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Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks

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CanAnybodyFindMe · 31/03/2026 14:07

“Israel's far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir wore a noose pin on his lapel to signal his support for the bill”

I first heard about this on Facebook and thought it might be anti-Israel fake news. But no, it’s true.

Absolutely horrifying and sickening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

Itamar Ben-Gvir wearing a black suit, red tie and white kippah, talking on a podium in front of Israeli flags

Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks face death penalty under new Israeli law

The new law, passed on Monday, was pushed hard by the far-right and Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

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Ellen2shoes · 04/04/2026 12:08

Israel’s focus is on obliterating Palestine and the Palestinians. That is the sole point of the bill

The ‘double standards’ lie within the wording which effects practices amounting to apartheid.

Amnesty International says that the system routinely relies on evidence extracted through torture and abuse. The death sentence will be imposed even if prosecutors do not seek it. Convictions need no longer be unanimous. There is no possibility of pardon. Executions must take place within 90 days.

Within Israeli civilian courts, the new law imposes the death penalty for deliberately killing a person with the intention of “negating the existence of the State of Israel”. Life imprisonment can only substitute in unspecified “special” circumstances.

Images and footage of Israeli ministers gleefully jigging about sporting their noose badges toasting this obscene law with champagne speak for themselves.

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Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 11:54

CanAnybodyFindMe · 04/04/2026 10:49

It’s just unconvincing playing with words. Jews will not be convicted of committing the same crime (namely against the state of Israel). Do you honestly believe they will?

It’s the reality of a situation that matters not the words used to twist that reality.

Well obviously not many Jews will want to destroy the state of Israel, but you'd be surprised at what some people will do:

He Guarded Israel's Skies - Then Sold Its Secrets to Iran

Presumably this guy Raz Cohen, if he committed the same crime after this bill had passed, would be eligible for the death penalty?

Bluegreenbird · 04/04/2026 11:29

CanAnybodyFindMe · 04/04/2026 10:49

It’s just unconvincing playing with words. Jews will not be convicted of committing the same crime (namely against the state of Israel). Do you honestly believe they will?

It’s the reality of a situation that matters not the words used to twist that reality.

Well yes. There aren’t many Israeli Jews who will seek to try and obliterate Israel and the Jews.

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 10:50

Bluegreenbird · 04/04/2026 10:37

@FloralDeerPattern but we are not supporting the proposal. Just querying the double standards and the motivation for holding Israel to special scrutiny.

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Could have fooled me.

CanAnybodyFindMe · 04/04/2026 10:49

Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 10:46

But how is it racist if Jews who commited the same crime (namely against the state of Israel) would also be eligible for the death penalty?

This is a genuine question, and one I've not seen anyone answer.

It’s just unconvincing playing with words. Jews will not be convicted of committing the same crime (namely against the state of Israel). Do you honestly believe they will?

It’s the reality of a situation that matters not the words used to twist that reality.

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Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 10:47

CanAnybodyFindMe · 04/04/2026 10:46

Honestly, it makes me cringe.

So all those other countries are "apartheid" too are they?
If so, then fine, no double standard.

CanAnybodyFindMe · 04/04/2026 10:46

TopPocketFind · 04/04/2026 10:42

The 'other countries do it' whataboutery is so strange.

Honestly, it makes me cringe.

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Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 10:46

CanAnybodyFindMe · 04/04/2026 10:44

I’ve yet to see any Israel supporters on this thread except @Twiglets1 condemning (or being concerned about in Twiglets case - trying not to put words into your mouth) the racist/discriminatory nature of this legislation. Only disagreeing with the death penalty generally. Happy to be corrected though.

But how is it racist if Jews who commited the same crime (namely against the state of Israel) would also be eligible for the death penalty?

This is a genuine question, and one I've not seen anyone answer.

CanAnybodyFindMe · 04/04/2026 10:44

Bluegreenbird · 04/04/2026 10:37

@FloralDeerPattern but we are not supporting the proposal. Just querying the double standards and the motivation for holding Israel to special scrutiny.

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I’ve yet to see any Israel supporters on this thread except @Twiglets1 condemning (or being concerned about in Twiglets case - trying not to put words into your mouth) the racist/discriminatory nature of this legislation. Only disagreeing with the death penalty generally. Happy to be corrected though.

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Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 10:44

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 10:31

I think it is worded to specificaly exclude Jewish terrorists and I am not the only one.

The central problem with the law is that it is intentionally racist — carefully designed to apply solely to Palestinian terrorists, not Jewish ones.

Accordingly, it does not settle for the standard definition of murder, nor even murder “under exceptionally grave circumstances,” as Israeli law stipulates regarding the release of prisoners in diplomatic deals — a clause written as a direct reaction to historical prisoner exchanges, most notably the 2011 Gilad Shalit deal.

Instead, the new legislation specifically defines the crime as “intentionally causing the death of a person with the aim of denying the existence of the State of Israel.”

