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Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks

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CanAnybodyFindMe · 31/03/2026 14:07

“Israel's far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir wore a noose pin on his lapel to signal his support for the bill”

I first heard about this on Facebook and thought it might be anti-Israel fake news. But no, it’s true.

Absolutely horrifying and sickening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

Itamar Ben-Gvir wearing a black suit, red tie and white kippah, talking on a podium in front of Israeli flags

Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks face death penalty under new Israeli law

The new law, passed on Monday, was pushed hard by the far-right and Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

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Stirabout · 29/04/2026 09:16

Boolabus · 29/04/2026 09:09

Who are you talking about here?

What is the agenda of those deflecting from the thread title of the death penalty for Palestinian detainees in Israel and the horrific reports of their rape and abuse? I'm quite concerned about people's need to do that.

this has been the pro Israeli modus operandi on these threads for years now
They don’t like discussing Israeli atrocities

Twiglets1 · 29/04/2026 09:14

Boolabus · 29/04/2026 09:09

Who are you talking about here?

What is the agenda of those deflecting from the thread title of the death penalty for Palestinian detainees in Israel and the horrific reports of their rape and abuse? I'm quite concerned about people's need to do that.

Threads get diverted onto other topics all the time.

I get frustrated by it sometimes on threads I have started to discuss a particular topic - but get told that people can post where they want about what they want.

There is no more agenda on this thread than all the dozens of others where the debate meanders around and covers lots of other subjects beyond the original thread title.

Twiglets1 · 29/04/2026 09:09

Alexandra2001 · 29/04/2026 09:06

Oh so war crimes are now all ok.

This is why we are where we are, Israel can do no wrong, what they do is excusable and all good to go in the world of the pro mass murderers.

@Twiglets1 as for people hating jews.... well i think you will find plenty of people hate Russians for what they are doing in Ukraine or hating Iranians for gunning down students.

Its the actions people hate.

Where are all these people who hate Russians for what they are doing in Ukraine? I don't see them on social media including Mumsnet.

Also, there is no big backlash against Iranians, that I am aware of. It is the IRGC Westerners hate and want proscribed as the terrorists they undoubtedly are.

Boolabus · 29/04/2026 09:09

Twiglets1 · 29/04/2026 08:46

No one's antisemitic!

They just have a special hatred for Israel and in some cases, Jews generally.

Who are you talking about here?

What is the agenda of those deflecting from the thread title of the death penalty for Palestinian detainees in Israel and the horrific reports of their rape and abuse? I'm quite concerned about people's need to do that.

Alexandra2001 · 29/04/2026 09:06

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 08:43

Every country that has ever gone to war has committed war crimes and there’s no reason to think Israel is different. Pakistan bombed a hospital in Kabul only weeks ago and nobody seemed to care much about that.

Israel was attacked and Israel responded. Only Israel is held to a different, higher standard where it’s expected to take years of rocket attacks against its civilians without responding - and when it does respond it’s blamed for being stronger than those who attacked Israeli civilians first.

Not only that but even Jews without Israeli nationality are attacked around the world, and the very same people claiming only to object to Israel’s actions rush to explain that of course Jews everywhere must expect to be blamed for Israel’s action or just existence.

It’s bizarre. Almost as though there was a special level of hatred for Israelis and Jews generally.

If only there was a word for that.

Oh so war crimes are now all ok.

This is why we are where we are, Israel can do no wrong, what they do is excusable and all good to go in the world of the pro mass murderers.

@Twiglets1 as for people hating jews.... well i think you will find plenty of people hate Russians for what they are doing in Ukraine or hating Iranians for gunning down students.

Its the actions people hate.

Stirabout · 29/04/2026 09:05

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 08:43

Every country that has ever gone to war has committed war crimes and there’s no reason to think Israel is different. Pakistan bombed a hospital in Kabul only weeks ago and nobody seemed to care much about that.

Israel was attacked and Israel responded. Only Israel is held to a different, higher standard where it’s expected to take years of rocket attacks against its civilians without responding - and when it does respond it’s blamed for being stronger than those who attacked Israeli civilians first.

Not only that but even Jews without Israeli nationality are attacked around the world, and the very same people claiming only to object to Israel’s actions rush to explain that of course Jews everywhere must expect to be blamed for Israel’s action or just existence.

It’s bizarre. Almost as though there was a special level of hatred for Israelis and Jews generally.

If only there was a word for that.

