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Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks

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CanAnybodyFindMe · 31/03/2026 14:07

“Israel's far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir wore a noose pin on his lapel to signal his support for the bill”

I first heard about this on Facebook and thought it might be anti-Israel fake news. But no, it’s true.

Absolutely horrifying and sickening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

Itamar Ben-Gvir wearing a black suit, red tie and white kippah, talking on a podium in front of Israeli flags

Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks face death penalty under new Israeli law

The new law, passed on Monday, was pushed hard by the far-right and Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

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Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 14:50

Anyone who can look at the this picture and side with the perpetrators, or think "Yeah, I can see how you would do that to someone" is not someone I would want to meet in real life:

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Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks
Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 14:49

Stirabout · 04/04/2026 14:38

And again
easy and simple visual you must have missed
for reference

Not sure why this didn't work before:
Anyone who can look at the this picture and side with the perpetrators, or think "Yeah, I can see how you would do that to someone" is not someone I would want to meet in real life:

Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks
Stirabout · 04/04/2026 14:48

Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 14:41

Losing a war you started doesn't make you right. Otherwise Hitler would be a victim.

Anyone who can look at the this picture and side with the perpetrators, or think "Yeah, I can see how you would do that to someone" is not someone I would want to meet in real life:

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Your Comment has nothing to do with those figures from 2008 to 2020
???
why tag me with an irrelevant comment

Gloriia · 04/04/2026 14:46

Stirabout · 04/04/2026 14:36

My understanding was the cringe factor is the constant
‘whataboutery ’
to justify
abhorrent actions by the Israeli Government

Because Theres no justification for the death penalty
The whataboutery on this thread seems to be all supporters of the Israeli Government have left to try and justify it
Nevertheless

It was clear what @CanAnybodyFindMe was referring to

Oh 'whataboutery', aka as perspective. Why only be outraged by the death penalty in this one country? A country constantly targeted by 'from the river to sea' jihaidi lunatics.

Object to the death penalty full stop. Not just when Israel impose it.

Stirabout · 04/04/2026 14:45

KatiePricesKnickers · 04/04/2026 14:33

@Stirabout ’murdered by Israel’.

Doesn’t sound like you are open minded.

Open minded enough to have opinions based on statistics and research
on reading many different opinions and not just ‘the propaganda’ of some
and unbiased enough to understand the true motives of Israel… ie the destruction of Palestine

Im also open minded enough to not see October 7th in isolation
I’m not scared to seek the real truth
See my pp on that

Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 14:41

Stirabout · 04/04/2026 14:38

And again
easy and simple visual you must have missed
for reference

Losing a war you started doesn't make you right. Otherwise Hitler would be a victim.

Anyone who can look at the this picture and side with the perpetrators, or think "Yeah, I can see how you would do that to someone" is not someone I would want to meet in real life:

Stirabout · 04/04/2026 14:38

Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 14:32

A couple of things: Hamas had been firing rockets into Israel from Gaza for years - any military actions aimed at trying to stop that is perfectly legal, and no other country would be expected to just put up with having rockets fired from over the border without responding. But what happened on Oct 7th was a completely different type of act, and it's clearly illegal and a war crime.

So Israel's invasion was in response to a war crime - and a war crime that Hamas promised to carry out over and over again - and that needs to be taken into account when considering what they did. It doesn't justify everything by any means, but anyone who claims that previous Israeli actions were the precursors to Hamas' massacre is justifying a war crime. Nothing can justify an attack like that EXCEPT if those civilians were actively threatening people's lives - and clearly they weren't.

A second thing is that Hamas didn't attack the far right settlers, they attacked the remains of the Israeli peace movement, the kibbutzim and peace activists like Vivian Silver and Oded Lifschitz. IMO that's not a coincidence - they did it because they wanted to kill the peace movement. Because Hamas doesn't want peace - they want dead Palestinians for the propaganda value. So the attack was against the very section of Israeli society that was most likely to want to reach a peaceful compromise with Palestinians. They were a soft target, not the people who were a threat to Palestinians.

If you're Israeli, there's a lesson there - and I don't think it's a lesson that incites to compromise and peace.

And again
easy and simple visual you must have missed
for reference

Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks
Stirabout · 04/04/2026 14:36

Gloriia · 04/04/2026 14:26

It makes you 'cringe' when people point out the unpalatable truth that many other countries have the death penalty?

