Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks

No, same for Israelis in courts in Israel as for palestinians in military courts in the West Bank. Granted we don't see israeli suicide bombers and terrorists but in theory the same penalty applies.

I really bloody hope so! 🤞

Their time will come where they will be accountable for the attrocities in Palestine.

You can run but not hide.

If a Jewish Israeli committed treason against the state of Israel, would he be exempt from the death penalty because he was Jewish?

Also, despite the fact that it is over 30 pages, and therefore it's a bit of a cheek from you to expect me to read the whole thing on your say-so, I now have looked through it, and no "they" don't clearly say that at all.

Because the overall conclusion doesn't say it. It's also only an advisory opinion, not a legally binding ruling, but that's a separate issue.

Some of the judges made their own additional and in some cases dissenting reports, and some of those do mention the word apartheid - but in some cases it's to say that Israel did NOT commit apartheid, and in others to say they did. But none of those are the actual ruling anyway.

So tell us: had you not read the document you were expecting me to have read, or had you read it and just decided to lie?

I imagine it is because of the right of the Jewish diaspora to live there, which does not apply to others even if their ancestors may once have lived in the place that is now Israel. To call this 'apartheid' is such a stretch as to appear entirely cynical in my view.

It's similar to calling the partition of India and Pakistan apartheid.

I guess the 7th October put paid to that.

Well then, my question applies to the ICJ ruling too (it wasn't clear from your post which only mentioned what's happening now): in what way was the foundation of Israel "apartheid" in a way that the foundation of Pakistan or Saudi Arabia is not?

Yes fair point well made, I had noticed that.
Selective lefty outrage it seems.

You didn’t read the ICJ ruling did you? They quite clearly say from its founding it has been an apartheid state.

The charge would have to be terrorism with intent to erase the state of Israel.
Terrorism to stop any Palestinian state that’s not covered by the law.
Terrorism to annex parts of Lebanon and Syria, not a problem.
Terrorism to ethnically cleanse Palestinians or Arab Israelis that’s ok too.

This law is custom worded to only apply to terrorism by Palestinians.

But that's not the same allegation as the poster's, which was that Israel has always been an apartheid state, by the very nature of its founding documents.

So by that measure, so is Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Algeria, Egypt Jordan, Kuwait etc etc - and of course Palestine, since Article 4 of the Basic Law of the State of Palestine says "Islam is the official religion in Palestine."

And most of those other countries base their legal system on islamic law, and generally punish proselytism or atheism, sometimes severely.

From a constitutional point of view, Judaism is not actually the state religion in Israel.

I am positive they do not. The ICJ legal opinion that Israel is practicing apartheid is not based on there being an official state religion.
https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20240719-sum-01-00-en.pdf

I know this is not the subject of the thread, but I'm always puzzled by this: do you consider that any country with an official state religion to be an aprtheid state? Because by that measure nearly all muslim majority countries are also apartheid state yet the outcry against them seems to be a lot more muted.

"Many were combatants"

Of the 80,000 approx how many? not from the IDF but from independent sources....

The only people who say Hamas or in Hezbollah hide in amongst civilians are the Israelis, who have a very wide definition of who "Hamas" is....

Could be a news journalist, a farmer who was in paid employment but left Hamas a year ago, so they bombed all his cousins and aunts... maybe a hospital where an injured Hamas terrorist is being treated, so in the IFD's eyes, that justifies the total destruction of that wing of the hospital, inc the maternity unit next door.

But i've a feeling we wont agree...

'The law, passed by Israel's parliament on Monday and fulfilling a pledge by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's far-right allies, also gives Israeli courts the option of imposing the death penalty on Israeli citizens convicted on similar charges'

The new law is to be used in the military courts which are only for Palestinians. Jewish defendants are in civilian courts where this law will not apply. HTH.

Yes, and I am saying that Palestinians have been convicted of killing someone without there ever being any evidence presented or any defence allowed. The military courts do not provide fair trials.

We are yes hun which also applies to Israelis in Israel not just palestinians in the west bank.

Do try and post without the insults.

'Not sure why you have then started ranting on about Hamas'

They tend to come up when Israel is discussed. Who knew mentioning terrorists was a 'rant'? They are closely linked, did you not know about the conflict?

If you look at the actual wording of the new law, it doesn't single out any ethnic group. There is concern that this may be what happens when it is implemented. However, as I said upthread, there are other countries (Saudi) that do exactly the same - use the death penalty disproportionately on some groups that are less favoured. There is no outrage about that and never has been.

Someone said that we expect better of Israel, but why? They're nothing to do with us. They are an ally, as is Saudi Arabia, and they are certainly more western than places like Saudi, but culturally Israel is very different. It's not unprecedented for a democracy to become more repressive, sadly. Why are posters here so concerned with it?

• 'The sentence will be applied by a military court to anyone convicted of murdering an Israeli "as an act of terror".Such courts try only West Bank Palestinians, who are not Israeli citizens'*

'The law, passed by Israel's parliament on Monday and fulfilling a pledge by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's far-right allies, also gives Israeli courts the option of imposing the death penalty on Israeli citizens convicted on similar charges'

What am I missing?

Yes oppose the death penalty world wide, I'll join you but the argument that it's just the palestinians targeted is incorrect.

Yes we have seen it in many places that carry out the death penalty, it’s medieval that it’s still in practice in any country.

I wouldn’t say the Israeli law enforcement system is far superior, they are just better at hiding their wrong doings.

Not sure why you have then started ranting on about Hamas, I never mentioned them (they are scum),You say - but Israeli intelligence are again superior so know exactly who is who. If that’s the case then they could have been more careful whilst dropping bombs on thousands of innocent civilians.