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IRGC - has the UK determined they are a terrorist organisation?

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timefordinner · 27/03/2026 17:30

And if so could you link the source? I have just been going through lists and I can't find them.

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Twiglets1 · 24/04/2026 19:34

I'm afraid you were wrong @timefordinner

SharonEllis · 24/04/2026 19:30

About bloody time!

Twiglets1 · 24/04/2026 19:29

Starmer: I’ll move to ban IRGC within weeks

Sir Keir Starmer has announced that he will move to proscribe the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) as a terrorist organisation within weeks.

The Prime Minister said he would bring forward laws to ban the group “in a few weeks”, when the next session of Parliament begins following the local elections.

He made the announcement during a visit to Kenton United Synagogue, which was firebombed last week.

Speaking to the Jewish Chronicle, Sir Keir said he was “very worried” about the increasing use of proxies by the Iranian regime.

He added: “In relation to malign state actors more generally, proscription, we do need legislation in order to take necessary measures and that is legislation that we are bringing forward as soon as we can. We go into a new session in a few weeks time, and we will bring that legislation forward”.

The legislation will be included in the King’s Speech in May, The Telegraph understands.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/04/24/starmer-to-introduce-irgc-ban-within-weeks/

Twiglets1 · 04/04/2026 21:37

Argentina this week joined the long list of countries who have classified the IRGC as a terrorist organisation. The measure will enable the Argentine government to issue sanctions against those conducting business with that branch of Iran’s armed forces
& seize any assets they own in Argentina.

In addition, Argentina’s Foreign Affairs Ministry says it has expelled Iran’s top diplomat, who was given just 48 hours to leave the country.

timefordinner · 04/04/2026 14:49

EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 20:18

I was responding to the question on why the pressure to proscribe, but on the last line of the U.K. being unlikely to do it it was reported today they will soon.

Please could you link what you read, about "it was reported today they will soon"? Thanks

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Notonthestairs · 03/04/2026 20:30

timefordinner · 03/04/2026 20:13

I am not sure you read my post. I was talking about the US actions. You are talking about January protests in Iran? It seems that EU countries are not supporting US actions irrespective of their official stances on the protests.

The end of the video I linked has a small discussion about a recent torture case, I noticed. It isn't about Iran but I have seen a lot of your recent posts about torture generally so you might be interested if you are interested in that subject matter generally.

You can proscribe the IRGC and think the war poorly thought through with wide spread negative ramifications. The two can co-exist.

EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 20:18

I was responding to the question on why the pressure to proscribe, but on the last line of the U.K. being unlikely to do it it was reported today they will soon.

timefordinner · 03/04/2026 20:13

EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 20:01

This is why the EU moved on it.

Speaking in Brussels on Thursday, French Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot described it as "the most violent repression in Iran's modern history" and said there could be "no impunity for the crimes committed".

I am not sure you read my post. I was talking about the US actions. You are talking about January protests in Iran? It seems that EU countries are not supporting US actions irrespective of their official stances on the protests.

The end of the video I linked has a small discussion about a recent torture case, I noticed. It isn't about Iran but I have seen a lot of your recent posts about torture generally so you might be interested if you are interested in that subject matter generally.

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EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 20:01

timefordinner · 03/04/2026 19:44

I think we also need to bear in mind that it is unlikely that intelligence in the US advised Trump that Iran was an immediate threat, as leading staff have said previously that there is no enduring threat ideologically and no thread militarily if the US stays in the US, because the ballistic missiles won't reach the US from Iran. And we can see from the various high level televised debates that a large number of senior people in the US do not support the military action against Iran. And judging by what Trump and Hegseth are saying, there is a lack of briefing. So there are some strange loose ends when it comes to geopolitical perspectives here.

What is the pressure on countries to proscribe?

There is no possibility that the attacks on Iran are all about protecting the civilians as (a) evidence is growing that this is not what civilians want and (b) the marketing team US is being led by Lindsey Graham who I think considers himself more of a money man than a people's man.

Obviously we know that Israel wants to destroy Iran for many reasons.

The vast majority of people around the world are pushing for diplomacy and negotiation before it is too late. So this is indeed a reason why it is arguably unlikely that the UK will cave to pressure about proscription.

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This is why the EU moved on it.

Speaking in Brussels on Thursday, French Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot described it as "the most violent repression in Iran's modern history" and said there could be "no impunity for the crimes committed".

