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Two short videos showing Israelis protesting against Israel's war against Iran and Israelis protesting against Israel state police

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timeforreflection · 25/03/2026 13:50

Two short videos showing Israelis protesting against the actions of the Israeli state, and Israelis protesting against Israel state police.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6dJFfliqKQs

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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6dJFfliqKQs

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SharonEllis · 27/03/2026 06:56

My god. Are we really at the stage where we are arguing about whether the world would be a safer place without the Islamic Republic of Iran?

Twiglets1 · 27/03/2026 05:33

Ellen2shoes · 26/03/2026 23:11

The circles in which we move will have differing opinions. Not all Iranians in mine agree, but no one has the conviction that they will be safer as a result of this. There are no guarantees, and current events do not bode well.

Does ‘us all’ refer to our respective groups of friends? I was thinking about the people of Iran, Lebanon and Palestine. How can there be any credibility when this war is instrumented by a pair of self serving despots intent on the destruction of societies? One wanted for war crimes currently in the process of illegally occupying and ethnic cleansing its neighbour and the other with equally dubious objectives. How can there be any faith in this as a recipe for peace and security?

Regarding the people of Iran, Lebanon & Palestine, I don’t know how they can feel safe under the IRCG, Hamas & Hezbollah.

Jewish people certainly don’t feel safe.

The Middle East would be a safer place without those religious lunatics.

Ellen2shoes · 26/03/2026 23:11

The circles in which we move will have differing opinions. Not all Iranians in mine agree, but no one has the conviction that they will be safer as a result of this. There are no guarantees, and current events do not bode well.

Does ‘us all’ refer to our respective groups of friends? I was thinking about the people of Iran, Lebanon and Palestine. How can there be any credibility when this war is instrumented by a pair of self serving despots intent on the destruction of societies? One wanted for war crimes currently in the process of illegally occupying and ethnic cleansing its neighbour and the other with equally dubious objectives. How can there be any faith in this as a recipe for peace and security?

SharonEllis · 26/03/2026 21:30

timeforreflection · 26/03/2026 20:54

What has been said at the UN by Iran is that they have been aware that they would be attacked since Iraq and that other countries should be aware that they will be next if Iran falls.

Anyone who remembers WMD and the whistleblowers around Gaddafi will at least consider whether or not they might have a point.

I don't know where you are in the world, but as the other poster has said, no most of us don't feel safer.

My Iranian friends will feel safer.

My Jewish friends will feel safer.

Iran is the biggest state sponsor of terrorism in the world, funding, training and directing proxy terrorists and militias across the Middle East and sponsoring surveillance, intelligence and sleeper cells across the west.

timeforreflection · 26/03/2026 20:54

SharonEllis · 25/03/2026 20:56

Well we can all see where you're coming from. The defeat of the Islamic Republic will make us all safer.

What has been said at the UN by Iran is that they have been aware that they would be attacked since Iraq and that other countries should be aware that they will be next if Iran falls.

Anyone who remembers WMD and the whistleblowers around Gaddafi will at least consider whether or not they might have a point.

I don't know where you are in the world, but as the other poster has said, no most of us don't feel safer.

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timeforreflection · 26/03/2026 20:49

1dayatatime · 26/03/2026 08:28

I would also like to send you some recent videos of ordinary Iranians protesting against the Iranian Government but unfortunately couldn't as the last time they did protest, 30,000 of them were killed so you can understand why they are a bit reticent to do it again.

Still you seem to have no problem with that, rather than to you the "unacceptable alternative" of actually agreeing with the Israeli and US attacks to weaken both the Iranian regime and their capability to wage terrorism across the Middle East.

As I said upthread, many commentators from Iran say that what you have said is propaganda, and one interview I saw today said that it was not 30000 (the UK government website does not say it was 30000 either but refer to a number of different figures from different sources) that is was 3117, and that the majority of the people killed were killed by the rioters who had firearms including police and innocent bystanders.

i personally don't support any killing by anyone, and I think what is going on is quite terrifying.

