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Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks

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CanAnybodyFindMe · 31/03/2026 14:07

“Israel's far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir wore a noose pin on his lapel to signal his support for the bill”

I first heard about this on Facebook and thought it might be anti-Israel fake news. But no, it’s true.

Absolutely horrifying and sickening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

Itamar Ben-Gvir wearing a black suit, red tie and white kippah, talking on a podium in front of Israeli flags

Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks face death penalty under new Israeli law

The new law, passed on Monday, was pushed hard by the far-right and Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

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Ellen2shoes · 28/04/2026 22:35

Read the thread

Ihatetomatoes · 28/04/2026 22:35

Ellen2shoes · 28/04/2026 22:28

A reminder of the thread

Your previous post deviated. Are you the only poster allowed to deviate.

Ihatetomatoes · 28/04/2026 22:33

Ellen2shoes · 28/04/2026 22:11

Let’s not sanction Israel because they haven’t attacked Jordan or Egypt!

Should we lift sanctions on Russia because they haven’t attacked Poland or China?

Jordan and Egypt along with others attacked Israel after its formation. They then made peace when Israel defeated them, therefore its relevant. The point is, they made peace and have moved forward accepting Israel. Others choose to keep attacking rather than peace.

Ellen2shoes · 28/04/2026 22:28

CanAnybodyFindMe · 31/03/2026 14:10

Statement by the Foreign Ministers of Germany, France, Italy and the United Kingdom on Israel's Death Penalty Bill.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-statement-on-israels-death-penalty-bill-29-march-2026

A reminder of the thread

Ellen2shoes · 28/04/2026 22:11

Let’s not sanction Israel because they haven’t attacked Jordan or Egypt!

Should we lift sanctions on Russia because they haven’t attacked Poland or China?

Emilesgran · 28/04/2026 14:25

Ihatetomatoes · 28/04/2026 14:15

Egypt and Jordan wanted peace with Israel and achieved it. Good for them.

Not only that, but Israel, after defeating them in war, gave them back land that Israel had conquered in exchange for peace. Basically all Israel demanded of Egypt and Jordan in return was not to be attacked again.

Hardly the actions of a determined warmonger and landgrabber.

Ihatetomatoes · 28/04/2026 14:15

Emilesgran · 28/04/2026 11:42

Al Jazeera and the Irish Times - that’ll be a totally objective account of events in Syria. (Hint: there’s practically a civil war going on there still, with the government murdering civilians in many areas. Israel has been asked by Israeli Druze to help the Syrian Druze from being murdered by the regime as Christians, Alawites and other minorities are in various regions in Syria)

What about Egypt or Jordan? Has Israel attacked them?

Egypt and Jordan wanted peace with Israel and achieved it. Good for them.

Emilesgran · 28/04/2026 11:42

Al Jazeera and the Irish Times - that’ll be a totally objective account of events in Syria. (Hint: there’s practically a civil war going on there still, with the government murdering civilians in many areas. Israel has been asked by Israeli Druze to help the Syrian Druze from being murdered by the regime as Christians, Alawites and other minorities are in various regions in Syria)

What about Egypt or Jordan? Has Israel attacked them?

Emilesgran · 28/04/2026 11:36

Stirabout · 27/04/2026 10:15

Thanks Ellen
thankfully , irrespective of age, we do not to ignore the past

Syria is not really a single country any more - different factions are present in different areas and for example the Druze in Soweida have asked Israel to help protect them from the sort of exactions the current government is committing against civilians in places like Lattakia.

Also I wouldn’t rely too heavily on the Irish Times’ or Al Jazeera’s coverage of events there. They’re in thrall to the Islamists.

But the other two countries are very relevant to the point being made: neither Egypt nor Jordan are being attacked by Israel because they have not attacked Israel in decades. That’s despite both those countries having been part of the Arab coalition that attacked Israel the day after it was created because they didn’t want it to exist.

So Israel is happy to make peace with countries that are willing to make peace with Israel. And has given back land that it won in war against those countries in exchange for peace. But peace has to be on the table. Hamas don’t want peace and nor does Hezbollah.