Notonthestairs · 03/04/2026 19:59

SharonEllis · 03/04/2026 19:48

No, you are wrong. The reasons for the UK governnent not proscribing have been extensively set out. They do not mean that either the view of the UK government or 'the prevailing view' more widely is that the Iranian govt/ICRG is not involved in terrorist activity.

Agree. The issue has been the legal complexity of our legislation. Sunak introduced wide ranging sanctions in an attempt to circumvent the need for legislation. He also warned Labour of the complexity of the issue. The sanctions have been extended, but the next step should be legislative.

timefordinner · 03/04/2026 19:52

SharonEllis · 03/04/2026 19:48

No, you are wrong. The reasons for the UK governnent not proscribing have been extensively set out. They do not mean that either the view of the UK government or 'the prevailing view' more widely is that the Iranian govt/ICRG is not involved in terrorist activity.

The video I linked has a veritable expert's view which is worth you watching. I think it is also worth you reading recent government reports which have comments on your second sentence. It isn't a black and white situation, but my summary was generally correct.
Glad to see you have toned down your language though, it is appreciated.

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SharonEllis · 03/04/2026 19:48

timefordinner · 03/04/2026 19:21

Hi Sharon - how rude you are! Try to stay within MN guidelines in your replies, that is, try to be respectful.

What I said was exactly right. That there are reports as you say, but overall what I said was right.

No, you are wrong. The reasons for the UK governnent not proscribing have been extensively set out. They do not mean that either the view of the UK government or 'the prevailing view' more widely is that the Iranian govt/ICRG is not involved in terrorist activity.

timefordinner · 03/04/2026 19:44

I think we also need to bear in mind that it is unlikely that intelligence in the US advised Trump that Iran was an immediate threat, as leading staff have said previously that there is no enduring threat ideologically and no thread militarily if the US stays in the US, because the ballistic missiles won't reach the US from Iran. And we can see from the various high level televised debates that a large number of senior people in the US do not support the military action against Iran. And judging by what Trump and Hegseth are saying, there is a lack of briefing. So there are some strange loose ends when it comes to geopolitical perspectives here.

What is the pressure on countries to proscribe?

There is no possibility that the attacks on Iran are all about protecting the civilians as (a) evidence is growing that this is not what civilians want and (b) the marketing team US is being led by Lindsey Graham who I think considers himself more of a money man than a people's man.

Obviously we know that Israel wants to destroy Iran for many reasons.

The vast majority of people around the world are pushing for diplomacy and negotiation before it is too late. So this is indeed a reason why it is arguably unlikely that the UK will cave to pressure about proscription.

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timefordinner · 03/04/2026 19:34

A lawyer here explains that the government sees little real value in proscribing but moreover the legal difficulties, and there is also a discussion about the point of proscribing generally:

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timefordinner · 03/04/2026 19:29

One of the issues with them being proscribed is that it will make it harder for people to protest against illegal wars against them. We have all seen what happens when the US attacks ME countries and most people don't want to see that happening again, and support negotiation and diplomacy. The longer game is that we are more likely to be dragged into a war ourselves, and into WWIII, if sufficient public opinion doesn't stop the current madness.

I doubt that they will be proscribed for the reasons I gave above, though.

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timefordinner · 03/04/2026 19:21

SharonEllis · 03/04/2026 16:59

@timefordinner I don't know what fantasy world you live in but the assessment of our government and others and the security services is that the Iranian state is associated with terror attacks, spying and other hostile behaviour.

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Hi Sharon - how rude you are! Try to stay within MN guidelines in your replies, that is, try to be respectful.

What I said was exactly right. That there are reports as you say, but overall what I said was right.

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EasternStandard · 03/04/2026 17:01

timefordinner · 03/04/2026 16:55

I appreciate the answers. I have been digging around and I don't think that Iran/IRGC is going to be proscribed, the whole issue is highly politicised but the prevailing view is that the Iranian state (government/IRGC etc) is not associated with terrorist attacks. Attacks like the ambulance attacks involved Iranians, but not acting as state agents. Also, it is interesting to note that it is this same government which Trump calls "reasonable" (he thought there had been a regime change, and it seems he wasn't aware that there was an acting government in place, he thought that the assassinations of the former Khomeini and Larijani meant there had been a regime change - I am beginning to wonder if he is being briefed at all).

At the moment the prevailing view in many countries is that the US war against Iran over nuclear weapons is illegal, and the US (Hegseth) is saying publicly that they have no intention of abiding by international law and that they will be bombing Iran back to the stone age by targeting bridges, water plants, electricity plants, carrying out assassinations so I think it is not seen as helpful to jump on their political bandwagon.