However, I do agree with you that personal safety is important, but it goes both ways. I went to a few MN threads such as one from January where there had been videos made by iranians in Iran who were saying that the problem had been the violence rioters, not the peaceful protesters, and they were showing support to their country against Israel and the US, but the videos are gone, not deleted by MN and not breaching any guidelines, but the accounts of the people who had made them have been closed, which almost certainly indicates that they were also in danger. And we know that, that there are groups who threaten and are violent to people who do not want Israeli and US intervention, or for Pahlavi to take over.

I was looking for the videos because someone upthread had asked to see some. @IrishSelkie please see above. The Guardian recently interviewed both "sides" of protesters in London, a few days ago, so if you look for that you will see iranians who say that anyone who supports Iran being bombed are "totally brainwashed" and say that the "30000 in two days" is not true and not possible.

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timeforreflection · 26/03/2026 15:15

Ellen2shoes · 25/03/2026 21:20

Who is ‘us all’? The attempt to do so certainly isn’t making anyone I know feel safer. Are the bombs dropped on Lebanon and Iran instilling a sense of security to the people there? Do they ‘all’ have blind faith in Trump and Net to make the world a peaceful place?

This ^^^

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1dayatatime · 26/03/2026 08:28

timeforreflection · 25/03/2026 16:05

Can you do that, then? I would be interested to see both sides.

I would also like to send you some recent videos of ordinary Iranians protesting against the Iranian Government but unfortunately couldn't as the last time they did protest, 30,000 of them were killed so you can understand why they are a bit reticent to do it again.

Still you seem to have no problem with that, rather than to you the "unacceptable alternative" of actually agreeing with the Israeli and US attacks to weaken both the Iranian regime and their capability to wage terrorism across the Middle East.

Twiglets1 · 26/03/2026 07:53

Ihatetomatoes · 26/03/2026 07:40

Indeed democratic countries including flawed ones have people fir and against decisions made. So why the surprise at protesting in a democratic country, even a flawed one.

Shouldn't be a surprise at all.

Wars are always controversial and Israelis can protest without fear of their government murdering them for showing different opinions.

Ihatetomatoes · 26/03/2026 07:40

Twiglets1 · 25/03/2026 19:40

According to the ranking done in 2024, Iran scored 154th out of 167 countries in total and was, not surprisingly classified as an Authoritarian regime.

The US scored 28th out of 167 countries (flawed democracy).

Israel scored 31st (also flawed democracy).

The UK scored 17th (full democracy, yay!)

Indeed democratic countries including flawed ones have people fir and against decisions made. So why the surprise at protesting in a democratic country, even a flawed one.

Twiglets1 · 26/03/2026 07:36

Exactly @Ihatetomatoes

Ihatetomatoes · 26/03/2026 07:36

Terfedout · 25/03/2026 18:26

I don't agree with Iran being attacked by Israel and the US. But your comment is a complete crock of shit. Everyone knows what the Iranian leadership stands for, and peaceful protest is not something they will tolerate. Ffs what world do you live in where you can stand up for people like that.

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Indeed you can be anti the war but still realise that the regime in Iran is despicable.

Israel does have people both for and against the war. It's wrong to pretend all are gor war or all against, its a democratic state so views vary.

Ihatetomatoes · 26/03/2026 07:32

timeforreflection · 25/03/2026 16:09

Wow loaded comment. There is no reason or excuse to invade Iran illegally -not your implied reasons or any others.

Also, just to educate a little, people in Iran have said that the peaceful protesters did not get arrested, tortured, and that changes were effected to meet their concerns. It was rioters who were killing who were arrested and shot at.

Here you go, some basic details

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Human_Rights

Iran Human Rights - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Human_Rights

Ihatetomatoes · 26/03/2026 07:30

timeforreflection · 25/03/2026 16:09

Wow loaded comment. There is no reason or excuse to invade Iran illegally -not your implied reasons or any others.