Dreamymeme · 27/04/2026 03:23

Stirabout · 27/04/2026 02:20

Why not Wiki the history for starters
it might help your understanding

i’m way past explaining it all

I'm old enough to remember history.

Stirabout · 27/04/2026 02:20

Dreamymeme · 26/04/2026 23:51

If only Gazaans and Lebanese hadn't fired thousands of missiles into Israel, targeting military and civilians alike.

Fun fac: Syria, Egypt and Jordan don't fire missiles into Israel, and Israel doesn't bomb them.

Why not Wiki the history for starters
it might help your understanding

i’m way past explaining it all

Dreamymeme · 26/04/2026 23:51

Stirabout · 23/04/2026 13:57

Israel have invaded Gaza and now Lebanon

Just like Russia they should have been thrown out long ago irrespective of this new death penalty law

They have absolutely no right to special treatment

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If only Gazaans and Lebanese hadn't fired thousands of missiles into Israel, targeting military and civilians alike.

Fun fac: Syria, Egypt and Jordan don't fire missiles into Israel, and Israel doesn't bomb them.

Stirabout · 23/04/2026 13:57

Israel have invaded Gaza and now Lebanon

Just like Russia they should have been thrown out long ago irrespective of this new death penalty law

They have absolutely no right to special treatment

Alexandra2001 · 23/04/2026 13:27

Israeli long ago should have been sanctioned/thrown out of organisations/competitions for murdering First Responders, Medics and Journalists often using double/treble strikes to maximise the death count.

That they now want to hang Palestinians is of no surprise.

I used to thing Russia was a murderous state (they still are) but compared to the Israelis, are lambs.

Martymcfly24 · 05/04/2026 20:44

ObsessiveGoogler · 05/04/2026 20:24

I don’t have sympathy for terrorists. But I would be extremely concerned about how safe any conviction is. And in thr meantime settlers kill Palestinians with complete impunity - the divide in how the two groups are reseated just gets wider and wider.

Agree.
The politician who drafted the bill has sympathy for some terrorists ironically. Limor Son Har Melech spoke in defence of an Israeli terrorist who torched a house killing 3 including a 12 month old baby.

Stirabout · 05/04/2026 20:41

Emilesgran · 05/04/2026 17:59

But they didn't see it with their own eyes - much of it has been fabricated by Hamas or their sympathisers. Remember the NYT claims about whildren being shot in the head or chest by IDF soldiers? A medical impossibility, it turns out:
www.jurist.org/commentary/2024/10/the-weaponization-of-medical-misinformation-and-the-war-in-gaza/

The IDF were doing it before the recent war
Why would they stop during it

Palestinian shot in back of head puts Israel's use of force under scrutiny
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2 September 2023
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Image caption,
Ameed, a 33-year-old electrician, has been in intensive care for almost two weeks after being shot by Israeli soldiers

ByTom Bateman
BBC Middle East correspondent

The sound of a single gunshot echoes around the street as a man in a white t-shirt runs away from where an Israeli military jeep has been sighted.

In that instant, blood is seen spraying above him and he collapses forwards.

Ameed al-Jaghoub, unarmed and apparently rushing to help a wounded man, had been shot in the back of the head during an Israeli raid in the occupied West Bank village of Beita.

Nearly a fortnight on, he remains critically ill in intensive care.
Mobile phone footage of the moment the 33-year-old was hit is among the clearest documentation in recent years of the use of lethal force by Israeli troops against an unarmed Palestinian.

His case is the latest to be highlighted by human rights groups, who say that casualty rates from what they describe as "unjustified" use of force are at their highest in two decades.

It comes with the West Bank engulfed in a crisis of violence involving a rising number of deadly attacks by Palestinians against Israelis, growing mob violence by Israeli settlers, and waves of lethal Israeli military raids into Palestinian cities.

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The group Human Rights Watch has called for an international response to Israel's use of lethal force in the West Bank

Amid the clatter and grime of roadside car workshops, while children grapple to race an adult bike downhill, the street in Beita is still stained with blood. The village is depressingly familiar with the West Bank's epidemic of suffering.
Doctors say Mr Jaghoub may not survive.

His family is praying for a "miracle" but knows if he lives, he will be severely brain damaged. "This guy was hit to be killed," intensive care specialist Dr Sufwan Fayyad told the BBC.

