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Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks

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CanAnybodyFindMe · 31/03/2026 14:07

“Israel's far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir wore a noose pin on his lapel to signal his support for the bill”

I first heard about this on Facebook and thought it might be anti-Israel fake news. But no, it’s true.

Absolutely horrifying and sickening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

Itamar Ben-Gvir wearing a black suit, red tie and white kippah, talking on a podium in front of Israeli flags

Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks face death penalty under new Israeli law

The new law, passed on Monday, was pushed hard by the far-right and Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

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Martymcfly24 · 29/04/2026 12:58

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 12:45

Hitler’s life was not of equal importance to, well pretty much anyone’s. And civilian deaths are an inevitable part of warfare - it’s illegal only when civilians are being deliberately targeted. You know, like Hamas did on Oct 7th.

Glad you after that it is illegals when civilians are targeted , an IDF and Hamas specialty .

We have a lot more in common than you think.

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 12:49

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FloralDeerPattern · 29/04/2026 12:48

Dreamymeme · 29/04/2026 12:16

Israel claims it takes appropriate steps. I'm not there and I can adjudicate.

Though tbf I don't really care that much. When your government openly tries for years to murder as many civilians of the neighboring country as possible, expect retaliation.

And another point, while I'm absolutely not saying all Gazans are guilty, the fact remains that when the hostages were still there, Israel offered $5 million apiece, for information leading to the release of a hostage.

The hostages were very often kept and moved about civilian homes, yet not one single 'civilian' stepped up. So cry me a river when they're caught in the crossfire.

Speaking of a 'special hatred' for certain people. I think this post really demonstrates what Palestinians are up against and is part of the reason why there hasn't been more action against Israel. This type of predujice runs deep and has been demonstrated more that once even on mumsnet. If for instance it were Israelis being held in detention by Palestinians and being gang raped it would be front page news, it would be ribbons and posters, it would be justification for mass slaughter.

People try and just talk about Palestinians being gang raped and you are asked what about Sudan and insinuations that because you care about people being held against their will and sexually assaulted by the people holding them captive you just hate Jews.

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 12:45

Martymcfly24 · 29/04/2026 11:04

It is not a false equivalence at all if you believe every life is of equal importance.

Do you really believe what the IDF is engaging in is defending Israeli citizens?

Hitler’s life was not of equal importance to, well pretty much anyone’s. And civilian deaths are an inevitable part of warfare - it’s illegal only when civilians are being deliberately targeted. You know, like Hamas did on Oct 7th.

Martymcfly24 · 29/04/2026 12:41

When your government openly tries for years to murder as many civilians of the neighboring country as possible, expect retaliation.

Oh the irony.

Martymcfly24 · 29/04/2026 12:40

Dreamymeme · 29/04/2026 11:28

Not every life is of equal importance. We would kill an attempted murderer to save the potential victim. When you murder, even more so when you vow to continue murdering, your life becomes worthless.

Pretty damning for all those IDF soldiers who have shot children and innocent civilians so.
A lot of worthless lives there according to your logic.

Boolabus · 29/04/2026 12:36

Twiglets1 · 29/04/2026 09:14

Threads get diverted onto other topics all the time.

I get frustrated by it sometimes on threads I have started to discuss a particular topic - but get told that people can post where they want about what they want.

There is no more agenda on this thread than all the dozens of others where the debate meanders around and covers lots of other subjects beyond the original thread title.

Threads get diverted onto other topics all the time.
No that is not what is happening here, the conversation hasn't got diverted it has been an intentional derail.

still waiting to hear your answer in who you were referring to here?
They just have a special hatred for Israel and in some cases, Jews generally.

Boolabus · 29/04/2026 12:33

Dreamymeme · 29/04/2026 12:16

Israel claims it takes appropriate steps. I'm not there and I can adjudicate.

Though tbf I don't really care that much. When your government openly tries for years to murder as many civilians of the neighboring country as possible, expect retaliation.

