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Two short videos showing Israelis protesting against Israel's war against Iran and Israelis protesting against Israel state police

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timeforreflection · 25/03/2026 13:50

Two short videos showing Israelis protesting against the actions of the Israeli state, and Israelis protesting against Israel state police.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6dJFfliqKQs

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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6dJFfliqKQs

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timeforreflection · 28/03/2026 12:08

BelleHathor · 27/03/2026 18:29

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I agree with you and I liked the clips.

I also think there is a major problem in the UK and the US and fast spreading to EU countries and that is to do with education, and I don't mean in a snobbish or elitist sense, I mean that in the last 50 years or so "progressive education" or "no education" has fallen in and out of fashion in the UK and the US meaning that large chunks of the population have, in relation to geopolitics, quite literally not learned anything about 20th c and 21st c history across the globe and have not learned about politics, world affairs or or history before that, nor about different political systems, or geography, or cultures, or about governance issues in general. This applies to some people going into politics as well, British ministers are sometimes accused of ignorance, and politicians in the UK themselves have commented that they have no leeway when it comes to foreign policy, everything is decided by intelligence and the foreign office. And when it comes to other areas there are committees in place which pretty much direct domestic policy too. And it seems that the press is largely directed by this.

Most of the population won't know root causes of conflicts, not because they aren't interested but because it wasn't covered as part of their education.

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SharonEllis · 28/03/2026 11:45

timeforreflection · 28/03/2026 11:29

The other poster said "Iran said [...]"
I said "No, Iran said [...]"
Me correcting them factually is not "unquestioningly" it is being accurate about what was said without giving a value judgement.

The UN has asked that people stop referring to governments as "regimes"

So what? I think only MN has authority here 😂

timeforreflection · 28/03/2026 11:29

inamarina · 28/03/2026 10:45

You repeat the Iranian regime propaganda (entirely unquestioningly as it seems) and then go on to say that facts matter.
Absolutely astonishing.

The other poster said "Iran said [...]"
I said "No, Iran said [...]"
Me correcting them factually is not "unquestioningly" it is being accurate about what was said without giving a value judgement.

The UN has asked that people stop referring to governments as "regimes"

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SharonEllis · 28/03/2026 10:54

And suggesting we listen to Marandi shill for one of the most evil regimes on earth 🤔

inamarina · 28/03/2026 10:45

timeforreflection · 27/03/2026 18:20

They have not said they killed thousands of their own people.

You are endlessly misquoting.

They said that the rioters killed and that only rioters who were violent and causing harm and damage were arrested and punished. They said the innocent people including women and children who got killed were either killed by the rioters or by crossfire, when the rioters were being suppressed. They said that no protesters were killed for protesting, and in fact the government announced measures to meet the economic concerns.

Believe or don't believe, but don't misquote.

If rioters in the UK had firearms and were shooting at the police and innocent bystanders, what would happen? What would happen in the US and in Israel?

By all means say that you support Iran being bombed. Just stop the misquoting.

Facts matter.

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You repeat the Iranian regime propaganda (entirely unquestioningly as it seems) and then go on to say that facts matter.
Absolutely astonishing.

Stirabout · 27/03/2026 22:41

Whether it’s murdering your own or others you have invaded it’s all abhorrent
No one should be supporting that
and supporting this illegal war shows a persons morals are really in the bin

Thank goodness most people are completely against it

Bringemout · 27/03/2026 22:17

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Stirabout · 27/03/2026 21:33

War is big business for Trump it doesn’t matter what the American people think he really doesn’t care. In an interview he laughed at the concept of Starmer ‘asking his cabinet’. Trump said whats he asking them for Starmers the leader
Fgs Trump doesn’t even understand what a democracy is
this idiot that’s crashing the markets and killing thousands of innocent people in his support of Israel is as thick as shit.

Palantir fund MAGA candidates and even Trumps ballroom

To Trump it’s not about bringing about peace
its not about how desperate he is for the Nobel Peace Prize 😆😆
War is a money maker
or at least he thought it was 😳

He’s keeping his mates happy for those donations down the line … he may need them when he eventually gets arrested

timeforreflection · 27/03/2026 21:21

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timeforreflection · 27/03/2026 21:16

SunnyAfternoonToday · 27/03/2026 18:38

Absolutely correct. As for the general population of Iran holding firearms while living under a rigid religious theocracy, this beggars belief.