Troops raided Beita on 21 August to detain a resident. According to locals, the forces believed the man's family could know clues as to the whereabouts of a gunman who days before had killed two Israelis - a father and son - at a carwash in the nearby town of Hawara.

That attack sparked a wave of military detentions and intelligence gathering raids as troops searched for the suspect, who remains at large.

Residents threw stones and broken masonry at armoured troop carriers as they entered. Witnesses told the BBC that Israeli paramilitary border police officers exited a jeep that had stopped at the top of the street where Mr Jaghoub had joined a crowd of young men and teenagers.

As he ran away from the area where the troops were stationed, one shot him in the back of the head, said the witnesses.
In the footage, Mr Jaghoub is seen in the seconds before he is struck, heading towards a group lifting a wounded man onto a stretcher.
Earlier, a member of the police special forces had reportedly approached another resident, Mahmoud Elian, who says the officer told him to "go and tell these children to get away from here because I'm here to kill". He said the officer, who spoke to him in Hebrew, repeated the phrase twice.

Israel's Border Police did not respond to questions from the BBC about the claim.

Asked about Mr Jaghoub's case, the force did not answer questions about specifically why he was shot. In a statement, it said its troops faced a "violent riot" in Beita "that endangered the lives of the security forces present".

It said: "As the riot increased, [so] did the level of response by the security forces. Additionally, the forces responded with .22 ammunition and live fire. Hits were identified."

Image caption,
Graphic footage of the shooting has circulated widely on social media
At the family home, Mr Jaghoub's toddler son Yanal is held by his grandfather. The family worries mostly for the children. Mr Jaghoub is an electrician, who often crossed the military checkpoints into Israel, where the pay can be up to five times that in the West Bank.
"This is a cruel and a cowardly act," Mr Jaghoub's father Ghaleb says. "Because he was on his way to do a humanitarian act. He was not carrying a stone or a weapon or anything."
"His children are young and do not realise what is happening, but they ask about him all the time," he tells the BBC.

His family says they have received calls from human rights groups based in Israel, as well as the Israeli media after footage of the shooting that has been circulated widely on social media. But they doubt it will make any difference.
Despite reviews into similar incidents being announced by Israeli forces, the overwhelming majority of cases do not lead to prosecutions or meaningful accountability.

In Mr Jaghoub's case, the US State Department, which has become unusually outspoken over some Israeli actions in the West Bank, particularly in light of growing settler violence, said it was "alarmed" by the report of "an Israeli shooting an unarmed Palestinian civilian from behind as the latter was walking away from an Israeli position". It called for a thorough investigation and "full accountability".

Mr Jaghoub's brother Said, who has been making daily trips to his bedside, says: "The world will do nothing for us. We always appeal to the international community, but unfortunately the Israeli attacks are increasing."

Image caption,

The West Bank has seen an escalation of violence with deadly attacks by Palestinians against Israelis, Israeli military raids and violence by Israeli settlers
Beita found itself at the heart of the West Bank's escalating violence in May 2021, when an Israeli settler group established the nearby outpost of Evyatar, cutting off the Palestinian village from part of its lands.

The settlers built the outpost in apparent retribution for the murder of Yehuda Guetta, a 19-year-old yeshiva student, who was shot dead by a Palestinian-American who came from a town 20km (12 miles) away from Beita.

All settlements are illegal under international law, although Israel disputes this. But outposts like Evyatar, which often involve taking privately-owned Palestinian land, are also illegal under Israeli law.

In the year after Evyatar's establishment, Israeli forces killed nine Palestinians, eight of them from Beita, during weekly protests against the outpost, according to the Israel-based human rights group B'Tselem.

The village has already "paid a massive price" for the growth of illegal settlement outposts in the Nablus region, says Sarit Michaeli, international advocacy officer at the organisation.

Likening it to the demonstrations around Beita, she puts Mr Jaghoub's shooting down to the use of "open fire regulations" by Israeli forces.
"It's important to stress this is not an isolated incident… We're talking about a broad policy that is the use of lethal force," she says.
"The fact that some people were throwing stones [and] the claim that soldiers or border police officers were involved in some sort of clash with Palestinians doesn't simply allow them the authority to shoot an unarmed person in the head," she said.

