Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks

Oh my gosh! Just clicked back on this thread, and it's taken a turn.
So depressing that there are people in this country and elsewhere who are doing anything less than completely condemning the apartheid murder bill/law.
They walk among us folks, they walk among us, which is scary and depressing.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸 and may love and humanity prevail in the end ✌️🕊️🙏

If you read what I wrote you will see that I am using it as an example of a situation where it would be ridiculous not to have a law against knife crime just because statistically one ethnic group are more likely to commit knife crime. That's not discriminatory. It's just fact. I'm not sure why some people on this thread have failed to understand this point

Similarly in the Palestinian case, just because one group are more likely to commit a particular crime doesn't mean you shouldnt have a law against that crime.

Now give me your arguments against the points I raised rather than spouting the old kneejerk of "you're a racist".

The people promoting this law were wearing badges depicting a noose.

That's not normal behaviour.

If you're defending this bill then something has clearly gone wrong somewhere...

Because you are being racist with your comment about black people. If you can’t see that then there is no point in further engagement with you.

Give your argument that their actions are "racist, oppressive and abhorrent" in clear objective terms so we can see what you think and judge accordingly. You aren't in a vacuum. People can be persuaded by clear arguments. Look at the facts and then make your argument. Rather than sounding off about other people's comments on your own thread.

Why bother posting your thoughts on MN then? Seems a bit of a waste of time if you aren't seeking to persuade anyone.

What's wrong with you? Are you unable to judge the law objectively? Using examples from other situations to see whether your arguments work or not?

I don’t care what you think.

That seems to also be the case with the Israeli law.

I think we are just discussing the facts regarding this law and how it will work. And then be able to judge whether it is technically and practice, discriminatory. I personally don't see the need therefore to bring in "how many women and children have been slaughtered, Israeli settler violence" as they are not relevant to this particular legal issue.

That would be like saying we can't have laws against knife crime in the UK because black people are overrepresented.
We have laws against knife crime in the UK and anyone that commits it is treated the same regardless of who they kill with that knife, there lies the difference.

Not sure why you keep mentioning Gaza this law is in Israel and mainly going to impact Palestinians living in the West Bank, Palestinians in Gaza are in Gaza. It is discriminatory because it does not hold any accountability or punishment for Palestinians killed by terrorist acts carried out by an Israeli. We have seen an increase in terrorist activities by Israelis in the West bank who go unpunished.

The law won't be discriminatory in practice. It will just affect more nationals from a particular country who have a higher propensity to commit that crime. That's not discrimination that's just reality. That would be like saying we can't have laws against knife crime in the UK because black people are overrepresented.

Its interesting the trials are held in a military court though, suggesting they are military combatants but are being charged with terrorist offences. Thats something I would be looking at rather than throwing words like "apartheid " around which have lost all meaning.

Give it a few hours and it will get worse. I stepped away from this board for a while as the daily dose of pro Israeli propaganda was too much to take.

The hatred towards Palestinians, ignoring how many women and children have been slaughtered, Israeli settler violence the list goes on. People will continue waving the flag that Israel can do no wrong.

Exactly.

Facts are important.

I think people are trying to get to the facts rather than one person's subjective take on this. Too much discussion regarding Gaza is biased and blurs what reality is. No one knows what the truth is any more to judge unfortunately. To the detriment of the people on both sides who are suffering.

My opinion is that it will be discriminatory in practice. This is also the position of the UK government by the way.

However, I doubt the UK government will be sanctioning Israel for it because it is also the case that countries are entitled to set their own laws.

Lots of examples of laws in other countries that the UK wouldn’t endorse but they don’t sanction them for it.

Actually, you’re just cutting across your own argument by picking and choosing which points to focus on.

This law is discriminatory. Cut it how you like it discriminates against Palestinians.

That's a separate issue. Probably better not to conflate other things when you are discussing a specific law.

Its not discrimination to have a law that affects mainly people that commit terrorist attacks that kills people in your own country and who are from a country that you are at war with. This particular argument is bizarre.

Better to argue against capital punishment anywhere in the world.