As far as I know it has been confirmed by neutral sources outside Iran, that the firearms were from outside Iran. As far as I know - you will need to check that.

Are you aware of what Palentir has been doing in relation to killing people in Gaza, no doubt to be repeated elsewhere? To me it beggars belief that you think the west has some moral high ground here. They don't.

It also beggars belief that the vast majority of people in the west do not agree with armed conflict yet governments are waging it - and still think we are functioning democracies in the sense that the peoples' wishes are taken into consideration.

We want peace, Sunny Afternoon. Peace.

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Stirabout · 27/03/2026 21:10

Watched the videos but not surprised and glad Israelis are protesting against this war.

What surprised me more was the number of Israeli Arabs killed in Israel just so far this year and the lack of investigation and accountability.

Perhaps when the far right Government are gone they might all get it

Thanks for posting the videos

Two short videos showing Israelis protesting against Israel's war against Iran and Israelis protesting against Israel state police
timeforreflection · 27/03/2026 21:07

Twiglets1 · 27/03/2026 18:30

I cannot engage with you anymore because I won't debate with someone who denies the reality of what the IRGC did to their own civilians in the early part of this year. Putting the blame on them not where it rightly lies.

This is a reason why the IRGC should be classified as a terrorist organisation in the UK as well as the EU, Australia US, Canada, Sweden etc.

So that it will become an offence for people to openly support them.

I asked you to stop misquoting.

And now I ask you to stop gaslighting, because I am neither supporting nor not supporting, I am saying stop starting geopolitical wars and pretending you care about the people.

If you don't want to engage I'd welcome that, I find your posts disgraceful.

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SharonEllis · 27/03/2026 18:55

timeforreflection · 27/03/2026 18:20

They have not said they killed thousands of their own people.

You are endlessly misquoting.

They said that the rioters killed and that only rioters who were violent and causing harm and damage were arrested and punished. They said the innocent people including women and children who got killed were either killed by the rioters or by crossfire, when the rioters were being suppressed. They said that no protesters were killed for protesting, and in fact the government announced measures to meet the economic concerns.

Believe or don't believe, but don't misquote.

If rioters in the UK had firearms and were shooting at the police and innocent bystanders, what would happen? What would happen in the US and in Israel?

By all means say that you support Iran being bombed. Just stop the misquoting.

Facts matter.

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Ok I suggest we stop engaging with this nonsense. Everyone knows the Islamic Republic is one of the worst offenders in terms of human rights in the world, utterly brutal in its repression of dissent, and highly sophisticated in its propaganda & terrorist machine, lapped up by useful idiots all around the world maybe, but that doesnt alter the facts. Yes Iranians are intelligent, sophisticated and highly educated. Noone has said otherwise and anyone who is familiar with Iran before the revilution, the Iranian opposition now, and the people of the diaspora is well aware of that.

SunnyAfternoonToday · 27/03/2026 18:38

Twiglets1 · 27/03/2026 18:30

I cannot engage with you anymore because I won't debate with someone who denies the reality of what the IRGC did to their own civilians in the early part of this year. Putting the blame on them not where it rightly lies.

This is a reason why the IRGC should be classified as a terrorist organisation in the UK as well as the EU, Australia US, Canada, Sweden etc.

So that it will become an offence for people to openly support them.

Absolutely correct. As for the general population of Iran holding firearms while living under a rigid religious theocracy, this beggars belief.

Twiglets1 · 27/03/2026 18:30

timeforreflection · 27/03/2026 18:20

They have not said they killed thousands of their own people.

You are endlessly misquoting.

They said that the rioters killed and that only rioters who were violent and causing harm and damage were arrested and punished. They said the innocent people including women and children who got killed were either killed by the rioters or by crossfire, when the rioters were being suppressed. They said that no protesters were killed for protesting, and in fact the government announced measures to meet the economic concerns.

Believe or don't believe, but don't misquote.

If rioters in the UK had firearms and were shooting at the police and innocent bystanders, what would happen? What would happen in the US and in Israel?

By all means say that you support Iran being bombed. Just stop the misquoting.

Facts matter.

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I cannot engage with you anymore because I won't debate with someone who denies the reality of what the IRGC did to their own civilians in the early part of this year. Putting the blame on them not where it rightly lies.

This is a reason why the IRGC should be classified as a terrorist organisation in the UK as well as the EU, Australia US, Canada, Sweden etc.

So that it will become an offence for people to openly support them.