And another point, while I'm absolutely not saying all Gazans are guilty, the fact remains that when the hostages were still there, Israel offered $5 million apiece, for information leading to the release of a hostage.

The hostages were very often kept and moved about civilian homes, yet not one single 'civilian' stepped up. So cry me a river when they're caught in the crossfire.

Ok, you have been clear, from what you have posted is it fair to assume that you believe there are no innocents in Gaza and their deaths are necessary to protect Israelis?

Though tbf I don't really care that much.
So why are you here?

So cry me a river when they're caught in the crossfire.
Nice. Your views are extreme and pretty offensive, I can only begin to imagine the push back if anyone would say this about innocent Israelis, thankfully I have not seen such disgusting views expressed about innocent Israeli civilians. I was naïve to think it was a given that most people do care about innocent lives lost.

Dreamymeme · 29/04/2026 12:16

FloralDeerPattern · 29/04/2026 11:58

As sad as it is for the innocents in Gaza, their blood is in their own government and militias.

The law disagrees with you there. Under the Geneva convention and Hague regulations Israel has a duty to protect Palestinians from violence, including from its own forces,
ensure access to food, water, and medical care. Maintain law and order and avoid collective punishment or unnecessary destruction.

I don't think that there is any doubt that they have fallen short on their duties there. When they made the choice to become occupiers they also made the choice to take on all of the responsibilities that befall occupiers.

Israel claims it takes appropriate steps. I'm not there and I can adjudicate.

Though tbf I don't really care that much. When your government openly tries for years to murder as many civilians of the neighboring country as possible, expect retaliation.

And another point, while I'm absolutely not saying all Gazans are guilty, the fact remains that when the hostages were still there, Israel offered $5 million apiece, for information leading to the release of a hostage.

The hostages were very often kept and moved about civilian homes, yet not one single 'civilian' stepped up. So cry me a river when they're caught in the crossfire.

FloralDeerPattern · 29/04/2026 11:58

Dreamymeme · 29/04/2026 11:26

Why shouldn't there be some civilian deaths in Gaza (not all 80k are civilians), is it somehow immune from the ravages of war? Gaza started a war against Israel, and Israel retaliated, setting itself a goal to completely eradicate Hamas and the like.

When you have terrorists embedded within the civilian population, and their goal is to maximise civilian casualties, that goal will be achieved.

Unlike Gazans, Israel isn't targeting civilians. It targets militants, but collateral damage happens. When the Gazan government continues to fire missiles from amongst civilians, and absolutely refuses to provide any kind of shelter for them (despite having miles and miles of tunnels), civilian casualties are inevitable.

Do you expect Israel to just accept tens of thousands of missiles fired at their own civilian population without retaliation and without attempting to neutralise the threat? Would that be expected of any country?

Gaza had 18 years to get their shit together and focus on peaceful building rather than hateful warmongerimg. They refused, and are now suffering the consequences.

As sad as it is for the innocents in Gaza, their blood is in their own government and militias.

As sad as it is for the innocents in Gaza, their blood is in their own government and militias.

The law disagrees with you there. Under the Geneva convention and Hague regulations Israel has a duty to protect Palestinians from violence, including from its own forces,
ensure access to food, water, and medical care. Maintain law and order and avoid collective punishment or unnecessary destruction.

I don't think that there is any doubt that they have fallen short on their duties there. When they made the choice to become occupiers they also made the choice to take on all of the responsibilities that befall occupiers.

FloralDeerPattern · 29/04/2026 11:50

Ellen2shoes · 29/04/2026 07:42

It is utterly horrific. Palestinians, including minors, are still routinely being rounded up and detained without charge.

The rapists get a standing ovation.

I saw the most awful quote from a woman who had been gang raped by members of the IDF whilst in detention. Then because she was in detention she was obviously trapped with her rapists never knowing if they were going to attack her again. It's just appalling that this is happening and nobody in Israel is doing anything about it.