How many threads have you started to protest about those countries? 1, 5, none? If it is none please ask yourself why.

The outrage about Israel is a bit selective, no? I wonder why.

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My understanding was the cringe factor is the constant
‘whataboutery ’
to justify
abhorrent actions by the Israeli Government

Because Theres no justification for the death penalty
The whataboutery on this thread seems to be all supporters of the Israeli Government have left to try and justify it
Nevertheless

It was clear what @CanAnybodyFindMe was referring to

KatiePricesKnickers · 04/04/2026 14:33

@Stirabout ’murdered by Israel’.

Doesn’t sound like you are open minded.

Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 14:32

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 14:00

No after Oct 7 there was an escalation in Israels military action. You said in terms of military action it all started then. I'm saying it clearly didn't when Israel were bombing Gaza for days in the weeks prior to Oct 7 they escalated their military action after Oct 7 but that wasnt the start of anythung. Israels military action in Gaza has been ongoing for longer than I have been alive.

A couple of things: Hamas had been firing rockets into Israel from Gaza for years - any military actions aimed at trying to stop that is perfectly legal, and no other country would be expected to just put up with having rockets fired from over the border without responding. But what happened on Oct 7th was a completely different type of act, and it's clearly illegal and a war crime.

So Israel's invasion was in response to a war crime - and a war crime that Hamas promised to carry out over and over again - and that needs to be taken into account when considering what they did. It doesn't justify everything by any means, but anyone who claims that previous Israeli actions were the precursors to Hamas' massacre is justifying a war crime. Nothing can justify an attack like that EXCEPT if those civilians were actively threatening people's lives - and clearly they weren't.

A second thing is that Hamas didn't attack the far right settlers, they attacked the remains of the Israeli peace movement, the kibbutzim and peace activists like Vivian Silver and Oded Lifschitz. IMO that's not a coincidence - they did it because they wanted to kill the peace movement. Because Hamas doesn't want peace - they want dead Palestinians for the propaganda value. So the attack was against the very section of Israeli society that was most likely to want to reach a peaceful compromise with Palestinians. They were a soft target, not the people who were a threat to Palestinians.

If you're Israeli, there's a lesson there - and I don't think it's a lesson that incites to compromise and peace.

Stirabout · 04/04/2026 14:31

KatiePricesKnickers · 04/04/2026 14:25

@Stirabout ’Nothing happens in a vacuum’.
Correct.

October 7th.
The destruction of Gaza.
Death penalty for terrorists.

RTT
pre
October 7th

Let’s not pick and chose conveniently

Stirabout · 04/04/2026 14:29

Gloriia · 04/04/2026 14:14

'Israels military action in Gaza has been ongoing for longer than I have been alive.'

You need to read up on this a bit. They pulled all Israelis out of gaza in 2006, even bodies in cemeteries. They left the gazans to it, to flourish with millions in aid yet they blew it all on weapons and building all their tunnels then kept killing Israelis.

What should Israel do, just let them? Of course they retaliated before Oct 7th and after. We should be thanking them for getting rid of some of the suicidal lunatics in hamas.

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Israelis not living in Gaza is completely irrelevant

look at the stats with an open mind
check out the injured and murdered by Israel with an open mind

Here’s a snippet to start you off from 2008 to 2020, so post your well there aren’t any Israelis in Gaza now
And
during your period of so called left to flourish

( posted multiple times across the CEM threads already. Amazed you missed it, surprised you don’t already know it )

Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks
Gloriia · 04/04/2026 14:26

CanAnybodyFindMe · 04/04/2026 10:46

Honestly, it makes me cringe.

It makes you 'cringe' when people point out the unpalatable truth that many other countries have the death penalty?

How many threads have you started to protest about those countries? 1, 5, none? If it is none please ask yourself why.

The outrage about Israel is a bit selective, no? I wonder why.

KatiePricesKnickers · 04/04/2026 14:25

@Stirabout ’Nothing happens in a vacuum’.
Correct.

October 7th.
The destruction of Gaza.
Death penalty for terrorists.

Gloriia · 04/04/2026 14:14

'Israels military action in Gaza has been ongoing for longer than I have been alive.'

You need to read up on this a bit. They pulled all Israelis out of gaza in 2006, even bodies in cemeteries. They left the gazans to it, to flourish with millions in aid yet they blew it all on weapons and building all their tunnels then kept killing Israelis.