Also, just to educate a little, people in Iran have said that the peaceful protesters did not get arrested, tortured, and that changes were effected to meet their concerns. It was rioters who were killing who were arrested and shot at.

You might need educating a little. Maybe look up the Iranian Rights organization to see how their citizens are tortured, imprisoned and killed for protesting.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202603244117

Baha’i detainee faces torture, mock executions in Iran, rights group says

A young Baha’i detainee in Iran has been subjected to torture and mock executions and is at serious risk, a rights group said on Tuesday.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202603244117

Ihatetomatoes · 26/03/2026 07:27

timeforreflection · 25/03/2026 16:09

Wow loaded comment. There is no reason or excuse to invade Iran illegally -not your implied reasons or any others.

Also, just to educate a little, people in Iran have said that the peaceful protesters did not get arrested, tortured, and that changes were effected to meet their concerns. It was rioters who were killing who were arrested and shot at.

Several were recently executed for protesting against thd government. Young people brave enough to speak up, executed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9mzn7k722o

Fires are lit as protesters rally on January 8, 2026 in Tehran, Iran

Iran: Teenager among first to be executed over anti-government protests

Saleh Mohammadi, a member of Iran's national wrestling team, was found guilty of killing police officers alongside two other men, state media say.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9mzn7k722o

Ihatetomatoes · 26/03/2026 07:22

IrishSelkie · 25/03/2026 14:33

Thanks. It’s good to see proof that Israel is nothing like Iran and Israeli citizens have the right to protest for peace without fear of arrest, torture, extrajudicial murder, or state sanctioned murder.

Indeed its a democracy, people protest, as they do in many countries. There will be people for and against the war and those who are unsure if its right but realise that constantly being attacked by Iranian proxy terrorist organisations forces some response.

When protest happened in Iran thousands were slaughtered by the regime.

In Gaza, no protests, Hamas don't entertain that. I recall any brave disentors against Hamas being shot when the ceasefire was announced.

SharonEllis · 25/03/2026 22:05

IrishSelkie · 25/03/2026 19:08

Thank you! That was a crock of shit response. Iran is under a terrible regime where millions are suffering, that doesn’t make an illegal unprovoked war on them acceptable, which is why I would guess Israeli peace protesters have taken to the streets. You can desperately want better for the Iranian people and be completely against starting a war with Iran,

Unprovoked? How in the hell is it unprovoked? Iran has been attacking Israel through proxies and terrorism for years.

Ellen2shoes · 25/03/2026 21:20

Who is ‘us all’? The attempt to do so certainly isn’t making anyone I know feel safer. Are the bombs dropped on Lebanon and Iran instilling a sense of security to the people there? Do they ‘all’ have blind faith in Trump and Net to make the world a peaceful place?

SharonEllis · 25/03/2026 20:56

timeforreflection · 25/03/2026 19:50

Yes, but read my reply to your post above.
It is hilarious (not) that you think that we actually have a functioning democracy in the uk, with freedom of speech and the views of the majority taken into consideration in relation to domestic and foreign policy

You would be hard pressed to find a politician who would genuinely agree with you there.

Bottom line - if the US and Israel win against Iran it will be disastrous for all of us.

Well we can all see where you're coming from. The defeat of the Islamic Republic will make us all safer.

SharonEllis · 25/03/2026 20:54

timeforreflection · 25/03/2026 19:32

You have very strong opinions. Are you talking about Jan 2026 when you refer to 10s of 1000s? Because the UK government wasn't making these black and white claims last time I looked. Anything over 3-4K came from a rights organisation in the US who won't tell anyone where its information came from or who funds it. So if you are quoting them it would be more correct and clearer to say "x organisation tells us that 10s of 1000s of ordinary Iranians have been ..."

Nothing to do with my opinion. Documented assessments of people with a lot more experience and knowledge than you.