Dreamymeme · 29/04/2026 11:28

Martymcfly24 · 29/04/2026 11:04

It is not a false equivalence at all if you believe every life is of equal importance.

Do you really believe what the IDF is engaging in is defending Israeli citizens?

Not every life is of equal importance. We would kill an attempted murderer to save the potential victim. When you murder, even more so when you vow to continue murdering, your life becomes worthless.

Dreamymeme · 29/04/2026 11:26

Alexandra2001 · 29/04/2026 08:34

Israel has the right to defend itself, i don't think too many people would disagree with that idea.

What is Israel is doing though is far beyond that, bombing schools, hospitals, targeting medical workers, journalists, the torture of detainies.

The mass killing of civilians, how can anyone justify 80k Gazan deaths? now using the tactics in Lebanon.

The current Israeli govt has wrecked Israel's reputation around the world.

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Why shouldn't there be some civilian deaths in Gaza (not all 80k are civilians), is it somehow immune from the ravages of war? Gaza started a war against Israel, and Israel retaliated, setting itself a goal to completely eradicate Hamas and the like.

When you have terrorists embedded within the civilian population, and their goal is to maximise civilian casualties, that goal will be achieved.

Unlike Gazans, Israel isn't targeting civilians. It targets militants, but collateral damage happens. When the Gazan government continues to fire missiles from amongst civilians, and absolutely refuses to provide any kind of shelter for them (despite having miles and miles of tunnels), civilian casualties are inevitable.

Do you expect Israel to just accept tens of thousands of missiles fired at their own civilian population without retaliation and without attempting to neutralise the threat? Would that be expected of any country?

Gaza had 18 years to get their shit together and focus on peaceful building rather than hateful warmongerimg. They refused, and are now suffering the consequences.

As sad as it is for the innocents in Gaza, their blood is in their own government and militias.

Arealnumber · 29/04/2026 11:06

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Martymcfly24 · 29/04/2026 11:04

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 10:52

That’s a false equivalence though.
Yes the IDF can and should be condemned for any crimes they commit but they are not a terror group who murder even their own people for the smallest criticism.

The IDF are fundamentally defending Israeli citizens from deliberate targeting by Hamas (and the thousands of non Hamas Gazans who also took part on Oct 7th). That doesn’t excuse any crimes but there is no equivalence with Hamas or Hezbollah whose aim is to kill Jews and destroy Israel. In their own words.

It is not a false equivalence at all if you believe every life is of equal importance.

Do you really believe what the IDF is engaging in is defending Israeli citizens?

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 10:52

Martymcfly24 · 29/04/2026 10:45

@Emilesgran Hamas have committed the most terrible atrocities . They should be widely condemned. Rape, murder, torture etc.

The IDF have also committed the most terrible atrocities, murder, torture rape etc. They should also be widely condemned.

That’s a false equivalence though.
Yes the IDF can and should be condemned for any crimes they commit but they are not a terror group who murder even their own people for the smallest criticism.

The IDF are fundamentally defending Israeli citizens from deliberate targeting by Hamas (and the thousands of non Hamas Gazans who also took part on Oct 7th). That doesn’t excuse any crimes but there is no equivalence with Hamas or Hezbollah whose aim is to kill Jews and destroy Israel. In their own words.

Martymcfly24 · 29/04/2026 10:45

@Emilesgran Hamas have committed the most terrible atrocities . They should be widely condemned. Rape, murder, torture etc.

The IDF have also committed the most terrible atrocities, murder, torture rape etc. They should also be widely condemned.

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 10:27

Stirabout · 29/04/2026 09:16

this has been the pro Israeli modus operandi on these threads for years now
They don’t like discussing Israeli atrocities

Says the poster who then unironically goes on to quote … an Israeli source for claims of Israeli atrocities.

Meanwhile Hamas bears people to death in public for daring to criticise Hamas in any way - there are no Palestinian sources mentioning that, for obvious reasons.

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 10:22

Boolabus · 29/04/2026 09:09

Who are you talking about here?