Israel is no more special than any other aggressor

Twiglets1 · 29/04/2026 08:46

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 08:43

Every country that has ever gone to war has committed war crimes and there’s no reason to think Israel is different. Pakistan bombed a hospital in Kabul only weeks ago and nobody seemed to care much about that.

Israel was attacked and Israel responded. Only Israel is held to a different, higher standard where it’s expected to take years of rocket attacks against its civilians without responding - and when it does respond it’s blamed for being stronger than those who attacked Israeli civilians first.

Not only that but even Jews without Israeli nationality are attacked around the world, and the very same people claiming only to object to Israel’s actions rush to explain that of course Jews everywhere must expect to be blamed for Israel’s action or just existence.

It’s bizarre. Almost as though there was a special level of hatred for Israelis and Jews generally.

If only there was a word for that.

No one's antisemitic!

They just have a special hatred for Israel and in some cases, Jews generally.

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 08:43

Alexandra2001 · 29/04/2026 08:34

Israel has the right to defend itself, i don't think too many people would disagree with that idea.

What is Israel is doing though is far beyond that, bombing schools, hospitals, targeting medical workers, journalists, the torture of detainies.

The mass killing of civilians, how can anyone justify 80k Gazan deaths? now using the tactics in Lebanon.

The current Israeli govt has wrecked Israel's reputation around the world.

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Every country that has ever gone to war has committed war crimes and there’s no reason to think Israel is different. Pakistan bombed a hospital in Kabul only weeks ago and nobody seemed to care much about that.

Israel was attacked and Israel responded. Only Israel is held to a different, higher standard where it’s expected to take years of rocket attacks against its civilians without responding - and when it does respond it’s blamed for being stronger than those who attacked Israeli civilians first.

Not only that but even Jews without Israeli nationality are attacked around the world, and the very same people claiming only to object to Israel’s actions rush to explain that of course Jews everywhere must expect to be blamed for Israel’s action or just existence.

It’s bizarre. Almost as though there was a special level of hatred for Israelis and Jews generally.

If only there was a word for that.

Twiglets1 · 29/04/2026 08:36

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 08:27

It’s relevant when people are accusing Israel of attacking neighbouring countries. They don’t though - they only attack those who are attacking them.
And the proof is that other countries with whom they’ve previously been at war have not been attacked NOW.
ONLY the ones that are attacking them NOW.

See how that works?

Yes it's a good point well made @Emilesgran that Israel only attack those who are attacking them.

People who won't acknowledge that just can't see beyond hating Israel so they have to divert attention from that simple truth.

Alexandra2001 · 29/04/2026 08:34

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 08:27

It’s relevant when people are accusing Israel of attacking neighbouring countries. They don’t though - they only attack those who are attacking them.
And the proof is that other countries with whom they’ve previously been at war have not been attacked NOW.
ONLY the ones that are attacking them NOW.

See how that works?

Israel has the right to defend itself, i don't think too many people would disagree with that idea.

What is Israel is doing though is far beyond that, bombing schools, hospitals, targeting medical workers, journalists, the torture of detainies.

The mass killing of civilians, how can anyone justify 80k Gazan deaths? now using the tactics in Lebanon.

The current Israeli govt has wrecked Israel's reputation around the world.

Boolabus · 29/04/2026 08:30

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 08:27

It’s relevant when people are accusing Israel of attacking neighbouring countries. They don’t though - they only attack those who are attacking them.
And the proof is that other countries with whom they’ve previously been at war have not been attacked NOW.
ONLY the ones that are attacking them NOW.

See how that works?

See how that works?
No none of what you've said gives us much insight into current Israeli policy or proves Israel only attack when attacked. Things are far more complicated than that as well you know. For instance are Egypt and Jordan illegally occupied?
And what has any of this to do with treatment of Palestinian detainees in Israel?

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 08:27

Boolabus · 29/04/2026 08:12

Why are you going back to the 1960s/70s As if it is somehow relevant to the actions of the current Israeli government and what they do. Because it's not and using it as some sort of justification for Israel's actions in Palestine and Lebanon makes no sense and less sense on this thread which is discussing the death penalty for Palestinian detainees.

It’s relevant when people are accusing Israel of attacking neighbouring countries. They don’t though - they only attack those who are attacking them.
And the proof is that other countries with whom they’ve previously been at war have not been attacked NOW.
ONLY the ones that are attacking them NOW.

See how that works?