I have no idea why the US thinks that it is a good idea to be openly admitting things which are likely to be seen as war crimes.

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Thankfully the EU has proscribed them which is a big move, along with Canada and Sweden. We’ll probably follow as reported today.

SharonEllis · 03/04/2026 16:59

@timefordinner I don't know what fantasy world you live in but the assessment of our government and others and the security services is that the Iranian state is associated with terror attacks, spying and other hostile behaviour.

Twiglets1 · 03/04/2026 16:58

@timefordinner time will tell if the IRCG are proscribed by the UK later this year.

I believe Starmer would like to but there are legal difficulties. Nevertheless, there is a lot of pressure on him to do so because the IRCG do get involved in a lot of terrorist activities and fund a lot of terrorists via groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah.

timefordinner · 03/04/2026 16:55

I appreciate the answers. I have been digging around and I don't think that Iran/IRGC is going to be proscribed, the whole issue is highly politicised but the prevailing view is that the Iranian state (government/IRGC etc) is not associated with terrorist attacks. Attacks like the ambulance attacks involved Iranians, but not acting as state agents. Also, it is interesting to note that it is this same government which Trump calls "reasonable" (he thought there had been a regime change, and it seems he wasn't aware that there was an acting government in place, he thought that the assassinations of the former Khomeini and Larijani meant there had been a regime change - I am beginning to wonder if he is being briefed at all).

At the moment the prevailing view in many countries is that the US war against Iran over nuclear weapons is illegal, and the US (Hegseth) is saying publicly that they have no intention of abiding by international law and that they will be bombing Iran back to the stone age by targeting bridges, water plants, electricity plants, carrying out assassinations so I think it is not seen as helpful to jump on their political bandwagon.

I have no idea why the US thinks that it is a good idea to be openly admitting things which are likely to be seen as war crimes.

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SharonEllis · 03/04/2026 16:02

Ihatetomatoes · 03/04/2026 10:04

Interesting that they aren't proscribed.

Linked to so many terrorist plots.

But only against Iranian dissident and Jews so not 'US', remember? Honestly, I don't know what the fuss is about.

Twiglets1 · 03/04/2026 10:29

The British Home Office confirms to The Times that it is preparing legislation to proscribe the IRGC, and sources say it will be ready later this year.

(Source: Times of Israel, January 2026).

Ihatetomatoes · 03/04/2026 10:04

Twiglets1 · 02/04/2026 18:08

Sir Ken McCallum, MI5’s director-general, revealed in October that the security service had stopped more than 20 Iran-linked plots on British soil in the last year. Intelligence sources anticipated that number would only increase amid the current conflict.

The IRGC is considered the primary exporter of Iranian-linked terrorism abroad, acting as a “praetorian guard” military force in Iran, swearing loyalty to the supreme leader personally and acting independently of the army.

This month, the global terrorism index said the elite military unit was linked to 157 terrorist plots across 15 countries in the past five years.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/former-spy-chiefs-criticise-starmer-060000226.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

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Interesting that they aren't proscribed.

Linked to so many terrorist plots.

Twiglets1 · 02/04/2026 18:08

Sir Ken McCallum, MI5’s director-general, revealed in October that the security service had stopped more than 20 Iran-linked plots on British soil in the last year. Intelligence sources anticipated that number would only increase amid the current conflict.

The IRGC is considered the primary exporter of Iranian-linked terrorism abroad, acting as a “praetorian guard” military force in Iran, swearing loyalty to the supreme leader personally and acting independently of the army.

This month, the global terrorism index said the elite military unit was linked to 157 terrorist plots across 15 countries in the past five years.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/former-spy-chiefs-criticise-starmer-060000226.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

Twiglets1 · 02/04/2026 17:56

Ihatetomatoes · 02/04/2026 17:04

From he article above his reasons are:

"The intervention comes after an Iranian-linked group claimed responsibility for an anti-Semitic firebomb attack in north London in the early hours of Monday.
Last week, two Iranian men were charged in a separate case with spying for Tehran over the alleged surveillance of Jewish people in London.
The group of former high-ranking British intelligence officials acknowledged that “speaking publicly is not the norm for our profession”, but said they “now feel compelled to act”.

“Iranian state actors and their proxies are already active inside the UK,” they said."

Scary stuff @Ihatetomatoes