What is the agenda of those deflecting from the thread title of the death penalty for Palestinian detainees in Israel and the horrific reports of their rape and abuse? I'm quite concerned about people's need to do that.

I’m concerned that nobody seems interested in Hamas raping Palestinian women and children.
But nonsense claims about training dogs to rape are propagated by people in authority like Francesca Albanese.

It’s so blatant.

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 10:18

Stirabout · 29/04/2026 09:05

Israel is no more special than any other aggressor

No but Israel is not the aggressor when it attacks a country that has been firing rockets at for years, nor the country that’s been funding those attacks - and the proof of that is why else would Iran insist that Israel had to stop fighting Hezbollah in Lebanon as part of the ceasefire between Iran, the US and Israel!

Stirabout · 29/04/2026 10:03

Twiglets1 · 29/04/2026 09:42

Why would we regularly add to the thousands of posts discussing Israeli atrocities? We do occasionally, but someone has to provide some balance to the echo chamber by defending Israel or challenging misinformation.

Where are the thousands of posts discussing Hamas or Hezbollah atrocities? Far fewer in number and they always come from the (much fewer) numbers of us on here who openly support Israel.

This thread is about the death penalty
You Say comments are offering balance but they are not…they are derailing away from Israel’s death penalty

Offering balance means discussing other opinions. Not discussing something else completely.

It has been the modus operandi for years.

comments on associated press on the Israeli death penalty

RESTRICTION SUMMARY:

ASSOCIATED PRESS
Tel Aviv, Israel - 31 March 2026

  1. Attorney Elza Bugnet, working at the Legal Department of The Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI)

"This law is particularly cruel and barbaric. First of all, it is tailored to the measures of Palestinians, which makes it so extremely discriminatory and unequal. As part of this, it also severely undermines the right to a fair trial by depriving defendants, especially those tried in military courts in the West Bank, of very basic procedural rights. It makes the imposition of the death penalty particularly easy, allowing for the death penalty to be imposed without unanimity, as is customary in a few US states where the death penalty is still enforced."

Given the death penalty will now be extended to the West Bank I wonder now…..
will the Israeli Govn also include Lebanon or /and Iran in the future. They do seem to be so arrogant as to think they can control who ever they want.

Twiglets1 · 29/04/2026 09:42

Stirabout · 29/04/2026 09:16

this has been the pro Israeli modus operandi on these threads for years now
They don’t like discussing Israeli atrocities

Why would we regularly add to the thousands of posts discussing Israeli atrocities? We do occasionally, but someone has to provide some balance to the echo chamber by defending Israel or challenging misinformation.

Where are the thousands of posts discussing Hamas or Hezbollah atrocities? Far fewer in number and they always come from the (much fewer) numbers of us on here who openly support Israel.

Twiglets1 · 29/04/2026 09:37

Alexandra2001 · 29/04/2026 09:24

Lol! at the time of the invasion, MN and other SM outlets were full of condemnation against Russian actions.

But the scale of what Israel has done in Gaza exceeds what Russia has done in Ukraine, now intend to seek the death penalty for Palestinians only, no right of appeal, military court only.

Should this law be enacted, how many innocent Palestinians will need to be executed before people will condemn their actions?

It is yet again another example of Israel treating Palestinians as sub human.

At the time of the invasion people were naturally condemning the actions of Putin, yes.

People were not hating Russians and there has still been no big backlash against Iranians or Russians for what their leaders/armies are doing in their wars.

Stirabout · 29/04/2026 09:27

The Israeli Govn just keeps getting worse

‘ Israeli Lawmakers Approve Expanded Death Penalty for West Bank Offenses

Members of the Israeli parliament—known as the Knesset—wore noose pins fastened to their lapels on March 30, 2026, as they voted to pass a controversial bill that expands the use of the death penalty for terrorism-related offenses, disproportionately affecting Palestinians in the West Bank.

Under the new legislation, Palestinians convicted of killing an Israeli “with the intent to negate the existence of the State of Israel” must be executed by hanging within 90 days of sentencing, without the right to appeal.