What should Israel do, just let them? Of course they retaliated before Oct 7th and after. We should be thanking them for getting rid of some of the suicidal lunatics in hamas.

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 14:00

Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 12:40

Kidnapping civilians is NOT an "escalation" in military actions, it's a war crime/crime against humanity or whatever depending on the context. It is NOT a legal military action.

No after Oct 7 there was an escalation in Israels military action. You said in terms of military action it all started then. I'm saying it clearly didn't when Israel were bombing Gaza for days in the weeks prior to Oct 7 they escalated their military action after Oct 7 but that wasnt the start of anythung. Israels military action in Gaza has been ongoing for longer than I have been alive.

Stirabout · 04/04/2026 13:09

CanAnybodyFindMe · 04/04/2026 12:49

Ah, the “it all started on October 7th 2023” manoeuvre.

Agree

and this research and analysis very clearly identifies the lead up
Nothing happens in a vacuum

‘ Large segments of the international public were surprised by the October 7th and subsequent events in Occupied Palestinian Territory.

Yet, several factors had culminated over the past year which - if analysed properly- would certainly lead us to conclude that disruption of the status quo was only a matter of time.

Top amongst these factors was the installment of an extreme right wing Israeli government in December 2022, under the leadership of Benjamin Netanyahu, which immediately proceeded to escalate tensions and outright hostility against the Palestinians in both rhetoric and practice.

A few days after the government’s formation, Israel’s far-right national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, entered the Al-Aqsa Mosquecompound in East Jerusalem despite all warnings that such an action would inflame tensions.

In March of 2023, the Minister of Finance Bezalel Smotrich called for the Palestinian village of Hawara to be ‘wiped out’ by the Israeli government, which further fueled anger and frustration among Palestinians.

In recent years, Israel has confiscated over 400 dunams from Hawara, Beita, and Awarta villages to make way for a huge bypass road that will be used by the Israeli military and settlers. In addition, Israel set up the Hawara military checkpoint on a road leading into Nablus, effectively cutting the city off from neighboring villages. As a result, tensions grew between Palestinians of Nablus and the Israeli army. In what later was called a ‘pogrom’ by an Israeli Military Commander, and with full support from Israel's army, settlers rampaged Hawaravillage and burned the cars, homes, and other Palestinian properties therein. Jenin, another Palestinian city in the West Bank, was a target for Israel’s army. The city along with its refugee camp has been attacked three times since the beginning of 2023. The latest raid was in July and resulted in the death of twelve Palestinians, including four children. Overall, these raids were violent and deadly, whether committed by the Israeli army or settlers, and had resulted in the

death of at least 200 Palestinians in the West Bank making 2023 the deadliest year for Palestinians, particularly children, in the West Bank since 2002.

With ultranationalists and ultra-orthodox Jewish parties occupying high level positions, Netanyahu’s cabinet has pledged to expand illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank.
-In June, the installment of more than 5,000 new settlement homes was approved by the Israeli government.
-Since January of this year Israel has proceeded with 12,855 settler housing units across the West Bank.
According to Peace Now, this was the single biggest number of new settlements since it started tracking such activity in 2012.

Three weeks before the October 7 events, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu presented a map of “The New Middle East,” without any image or mention of Palestine, during his speech to the UN’s General Assembly in New York. The maps did not show the West Bank, East Jerusalem, or Gaza. This reaffirmed what Palestinians knew, that there was no chance that Netanyahu’s government would proceed with peace talks with Palestinians.

Throughout his years in power, Netanyahu has provided consistent evidence that an independent Palestinian state was not on his agenda, while attacks and settler encroachment continued to try and push Palestinians off their land.

The frequency and multitude of violations lead several Palestinian leaders to warn that such escalations would ignite the conflict with Israelis. However, the Israeli authorities continued to turn a deaf ear to these warnings and so did the international community, which from a Palestinian perspective, continues a pattern of behaviour they have endured since 1948.
security in context

Israel’s military called the settler attack on this Palestinian town a ‘pogrom.’ Videos show soldiers did little to stop it | CNN

When hundreds of Israeli settlers rampaged through Huwara and surrounding Palestinian towns in the occupied West Bank on February 26, leaving at least one Palestinian man dead and hundreds of others injured, it was billed as “revenge” after a Palestini...

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/15/middleeast/huwara-west-bank-settler-attack-cmd-intl/index.html

CanAnybodyFindMe · 04/04/2026 12:49

Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 12:18

If this hadn't all begun with a massacre by Palestinians against Israeli civilians, you might have a stronger point. But it did.