Boolabus · 29/04/2026 08:12

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 07:37

This has been explained to you but I’ll repeat: Egypt and Jordan both ATTACKED Israel, lost land, and despite that, Israel have back the land they’d lost in exchange for Egypt and Jordan committing to no longer attacking Israel.

And since then, Israel has never attacked Egypt or Jordan. It has only attacked those who have attacked Israel.

There’s just no comparison with Russia which was not under attack by Ukraine, Poland or China when it invaded Ukraine.

Why are you going back to the 1960s/70s As if it is somehow relevant to the actions of the current Israeli government and what they do. Because it's not and using it as some sort of justification for Israel's actions in Palestine and Lebanon makes no sense and less sense on this thread which is discussing the death penalty for Palestinian detainees.

Ellen2shoes · 29/04/2026 07:42

FloralDeerPattern · 28/04/2026 22:59

With recent reports about the extent of the sexual violence towards Palestinians in detention it isn't really surprising that Israel want to escalate from raping people to killing them is it? Palestinians are not being treated as humans by the IDF by any stretch of the imagination, it's difficult to see that there will be much objection to this when there has been very little objection to Palestinian people being subjected extreme sexual violence.

It is utterly horrific. Palestinians, including minors, are still routinely being rounded up and detained without charge.

The rapists get a standing ovation.

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 07:37

Ellen2shoes · 28/04/2026 22:11

Let’s not sanction Israel because they haven’t attacked Jordan or Egypt!

Should we lift sanctions on Russia because they haven’t attacked Poland or China?

This has been explained to you but I’ll repeat: Egypt and Jordan both ATTACKED Israel, lost land, and despite that, Israel have back the land they’d lost in exchange for Egypt and Jordan committing to no longer attacking Israel.

And since then, Israel has never attacked Egypt or Jordan. It has only attacked those who have attacked Israel.

There’s just no comparison with Russia which was not under attack by Ukraine, Poland or China when it invaded Ukraine.

MissyB1 · 29/04/2026 07:29

FloralDeerPattern · 28/04/2026 22:59

With recent reports about the extent of the sexual violence towards Palestinians in detention it isn't really surprising that Israel want to escalate from raping people to killing them is it? Palestinians are not being treated as humans by the IDF by any stretch of the imagination, it's difficult to see that there will be much objection to this when there has been very little objection to Palestinian people being subjected extreme sexual violence.

Yes sadly that makes sense. It’s hard to even have the words 😢

FloralDeerPattern · 28/04/2026 22:59

With recent reports about the extent of the sexual violence towards Palestinians in detention it isn't really surprising that Israel want to escalate from raping people to killing them is it? Palestinians are not being treated as humans by the IDF by any stretch of the imagination, it's difficult to see that there will be much objection to this when there has been very little objection to Palestinian people being subjected extreme sexual violence.

Ellen2shoes · 28/04/2026 22:42

Derailing

Ihatetomatoes · 28/04/2026 22:41

Ellen2shoes · 28/04/2026 22:40

There are so many threads on this board discussing who Israel attacked or didn’t and why. I suggest you engage with them if you don’t want to address the OP’s point.

I merely replied to your and another poster's comments. It's allowed.

Ellen2shoes · 28/04/2026 22:40

There are so many threads on this board discussing who Israel attacked or didn’t and why. I suggest you engage with them if you don’t want to address the OP’s point.

Ihatetomatoes · 28/04/2026 22:39

Ellen2shoes · 28/04/2026 22:36

Quite

Don't ask questions if you don't want replies and only want posters to keep to thread title. HTH

Ellen2shoes · 28/04/2026 22:37

Inconvenient truths are the point of the thread

Ellen2shoes · 28/04/2026 22:36

Quite

Ihatetomatoes · 28/04/2026 22:36

Ellen2shoes · 28/04/2026 22:11

Let’s not sanction Israel because they haven’t attacked Jordan or Egypt!

Should we lift sanctions on Russia because they haven’t attacked Poland or China?

You pose a question and then dont want replies to your question? Why ask it then.

Ihatetomatoes · 28/04/2026 22:35

Emilesgran · 28/04/2026 11:42

Al Jazeera and the Irish Times - that’ll be a totally objective account of events in Syria. (Hint: there’s practically a civil war going on there still, with the government murdering civilians in many areas. Israel has been asked by Israeli Druze to help the Syrian Druze from being murdered by the regime as Christians, Alawites and other minorities are in various regions in Syria)

What about Egypt or Jordan? Has Israel attacked them?

Inconvenient truths are usually ignored 🙁