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Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks

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CanAnybodyFindMe · 31/03/2026 14:07

“Israel's far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir wore a noose pin on his lapel to signal his support for the bill”

I first heard about this on Facebook and thought it might be anti-Israel fake news. But no, it’s true.

Absolutely horrifying and sickening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

Itamar Ben-Gvir wearing a black suit, red tie and white kippah, talking on a podium in front of Israeli flags

Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks face death penalty under new Israeli law

The new law, passed on Monday, was pushed hard by the far-right and Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

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Stirabout · 01/05/2026 19:33

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 19:19

It hasn't been debunked, you just found another allegation, decades before and on another continent. How do you know that one is true?

Read the links
They are reputable sources !
not X

It is mind boggling to think that just because something that happened decades ago couldn’t possibly also happen now …. ????!!!

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 19:19

Stirabout · 01/05/2026 18:27

I own a dog
Doesn’t make me an expert

Unless people have tried to train their dogs to rape they have no idea at all

It’s been mentioned on here that it’s not possible. It seems it is

So that idea has been debunked thanks to @BelleHathor research
Perhaps wiser then to do the research before dismissing it out of hand

The wiki doesn’t work but if you Google her you will find more on it.

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It hasn't been debunked, you just found another allegation, decades before and on another continent. How do you know that one is true?

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 19:14

Martymcfly24 · 01/05/2026 19:09

I'm not on x

Usually works on nitter
https://nitter.net/MarinaMedvin/status/2050192479157096608?s=20

Martymcfly24 · 01/05/2026 19:09

I'm not on x

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 18:56

Martymcfly24 · 01/05/2026 18:54

It will always be dismissed like
-the declared famine
-the murdered medics
-the children snipered by drones
-Hind Rajab
-those murdered queuing for food

Nothing will make some people believe and that wont change especially when their proof is from a morally bankrupt military.

It's such a savage calculated torture. The hatred must run so deep.

https://x.com/MarinaMedvin/status/2050192479157096608?s=20

Marina Medvin 🇺🇸 (@MarinaMedvin) on X

The history of Israel in one game.

https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/2050192479157096608?s=20

Martymcfly24 · 01/05/2026 18:54

BelleHathor · 01/05/2026 18:17

It absolutely is, though we're only reading testimony nit having to witnesss/experience it. I hate having to post it again as the last time this was discussed in 2024 it was similarly dismissed.

Correct wiki link for the Chilean abuse:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingrid_Olderock

It will always be dismissed like
-the declared famine
-the murdered medics
-the children snipered by drones
-Hind Rajab
-those murdered queuing for food

Nothing will make some people believe and that wont change especially when their proof is from a morally bankrupt military.

It's such a savage calculated torture. The hatred must run so deep.

Stirabout · 01/05/2026 18:27

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 17:38

That wiki link doesn't work, but I've read most of the second one, in Spanish. I've no idea how reliable it is, but even if every single bit of it is true, that doesn't make the IDF allegations true - just vaguely possible.
It's an allegation, not proof, and moreover an allegation about one country decades ago. It doesn't make other allegations about other countries true. As an experienced dog owner, I can't see it as being plausible.

I own a dog
Doesn’t make me an expert

Unless people have tried to train their dogs to rape they have no idea at all

It’s been mentioned on here that it’s not possible. It seems it is

So that idea has been debunked thanks to @BelleHathor research
Perhaps wiser then to do the research before dismissing it out of hand

The wiki doesn’t work but if you Google her you will find more on it.

FloralDeerPattern · 01/05/2026 18:18

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 17:25

This doesn't even make sense: you're saying I accused you of denying any sexual abuse??

Ah you know exactly what I meant, you said that you were accused of 'denying that there could possibly have been any sexual abuse of Palestinian detainees' which never happened, I know that made up stories are hard to keep track of but you said it just up thread so should probably remember. You did deny sexual violence towards Palestinians, i have no idea nor do I want to know if you deny any and all sexual abuse, but I know for a fact that you denied some,you know for a fact that you denied some, you even called it antisemitism to believe Palestinians testimonies of abuse.