The objective is to distinguish between Palestinian terrorists — who, according to the law’s drafters, carry out terror attacks to deny the state’s existence — and Jewish terrorists. It is highly unlikely that a court would determine that murders committed by the latter, even if classified as terror attacks, were carried out for the purpose of denying the existence of the state.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/the-death-penalty-law-for-palestinians-convicted-of-deadly-acts-of-terror-is-unconstitutional/amp/

First off, I don't support the law, but using the Times of Israel is a classic "appeal to authority" fallacy: that quote doesn't actually answer my question. If a Jew is found guilty of a crime deemed to be attacking the state of Israel, would he be exempt from the death penalty because he was Jewish?

If not (and I think not) then Israel is being attacked for doing what many other states in that part of the world have been doing for years, namely having a death penalty for the crime of attacking their country, but not for someone attacking a neighbouring country from within their borders.

One can think the death penalty for such a crime is wrong, and still point out the double standard there.

TopPocketFind · 04/04/2026 10:42

The 'other countries do it' whataboutery is so strange.

Bluegreenbird · 04/04/2026 10:37

@FloralDeerPattern but we are not supporting the proposal. Just querying the double standards and the motivation for holding Israel to special scrutiny.

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 10:35

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Not supporting racist laws is 'Islamist propaganda' now? Australia, Germany, France, Italy, New Zealand and the United Kingdom all parroting 'Islamist propaganda'? They all acknowledge 'the de facto discriminatory character of the bill.' I wonder why you can't?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-statement-on-israels-death-penalty-bill-29-march-2026

Joint statement on Israel's Death Penalty Bill: 29 March 2026

Statement by the Foreign Ministers of Australia, Germany, France, Italy, New Zealand and the United Kingdom on Israel's Death Penalty Bill.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-statement-on-israels-death-penalty-bill-29-march-2026

CanAnybodyFindMe · 04/04/2026 10:35

Gloriia · 04/04/2026 10:00

The law is there is there nonetheless so it isn't 'just for palestinians'.

We should be outraged at the death penalty worldwide. Why are you only bothered when it's israel? Do you know Saudi Arabia do it all the time.

If the law will only be used on Palestinians, it is only for Palestinians. You know this, I know this. Why keep saying otherwise?

Ah, now you’re trying the “this is just about the death penalty” gambit. No, it isn’t.

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Twiglets1 · 04/04/2026 10:35

Bluegreenbird · 04/04/2026 10:14

I also don’t see why this proposal from Israel has got so many people raging when the Islamist countries can and do far worse. All the time.
I don’t agree with it. Luckily Israelis will be able to debate it and vote. Unlike the beleaguered citizens of many other countries in the region.
I’m not religious and despair at the destruction caused by all these medieval minded and hate filled people on both sides but I am always struck by the double standards and hypocrisy of the Islamists.

This.

I don't agree with it either as against the death penalty but it's no worse than what a lot of other countries do.

In at least 10 countries around the world ‘apostasy’, which is the act of leaving religion, is punishable by death. These countries are: Afghanistan, Brunei Darussalam, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Yemen.

Some of the countries criticising Israel should get their own house in order re the death penalty before criticising Israel for introducing it for convicted terrorists.

humanists.international/get-involved/resources/the-right-to-apostasy-in-the-world/#:~:text=In%20Afghanistan%2C%20Maldives%2C%20Qatar%2C,apostasy%20is%20punishable%20by%20death.

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 10:31

Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 10:24

So do you think that a Jew who commits a terror attack against Israel will be exempted from this capital punishment law because he's Jewish? Or is it a law to protect Israel, just like, say, Saudi Arabia executes people for treason against the Saudi state but not against their neighbours?

I think it is worded to specificaly exclude Jewish terrorists and I am not the only one.

The central problem with the law is that it is intentionally racist — carefully designed to apply solely to Palestinian terrorists, not Jewish ones.

Accordingly, it does not settle for the standard definition of murder, nor even murder “under exceptionally grave circumstances,” as Israeli law stipulates regarding the release of prisoners in diplomatic deals — a clause written as a direct reaction to historical prisoner exchanges, most notably the 2011 Gilad Shalit deal.

Instead, the new legislation specifically defines the crime as “intentionally causing the death of a person with the aim of denying the existence of the State of Israel.”

The objective is to distinguish between Palestinian terrorists — who, according to the law’s drafters, carry out terror attacks to deny the state’s existence — and Jewish terrorists. It is highly unlikely that a court would determine that murders committed by the latter, even if classified as terror attacks, were carried out for the purpose of denying the existence of the state.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/the-death-penalty-law-for-palestinians-convicted-of-deadly-acts-of-terror-is-unconstitutional/amp/

Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 10:26

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Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 10:24

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 10:01

What do you mean 'we don't see Israeli suicide bombers and terrorists'? You might not see Israeli terrorists but Palestinians certainly do. Jewish terrorism is a massive issue right now so much so that a former pm of Israel has asked the ICC to take action against them to save the Palestinians and Israel from Israeli terrorists. If you think that the actions of these Israeli terrorists committing pogroms and attempting to ethnically cleanse the West Bank aren't harming the state of Israel then you are in dreamland.