Ah, the “it all started on October 7th 2023” manoeuvre.

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CanAnybodyFindMe · 04/04/2026 12:47

Bluegreenbird · 04/04/2026 11:29

Well yes. There aren’t many Israeli Jews who will seek to try and obliterate Israel and the Jews.

Yes. Exactly. You codify into law that crimes against group of people A will be treated more severely than crimes against another group of people B. And then say everyone is being treated equally because everyone who commits crimes against group A is punished equally 🙄

What about people who seek to try to obliterated Gaza and the Palestinians?

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Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 12:40

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 12:37

So the military action 2 weeks before Oct 7 when Israel were bombing Gaza doesn't count? Oct 7 definitely marked an escalation but to pretend that Israel were not militarily involved with Gaza before Oct 7 is pure fantasy.

Kidnapping civilians is NOT an "escalation" in military actions, it's a war crime/crime against humanity or whatever depending on the context. It is NOT a legal military action.

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 12:37

Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 12:29

Unless you're saying that the Oct 7th attack was defensive, then in terms of military action it did all start then.

And for info, there's no such thing as a defensive action that deliberately targets civilians to kidnap or murder - by definition that's a crime against humanity. At the time that happened, there was no corresponding physical threat to Palestinians from Israel. So, Hamas began the hostilities.

So the military action 2 weeks before Oct 7 when Israel were bombing Gaza doesn't count? Oct 7 definitely marked an escalation but to pretend that Israel were not militarily involved with Gaza before Oct 7 is pure fantasy.

Stirabout · 04/04/2026 12:33

Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 12:29

Unless you're saying that the Oct 7th attack was defensive, then in terms of military action it did all start then.

And for info, there's no such thing as a defensive action that deliberately targets civilians to kidnap or murder - by definition that's a crime against humanity. At the time that happened, there was no corresponding physical threat to Palestinians from Israel. So, Hamas began the hostilities.

Suggest you look at the the number of Palestinians killed by Israel prior to October 7th
and
The UNGA meeting in September 2023
Its clear you aren’t aware of the Israeli Governments real intentions or actions

Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 12:29

Stirabout · 04/04/2026 12:24

No
This didn’t all start with the massacre of Israeli civilians by Palestinians
Not all Palestinians are Hamas
Not only are you inflaming what happened on October 7th for your own narrative you are ignoring history
You are also forgetting Netanyahu's speech in September 2023

The motive behind Netanyahu’s far right Government has been made clear for a long time before October 7th and the killing of innocent Palestinians evident throughout.

Unless you're saying that the Oct 7th attack was defensive, then in terms of military action it did all start then.

And for info, there's no such thing as a defensive action that deliberately targets civilians to kidnap or murder - by definition that's a crime against humanity. At the time that happened, there was no corresponding physical threat to Palestinians from Israel. So, Hamas began the hostilities.

Stirabout · 04/04/2026 12:24

Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 12:18

If this hadn't all begun with a massacre by Palestinians against Israeli civilians, you might have a stronger point. But it did.

No
This didn’t all start with the massacre of Israeli civilians by Palestinians
Not all Palestinians are Hamas
Not only are you inflaming what happened on October 7th for your own narrative you are ignoring history
You are also forgetting Netanyahu's speech in September 2023

The motive behind Netanyahu’s far right Government has been made clear for a long time before October 7th and the killing of innocent Palestinians evident throughout.

Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 12:18

Ellen2shoes · 04/04/2026 12:08

Israel’s focus is on obliterating Palestine and the Palestinians. That is the sole point of the bill

The ‘double standards’ lie within the wording which effects practices amounting to apartheid.

Amnesty International says that the system routinely relies on evidence extracted through torture and abuse. The death sentence will be imposed even if prosecutors do not seek it. Convictions need no longer be unanimous. There is no possibility of pardon. Executions must take place within 90 days.

Within Israeli civilian courts, the new law imposes the death penalty for deliberately killing a person with the intention of “negating the existence of the State of Israel”. Life imprisonment can only substitute in unspecified “special” circumstances.

Images and footage of Israeli ministers gleefully jigging about sporting their noose badges toasting this obscene law with champagne speak for themselves.

apple.news/AXVvoekczQByQfCIoXjtDKg

If this hadn't all begun with a massacre by Palestinians against Israeli civilians, you might have a stronger point. But it did.