BelleHathor · 01/05/2026 18:17

Martymcfly24 · 01/05/2026 17:37

@BelleHathor that is beyond disturbing on so many levels.

It absolutely is, though we're only reading testimony nit having to witnesss/experience it. I hate having to post it again as the last time this was discussed in 2024 it was similarly dismissed.

Correct wiki link for the Chilean abuse:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingrid_Olderock

Ingrid Olderock - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingrid_Olderock

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 17:38

BelleHathor · 01/05/2026 17:22

To challenge the derail:

[Trigger Warning - testimony of a Palestinian Detainees who were subject to/witnessed sexual abuse]
https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6383/Gaza:-Israeli-army-systematically-uses-police-dogs-to-brutally-attack-Palestinian-civilians,-with-at-least-one-reported-rape

Yes, there is testimony, it's previously been reported:
"Israeli army’s many crimes of systematic sexual violence against Palestinian detainees, which also include nudity, sexual harassment, threats of rape, and placing sharp objects in the victim’s buttocks.

Euro-Med Monitor received horrific testimonies from recently released detainees confirming the brutal and inhumane use of Israeli police dogs to rape prisoners and detainees. Lawyer Fadi Saif al-Din Bakr, who was released on 22 February after 45 days of detention, told the Euro-Med Monitor team:

“They held me in a building they called ‘Diapers’ and forced me to wear diapers for two days. Then they dragged me into a dark, musty-smelling, closed-offroom with an iron chair in the centre. The soldiers bound my arms while I was sitting on it. I was speaking normally before I lost consciousness for a while. By the time I woke up, my foot had exploded from the electric shocks [they had given me]. The military doctor then gave me an Acamol pill, and since I was unable to move or speak, the soldiers brought me back to a barn’s and [put me in] a container for a few hours. I remained in the barn until, after a while, the soldiers hurriedly drove me and two other young men to a different location in a military jeep.

“There, the soldiers took off the blindfolds covering our eyes for the first time. The soldiers later pulled the young man sitting to my right, forced him to sleep on the ground, and tied his hands and feet. Suddenly, the occupation soldiers let loose trained police dogs on the young man, who was subjected to [rape]. Throughout the entire ordeal I endured, this was among the most awful things that I witnessed. Everything was a lot [to go through], and this was just one more [incident] added to the heap of torments. I was hoping to die so that this would not happen to me, but one of the soldiers told me to get ready. [Yet] something miraculous happened in the prison; the torture session quickly ended, and we were brought back to the barn.”

Thirty-six-year-old Hassan Abu Raida, another released detainee, stated: “They moved me and the other detainees to a prison. They threw us to the ground and made the dogs urinate on us [as we lay there]. In addition, one of the soldiers struck my right knee with an iron pipe, and I am still recovering from that injury.”

https://pchrgaza.org/pchr-documents-testimonies-of-systematic-rape-and-sexual-torture-in-israeli-detention-against-released-palestinian-detainees/

"We were stripped completely. Soldiers brought dogs that climbed on us and urinated on me. Then one of the dogs raped me—the dog did it deliberately, knowing exactly what it was doing, and inserted its penis into my anus, while the soldiers kept beating and torturing us and spraying pepper spray in our faces. The dog’s assault lasted about three minutes; the overall suppression lasted about three hours. Because of the severe beating, all of us sustained injuries across our bodies. I suffered a severe psychological breakdown and deep humiliation; I lost control because I could never have imagined experiencing such a thing"

Unbelievably evil and it has happened before, during Pinochet's dictatorship in Chile, Ingrid Olderock also trained her dog to rape detainees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IngridOlderock

https://inkstickmedia.com/uncovering-dictatorship-violence-in-chile/

I sincerely hope that those who continually deny things like this realise that they are setting up a climate whereby in the future many more people are going to equally revise history and question events that may be important to them......