The bill applies specifically to military courts, which exclusively hear cases concerning Palestinians living in the West Bank; it reads, "... his sentence shall be death, and this penalty only."
According to a statement by Israeli human rights group, B’Tselem, “These courts have an approximately 96% conviction rate, based largely on ‘confessions’ extracted under duress and torture during interrogations.”

In addition to the execution mandate, the bill limits access to legal counsel and visits from family members, restricts external oversight, and grants immunity to those involved in performing executions.

The framing of the bill explicitly shields Israeli citizens and settlers from the penalty, as they are tried in civilian, not military courts.
A unanimous consensus is no longer required for conviction under the new law; a simple majority among judges is sufficient to condemn an individual to hanging. The statute has been a long time coming for proponents of the bill, who have been pushing for the reinstatement of a death penalty since the Hamas-led terror attacks of October 7, 2023. Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir has been the driving force, subsequently celebrating with champagne on the parliament floor following the majority vote.
A total of 62 out of 120 members of the parliament voted to pass the resolution, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu attending to cast a supporting vote. 48 voted against, while the rest abstained.

The bill has since received criticism from international organizations and state authorities alike. The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights labeled the new legislation as a violation of international law and urged Israel to repeal the bill.

In addition to the Palestinian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, eight Muslim countries and several European states—Egypt, Pakistan, France, and Germany included— have released statements denouncing the Knesset’s decision.
Far-right proponents of the bill claim the legislation will deter violence against the Israeli state and put an end to the cycle of prisoner exchanges between Israel and Palestine. Studies have shown, however, that imposing the death penalty could do little to deter crime and may, in some cases, have the opposite effect. Individuals who knowingly commit a capital offense lose any incentive to limit the severity of their actions, as there is no lesser punishment to fall back on.
Amnesty International provides a useful hypothetical for understanding this potentiality: “if armed robbery carries the death penalty, the robber loses nothing by committing murders while attempting to flee.” In the West Bank, the law has the potential to encourage greater severity of violence.
Polling has shown that a majority of Jewish Israelis support the execution of Palestinian militants in principle, however several lawmakers from within the Israeli Knesset voiced their opposition to the statute.
The law remains vulnerable to being struck down by Israel’s highest court before it is put into practice.

Minutes after the bill was passed, the Association of Civil Rights in Israel stated it had already petitioned the Supreme Court to challenge the statute.
The legality of the law has been questioned, considering Israel's status as an occupying power in the West Bank.
From an international law standpoint, the Israeli Knesset does not hold the authority to impose legislation on an occupied territory. This, combined with its inherently discriminatory structure, poses several legal complications.

Whether it ultimately survives the test of the courts or not, the bill sends a powerful message as an attempt to enshrine the abuse of Palestinians into law and normalize their execution as a common disciplinary tool. If nothing else, the statute adds fuel to the Israel-Palestine conflict and clearly demonstrates that Israel is prepared to escalate the situation.
“Soon we will count them one by one,” said Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir as he poured champagne into his colleagues’ glasses on the parliament floor. “From today, every terrorist will know, and the whole world will know, that whoever takes a life, the state of Israel will take their life.”

Alexandra2001 · 29/04/2026 09:24

Twiglets1 · 29/04/2026 09:09

Where are all these people who hate Russians for what they are doing in Ukraine? I don't see them on social media including Mumsnet.

Also, there is no big backlash against Iranians, that I am aware of. It is the IRGC Westerners hate and want proscribed as the terrorists they undoubtedly are.

Lol! at the time of the invasion, MN and other SM outlets were full of condemnation against Russian actions.

But the scale of what Israel has done in Gaza exceeds what Russia has done in Ukraine, now intend to seek the death penalty for Palestinians only, no right of appeal, military court only.

Should this law be enacted, how many innocent Palestinians will need to be executed before people will condemn their actions?

It is yet again another example of Israel treating Palestinians as sub human.

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