Under international law, the use of firearms by security forces against civilians is defined as a measure of last resort and can only take place to stop an "imminent threat of death or serious injury".

Israel routinely rejects the accusations by rights groups, saying its forces operate to protect Israeli civilians and lethal force is necessary against what Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has called a current "terror wave" in the West Bank.

At least 220 Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, and 33 Israelis have been killed since the start of this year.

The BBC
2nd September 2023

Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks
ObsessiveGoogler · 05/04/2026 20:24

Twiglets1 · 05/04/2026 17:07

It’s true the death penalty in this case would be for terrorist murderers so in one sense … no shits given.

With the death sentence, the concern is always about if mistakes are made, however.

I don’t have sympathy for terrorists. But I would be extremely concerned about how safe any conviction is. And in thr meantime settlers kill Palestinians with complete impunity - the divide in how the two groups are reseated just gets wider and wider.

Emilesgran · 05/04/2026 17:59

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 19:32

People know what they saw with their own eyes. Israeli bombs leaving people with injuries that the worst imagination couldn't come up with. You can blame Hamas all you like but people know what they saw. They saw IDF soldiers dancing in the underwear of the women that they killed, forcing Drs to abandon babies in their incubators, they saw the IDF shooting people as they tried to rescue their loved ones, dropping bombs on rescue workers in double tap strikes, killing children queuing up for water. People saw all of that and no 'blame Hamas' can change what people saw. That coupled with the most repulsive rhetoric from members of the Israeli government, IDF and some members of the Israeli public. It has all been stomach churningly awful to watch and to hear. Nothing can erase that, people know what they have seen from Israel and it has been repulsive.

Should that mean that people care more about Palestinians than the people they haven't seen starved and bombed and tortured, probably not but it's human nature to care about people when you see them being treated worse than you could ever have imagined day after day, month after month.

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But they didn't see it with their own eyes - much of it has been fabricated by Hamas or their sympathisers. Remember the NYT claims about whildren being shot in the head or chest by IDF soldiers? A medical impossibility, it turns out:
www.jurist.org/commentary/2024/10/the-weaponization-of-medical-misinformation-and-the-war-in-gaza/

Emilesgran · 05/04/2026 17:56

Stirabout · 04/04/2026 20:35

We saw and heard a lot on mainstream news aswell before they killed over 220 journalists and banned the rest.

Some of us don’t watch insta and stuff. Some of us read and see the news.

Those "journalists" were at the very least completely under the thumb of Hamas, and many were more or less closely associated with them.

I mean, nobody actually believes that anyone in Gaza was taken on a journalism course based purely on their writing skills, do they?

And for anyone doing such a course, I don't expect that objective reporting was a big part of the lessons.

AP long ago admitted that their reports from Gaza were written/edited according to what Hamas allowed them to say. It's obvious that the rest are going to be the same. Hamas are not interested in letting journalists report the truth.

Marysnail · 05/04/2026 17:52

Twiglets1 · 05/04/2026 17:07

It’s true the death penalty in this case would be for terrorist murderers so in one sense … no shits given.

With the death sentence, the concern is always about if mistakes are made, however.

excatly, people would rather keep terrorists alive. i weep for humanity

Twiglets1 · 05/04/2026 17:07

It’s true the death penalty in this case would be for terrorist murderers so in one sense … no shits given.

With the death sentence, the concern is always about if mistakes are made, however.

CanAnybodyFindMe · 05/04/2026 17:01

Dreamymeme · 05/04/2026 15:28

I haven't read the whole thread yet, but this is a point that baffles me. Both here and on X.

Forget the fact that it's not actually a discriminatory law, as it would apply to Jews as well as to Americans and Spaniards, say, who'd commit the specific crime. Putting that to a side, it only applies to terrorists who murder others in order to negate the existence of the State of Israel.

It would seem to me it's quite easy not to fall foul of the law.

Absolutely, I don’t know why people are so anti the death penalty. I mean, surely people just need to not commit murder/whatever crime has the death penalty in their country. What’s all the fuss about?

You could read the thread if you want your discrimination question answered.

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