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That wiki link doesn't work, but I've read most of the second one, in Spanish. I've no idea how reliable it is, but even if every single bit of it is true, that doesn't make the IDF allegations true - just vaguely possible.
It's an allegation, not proof, and moreover an allegation about one country decades ago. It doesn't make other allegations about other countries true. As an experienced dog owner, I can't see it as being plausible.

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 17:37

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 17:25

This doesn't even make sense: you're saying I accused you of denying any sexual abuse??

double post

Martymcfly24 · 01/05/2026 17:37

@BelleHathor that is beyond disturbing on so many levels.

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 17:25

FloralDeerPattern · 01/05/2026 16:47

Again swerving. You accused me of 'denying that there could possibly have been any sexual abuse of Palestinian detainees' back yourself and point out where I said that or you could just apologise and retract your allegations.

And I agree it is so simple, if you hadn't fabricated your allegations against me I wouldn't be able to believe why you don't seem to understand what is being asked of you.

Edited

This doesn't even make sense: you're saying I accused you of denying any sexual abuse??

BelleHathor · 01/05/2026 17:22

Ellen2shoes · 01/05/2026 16:53

There is evidence that Palestinian prisoners are tortured and sexually abused and that trained dogs are involved.

I am also finding it difficult to understand how there could actually be a physical rape although there apparently have been rare reports. Without dismissing any possibilities, I have read and listened to some testimonials of Palestinians who have been brutally raped while terrifying dogs are at their backs. In such an intensely traumatic situation it would be very possible to conflate the rapist with the dog. There have been evidenced reports of extreme physical, sexual and psychological abuse with dogs trained to attack and maul Palestinians. Where is the outrage for this? What would Orwell think to that??

I do not understand why posters are trying to derail from this, focussing on the dogs as though it somehow detracts from the horror that prisoners had to endure if the soldiers were raping them with trained dogs at their backs so that they were led to believe they were being raped by the dogs rather than actually being raped by them? We will probably never know but at least allow the victims some dignity and accept that this is very wrong.

To challenge the derail:

[Trigger Warning - testimony of a Palestinian Detainees who were subject to/witnessed sexual abuse]
https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6383/Gaza:-Israeli-army-systematically-uses-police-dogs-to-brutally-attack-Palestinian-civilians,-with-at-least-one-reported-rape

Yes, there is testimony, it's previously been reported:
"Israeli army’s many crimes of systematic sexual violence against Palestinian detainees, which also include nudity, sexual harassment, threats of rape, and placing sharp objects in the victim’s buttocks.

Euro-Med Monitor received horrific testimonies from recently released detainees confirming the brutal and inhumane use of Israeli police dogs to rape prisoners and detainees. Lawyer Fadi Saif al-Din Bakr, who was released on 22 February after 45 days of detention, told the Euro-Med Monitor team:

“They held me in a building they called ‘Diapers’ and forced me to wear diapers for two days. Then they dragged me into a dark, musty-smelling, closed-offroom with an iron chair in the centre. The soldiers bound my arms while I was sitting on it. I was speaking normally before I lost consciousness for a while. By the time I woke up, my foot had exploded from the electric shocks [they had given me]. The military doctor then gave me an Acamol pill, and since I was unable to move or speak, the soldiers brought me back to a barn’s and [put me in] a container for a few hours. I remained in the barn until, after a while, the soldiers hurriedly drove me and two other young men to a different location in a military jeep.

“There, the soldiers took off the blindfolds covering our eyes for the first time. The soldiers later pulled the young man sitting to my right, forced him to sleep on the ground, and tied his hands and feet. Suddenly, the occupation soldiers let loose trained police dogs on the young man, who was subjected to [rape]. Throughout the entire ordeal I endured, this was among the most awful things that I witnessed. Everything was a lot [to go through], and this was just one more [incident] added to the heap of torments. I was hoping to die so that this would not happen to me, but one of the soldiers told me to get ready. [Yet] something miraculous happened in the prison; the torture session quickly ended, and we were brought back to the barn.”