Twiglets1 · 25/03/2026 20:11

timeforreflection · 25/03/2026 20:02

@Twiglets1

Most answers are experts' assessments

These are western experts, presumably, and the problem we have is that half the world don't agree with them

Some answers are provided by public-opinion surveys from the respective countries. In the case of countries for which survey results are missing, survey results for similar countries and expert assessments are used in order to fill in gaps.

The surveys I have seen from "not democratic" countries generally take a sample of around 0.07 to send request out to and even if only a few reply will take that; or on a self selected group, so the answers are nowhere near reliable. I am not saying right or wrong, but nowhere near reliable. And who decides which is a "similar" country?

I do think it is interesting that the UK is seen as more democratic than Isreal and US. Though even as I write that (as someone from the UK) I can't help wry laughter!! Aren't most western democracies failing states now?

I'm from the UK too and have no problem accepting the UK is a democracy.

On what grounds would you say it isn't? We have free speech, can criticise our government freely, have access to elections, can dress how we want, say what we want etc.

  • Full democracies are countries where civil liberties and fundamental political freedoms are not only respected but also reinforced by a political culture conducive to the thriving of democratic principles. These nations have a valid system of governmental checks and balances, an independent judiciary whose decisions are enforced, governments that function adequately, and diverse and independent media. These nations have only limited problems in democratic functioning.
  • Flawed democracies are countries where elections are fair and free and basic civil liberties are honoured, but may have issues (e.g. media freedom infringement and minor suppression of political opposition and critics). These countries can have significant faults in other democratic aspects, including an underdeveloped political culture, low levels of participation in politics, and issues in the functioning of governance.
  • Hybrid regimes are countries with regular electoral fraud, preventing them from being fair and free democracies. These countries commonly have non-independent judiciaries, widespread corruption, and weak rule of law. Political opponents and the media face harassment and pressure from governments. These countries have a less-developed political culture, lower levels of participation in politics, and more pronounced issues in the functioning of governance compared to flawed democracies.
  • Authoritarian regimes are countries where political pluralism is nonexistent or severely limited. These nations are often absolute monarchies or dictatorships and may have some conventional institutions of democracy but with meagre significance. Infringements and abuses of civil liberties are commonplace, elections (if they take place) are not fair or free (especially sham elections), the media is often state-owned or controlled by groups associated with the ruling regime, the judiciary is not independent, and censorship and suppression of governmental criticism are commonplace
SpecialAgentMaggieBell · 25/03/2026 20:11

timeforreflection · 25/03/2026 19:29

Could you list off which countries in the world you think are de facto democracies and why?

The entire western world for a start.

timeforreflection · 25/03/2026 20:04

Twiglets1 · 25/03/2026 20:01

It's not hilarious, the UK is a democracy.

Do you you think the views of the majority are given their correct weight in determining domestic and foreign policy?

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timeforreflection · 25/03/2026 20:02

@Twiglets1

Most answers are experts' assessments

These are western experts, presumably, and the problem we have is that half the world don't agree with them

Some answers are provided by public-opinion surveys from the respective countries. In the case of countries for which survey results are missing, survey results for similar countries and expert assessments are used in order to fill in gaps.

The surveys I have seen from "not democratic" countries generally take a sample of around 0.07 to send request out to and even if only a few reply will take that; or on a self selected group, so the answers are nowhere near reliable. I am not saying right or wrong, but nowhere near reliable. And who decides which is a "similar" country?

I do think it is interesting that the UK is seen as more democratic than Isreal and US. Though even as I write that (as someone from the UK) I can't help wry laughter!! Aren't most western democracies failing states now?

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Twiglets1 · 25/03/2026 20:01

timeforreflection · 25/03/2026 19:50

Yes, but read my reply to your post above.
It is hilarious (not) that you think that we actually have a functioning democracy in the uk, with freedom of speech and the views of the majority taken into consideration in relation to domestic and foreign policy

You would be hard pressed to find a politician who would genuinely agree with you there.

Bottom line - if the US and Israel win against Iran it will be disastrous for all of us.

It's not hilarious, the UK is a democracy.

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