So do you think that a Jew who commits a terror attack against Israel will be exempted from this capital punishment law because he's Jewish? Or is it a law to protect Israel, just like, say, Saudi Arabia executes people for treason against the Saudi state but not against their neighbours?

Bluegreenbird · 04/04/2026 10:14

I also don’t see why this proposal from Israel has got so many people raging when the Islamist countries can and do far worse. All the time.
I don’t agree with it. Luckily Israelis will be able to debate it and vote. Unlike the beleaguered citizens of many other countries in the region.
I’m not religious and despair at the destruction caused by all these medieval minded and hate filled people on both sides but I am always struck by the double standards and hypocrisy of the Islamists.

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 10:01

Gloriia · 04/04/2026 08:48

No, same for Israelis in courts in Israel as for palestinians in military courts in the West Bank. Granted we don't see israeli suicide bombers and terrorists but in theory the same penalty applies.

What do you mean 'we don't see Israeli suicide bombers and terrorists'? You might not see Israeli terrorists but Palestinians certainly do. Jewish terrorism is a massive issue right now so much so that a former pm of Israel has asked the ICC to take action against them to save the Palestinians and Israel from Israeli terrorists. If you think that the actions of these Israeli terrorists committing pogroms and attempting to ethnically cleanse the West Bank aren't harming the state of Israel then you are in dreamland.

Gloriia · 04/04/2026 10:00

CanAnybodyFindMe · 04/04/2026 09:44

And all this “it’s not a law just for Palestinians, it will be for Israeli Jews too” nonsense. Unconvincing. I don’t believe any one believes this. In the unlikely event anyone does genuinely believe it, I suggest looking up some videos of Ben-Gvir walking around prisons (of Palestinians) talking about how he’s planning to use the law (on Palestinians).

Israeli Jews who murder Palestinians don’t even get convicted. If they did the law would not cover this anyway as admitted even by supporters. But yeah, “it’s not a racist apartheid law”. Give over, no-one believes you believe this. You just believe it is acceptable to have a racist, apartheid law.

The law is there is there nonetheless so it isn't 'just for palestinians'.

We should be outraged at the death penalty worldwide. Why are you only bothered when it's israel? Do you know Saudi Arabia do it all the time.

CanAnybodyFindMe · 04/04/2026 09:44

And all this “it’s not a law just for Palestinians, it will be for Israeli Jews too” nonsense. Unconvincing. I don’t believe any one believes this. In the unlikely event anyone does genuinely believe it, I suggest looking up some videos of Ben-Gvir walking around prisons (of Palestinians) talking about how he’s planning to use the law (on Palestinians).

Israeli Jews who murder Palestinians don’t even get convicted. If they did the law would not cover this anyway as admitted even by supporters. But yeah, “it’s not a racist apartheid law”. Give over, no-one believes you believe this. You just believe it is acceptable to have a racist, apartheid law.

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Alexandra2001 · 04/04/2026 09:37

Gloriia · 04/04/2026 08:49

What atrocities, or do you mean the military retaliation for the actual atrocities committed on Oct 7th?

Revenge for October 7th isn't military retaliation at all.

Israel now doing similar in Lebanon, ethnic cleansing, mass killings of civilians, inc targeting journalists and medical staff, IDF now openly say what they are doing.
"Blew up a car carrying 3 people because 1 of the 3 may have been involved (in a journalistic capacity) with Hezbollah" IDF spokesman said.

Blew up a family of 4 girls and their mother because the son of a former Hezbollah employee was also in the house.
Mother and 8yo killed, the remaining 3 sisters suffering life changing injuries, inc loss of sight, burns and amputation, the boy escaped serious injury but doubtless IDF will blow up the hospital he is in....

If only we had words for people who do things like this.

CanAnybodyFindMe · 04/04/2026 09:28

Gloriia · 04/04/2026 08:49

What atrocities, or do you mean the military retaliation for the actual atrocities committed on Oct 7th?

Extraordinary. You are either totally uninformed or you are not posting in good faith. Either way, I’m not sure what you think you are achieving by denying what’s actually going on but you are really not helping your cause.

Maybe you think rape and torture of prisoners and forced starvation of civilians are “military retaliation”.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2026/01/20/rights-groups-report-widespread-sexual-violence-against-palestinians-in-israeli-prisons_6749618_4.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg4p90z1kxo

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/31/the-mathematics-of-starvation-how-israel-caused-a-famine-in-gaza

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/08/israels-escalating-use-torture-against-palestinians-custody-preventable

Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks
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Gloriia · 04/04/2026 08:49

Simplestars · 03/04/2026 21:56

Their time will come where they will be accountable for the attrocities in Palestine.

You can run but not hide.

What atrocities, or do you mean the military retaliation for the actual atrocities committed on Oct 7th?