Thirty-six-year-old Hassan Abu Raida, another released detainee, stated: “They moved me and the other detainees to a prison. They threw us to the ground and made the dogs urinate on us [as we lay there]. In addition, one of the soldiers struck my right knee with an iron pipe, and I am still recovering from that injury.”

https://pchrgaza.org/pchr-documents-testimonies-of-systematic-rape-and-sexual-torture-in-israeli-detention-against-released-palestinian-detainees/

"We were stripped completely. Soldiers brought dogs that climbed on us and urinated on me. Then one of the dogs raped me—the dog did it deliberately, knowing exactly what it was doing, and inserted its penis into my anus, while the soldiers kept beating and torturing us and spraying pepper spray in our faces. The dog’s assault lasted about three minutes; the overall suppression lasted about three hours. Because of the severe beating, all of us sustained injuries across our bodies. I suffered a severe psychological breakdown and deep humiliation; I lost control because I could never have imagined experiencing such a thing"

Unbelievably evil and it has happened before, during Pinochet's dictatorship in Chile, Ingrid Olderock also trained her dog to rape detainees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IngridOlderock

https://inkstickmedia.com/uncovering-dictatorship-violence-in-chile/

I sincerely hope that those who continually deny things like this realise that they are setting up a climate whereby in the future many more people are going to equally revise history and question events that may be important to them......

Gaza: Israeli army systematically uses police dogs to brutally attack Palestinian civilians, with at least one reported rape

Numerous incidents of Israeli forces using large police dogs during military operations in the Strip have been recorded

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6383/Gaza:-Israeli-army-systematically-uses-police-dogs-to-brutally-attack-Palestinian-civilians,-with-at-least-one-reported-rape

Ellen2shoes · 01/05/2026 17:00

FloralDeerPattern · 01/05/2026 16:45

I said you were on a thread with people making blantant racists posts which nobody reported or questioned yesterday which you were. Has anybody said that you were on the thread where there was a poster very explicitly condoning the rape of Palestinian prisoners? Talk about twisting.

Exactly

Ellen2shoes · 01/05/2026 16:53

There is evidence that Palestinian prisoners are tortured and sexually abused and that trained dogs are involved.

I am also finding it difficult to understand how there could actually be a physical rape although there apparently have been rare reports. Without dismissing any possibilities, I have read and listened to some testimonials of Palestinians who have been brutally raped while terrifying dogs are at their backs. In such an intensely traumatic situation it would be very possible to conflate the rapist with the dog. There have been evidenced reports of extreme physical, sexual and psychological abuse with dogs trained to attack and maul Palestinians. Where is the outrage for this? What would Orwell think to that??

I do not understand why posters are trying to derail from this, focussing on the dogs as though it somehow detracts from the horror that prisoners had to endure if the soldiers were raping them with trained dogs at their backs so that they were led to believe they were being raped by the dogs rather than actually being raped by them? We will probably never know but at least allow the victims some dignity and accept that this is very wrong.

FloralDeerPattern · 01/05/2026 16:51

Anyway this thread is being dragged back off topic again by certain posters. I'm not engaging any more. People can read back and see that what you are saying is bullshit.

FloralDeerPattern · 01/05/2026 16:47

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 16:46

Sorry - are you saying that you believe that there ARE dogs trained to rape Palestinians?
Because what I did was express scepticism about THAT claim, and yet you requoted that as evidence that posters were "denying sexual violence".

So unless you think that dogs DO rape detainees, my post is not evidence of denying sexxual violence.

I don't know - this is so simple that I can't quite understand what you think you're saying.

