtful this happens to other communities

It happens on the Black Mumsnetters threads, the recent thread about the racial abuse of Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo was an eye opener.

It's all informed by the same thing, supremacism and the inability to empathise with people who are deemed "other".

The overt racism FloralDeer pointed out on the other thread was easy to spot for anyone with any self awareness about actual racism.......

Ellen2shoes · 30/04/2026 21:47

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 19:13

Whatever makes you think I would want to justify myself to you. I don't.

I find it confusing that a prolific poster on a board continuously labels it as toxic as though they have not contributed to that board.

Ellen2shoes · 30/04/2026 21:34

FloralDeerPattern · 30/04/2026 15:19

Sorry, I really should stay on topic.

This is a really clear article about why it is discriminatory and why the UK government has an obligation to act.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2026/04/29/israels-discriminatory-death-penalty-law-requires-uk-action

Thank you for this from Human Rights Watch. I hope people do read it in its entirety - I know some posters don’t do links - here is a paragraph from it:

We are also particularly alarmed by the potential implications for children, as this legislation does not include safeguards excluding children from its application. Israel is one of the few countriesin the world that systematically prosecutes children in military courts, and the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child has highlighted Israeli authorities’ “repeated denial of its legal obligations” and “complete disregard of [the Committee’s] recommendations…in relation to the arrest and detention of Palestinian children”. Even beforeOctober 2023, there were reports of Palestinian children in detention being beaten, starved, exposed to cold, denied medical care, and subjected to solitary confinement and sexual abuse. Child detention has risen dramatically since October 2023, and more children are being held in administrative detention without charge or trial. At the same time, Israeli authorities continue to restrict access for legal representatives and independent monitors, including the International Committee of the Red Cross, in violation of their legal obligations.

Frequently asked questions on ICRC and Palestinian detainees

https://www.icrc.org/en/article/FAQ-icrc-and-palestinian-detainees

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