Again swerving. You accused me of 'denying that there could possibly have been any sexual abuse of Palestinian detainees' back yourself and point out where I said that or you could just apologise and retract your allegations.

And I agree it is so simple, if you hadn't fabricated your allegations against me I wouldn't be able to believe why you don't seem to understand what is being asked of you.

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 16:46

FloralDeerPattern · 01/05/2026 16:35

Swerving the topic there with more accusations. Point to the part of my posts where where you were accused of 'denying that there could possibly have been any sexual abuse of Palestinian detainees'?

Sorry - are you saying that you believe that there ARE dogs trained to rape Palestinians?
Because what I did was express scepticism about THAT claim, and yet you requoted that as evidence that posters were "denying sexual violence".

So unless you think that dogs DO rape detainees, my post is not evidence of denying sexxual violence.

I don't know - this is so simple that I can't quite understand what you think you're saying.

FloralDeerPattern · 01/05/2026 16:45

Twiglets1 · 01/05/2026 16:35

Yeah I’ve never seen anything saying that on MN and I was apparently on the thread in question yesterday.

We see so many examples of our words getting twisted and other peoples words getting twisted, I just can’t believe these recollections anymore.

If something that shocking was said, multiple people on the thread would be challenging it before it got deleted.

I said you were on a thread with people making blantant racists posts which nobody reported or questioned yesterday which you were. Has anybody said that you were on the thread where there was a poster very explicitly condoning the rape of Palestinian prisoners? Talk about twisting.

Twiglets1 · 01/05/2026 16:38

Don’t let them upset you @Emilesgran

Twiglets1 · 01/05/2026 16:35

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 14:56

I meant on here.

Yeah I’ve never seen anything saying that on MN and I was apparently on the thread in question yesterday.

We see so many examples of our words getting twisted and other peoples words getting twisted, I just can’t believe these recollections anymore.

If something that shocking was said, multiple people on the thread would be challenging it before it got deleted.

FloralDeerPattern · 01/05/2026 16:35

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 15:31

I said that dogs are not being trained to rape humans. Because that's an implausible claim that requires some actual evidence.

As George Orwell said, "one of the marks of antisemitism is an ability to believe stories that could not possibly be true." Dogs being trained to rape is one such.

Swerving the topic there with more accusations. Point to the part of my posts where where you were accused of 'denying that there could possibly have been any sexual abuse of Palestinian detainees'?

GentleSheep · 01/05/2026 16:11

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 15:31

I said that dogs are not being trained to rape humans. Because that's an implausible claim that requires some actual evidence.

As George Orwell said, "one of the marks of antisemitism is an ability to believe stories that could not possibly be true." Dogs being trained to rape is one such.

I think anyone who believes wild claims like that needs to give themselves a serious critical thinking check. Go look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself, 'why am I so ready to believe a crazy story like this?' and then maybe take some time to actually find out the truth rather than believing any and every piece of propaganda out there.

George Orwell was spot on.

Emilesgran · 01/05/2026 15:31

FloralDeerPattern · 01/05/2026 15:03

Were you? Because this is copy and paste what I said.

But nonsense claims about training dogs to rape are propagated by people in authority like Francesca Albanese. - a post denying sexual violence towards Palestinians from yesterday.

You are calling sexual violence towards Palestinians 'nonsense claims' that is denying sexual violence towards Palestinians which is what I said you did. Obviously you feel that you have your own reasons to deny sexual violence towards Palestinians, I'm not really interested in those.

Point to the bit where you were accused of 'denying that there could possibly have been any sexual abuse of Palestinian detainees'? You denied sexual violence towards Palestinians, I never said all or any. Own your words and stop accusing people of bollocks or at least have the manners to tag me so I can prove you wrong.

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I said that dogs are not being trained to rape humans. Because that's an implausible claim that requires some actual evidence.

As George Orwell said, "one of the marks of antisemitism is an ability to believe stories that could not possibly be true." Dogs being trained to rape is one such.