BelleHathor · 27/03/2026 18:29

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Two short videos showing Israelis protesting against Israel's war against Iran and Israelis protesting against Israel state police
Two short videos showing Israelis protesting against Israel's war against Iran and Israelis protesting against Israel state police
BelleHathor · 27/03/2026 18:28

timeforreflection · 27/03/2026 17:57

You don't have to sign in. Go into "incognito mode" and copy and paste the link and when it asks you to sign in, scroll down and press the "reject all" button, you will be able to then watch it.

You asked me for links upthread. There are other Iranian academics including women (if that makes a difference for you) who are brave enough to be interviewed, and easy to find on youtube once you watch one of these. There are also home videos by westerners who have married Iranian men and women easy to find.

It is a lot more complex (and interesting) than "they are evil". There are many who are highly regarded Iranian scholars in the academic world, with PHDs in philosophy, political science, democracy etc who do not want US intervention or to be bombed.

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Absolutely correct about the PHDs, Iran has one of the most highly educated populations in the World and is usually in the Top 5 countries with the highest IQs.

You are right that it is far more complex that "Iran bad". Thankfully Gen Z are less susceptible to propaganda as due to the Internet their worlds are a lot smaller and they know and interact with Iranians.

Vs Hegseth and Trump, both of whom act like they barely graduated from school.

Re Iranian PHDs these jokes, that were trending the other day.

timeforreflection · 27/03/2026 18:20

Twiglets1 · 27/03/2026 18:15

I don't think it's ok that they killed thousands of their own people just for protesting, no.

Where is the evidence most of the rioters had handguns?

Did the women and children who got killed have handguns too?

It's ridiculous to try to defend a regime that kills their own civilians just for the "crime" of protesting.

They have not said they killed thousands of their own people.

You are endlessly misquoting.

They said that the rioters killed and that only rioters who were violent and causing harm and damage were arrested and punished. They said the innocent people including women and children who got killed were either killed by the rioters or by crossfire, when the rioters were being suppressed. They said that no protesters were killed for protesting, and in fact the government announced measures to meet the economic concerns.

Believe or don't believe, but don't misquote.

If rioters in the UK had firearms and were shooting at the police and innocent bystanders, what would happen? What would happen in the US and in Israel?

By all means say that you support Iran being bombed. Just stop the misquoting.

Facts matter.

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Twiglets1 · 27/03/2026 18:15

timeforreflection · 27/03/2026 18:11

The UK has not proscribed them terrorists and innocent Iranians are being killed but you think it is okay to say they are "religious lunatics"? I am amazed that your posts are allowed to stand.

They did not say they killed 3117, they said that most of the 3117 were killed by rioters with firearms and other weapons, that innocent people and hundreds of police were killed by armed rioters. This is why I think you are being disingenuous - you can believe or not believe what they say, but endlessly misquoting them is not okay.

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I don't think it's ok that they killed thousands of their own people just for protesting, no.

Where is the evidence most of the rioters had handguns?

Did the women and children who got killed have handguns too?

It's ridiculous to try to defend a regime that kills their own civilians just for the "crime" of protesting.

timeforreflection · 27/03/2026 18:11

Twiglets1 · 27/03/2026 18:03

Yes it's allowed to call the IRGC religious lunatics.

They are proscribed terrorists in the EU and many other countries, if not the UK yet.

The IRGC murdered thousands of their own people - even their own figures admit to over 3,000 killed in a few days. It is because they have killed them and ripped their lives apart that I refer to them as religious lunatics. They are religious and they are lunatics unless you think slaughtering your own people is a rational response to internal protests.

The UK has not proscribed them terrorists and innocent Iranians are being killed but you think it is okay to say they are "religious lunatics"? I am amazed that your posts are allowed to stand.

They did not say they killed 3117, they said that most of the 3117 were killed by rioters with firearms and other weapons, that innocent people and hundreds of police were killed by armed rioters. This is why I think you are being disingenuous - you can believe or not believe what they say, but endlessly misquoting them is not okay.

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SharonEllis · 27/03/2026 18:05

Twiglets1 · 27/03/2026 18:03

Yes it's allowed to call the IRGC religious lunatics.

They are proscribed terrorists in the EU and many other countries, if not the UK yet.

The IRGC murdered thousands of their own people - even their own figures admit to over 3,000 killed in a few days. It is because they have killed them and ripped their lives apart that I refer to them as religious lunatics. They are religious and they are lunatics unless you think slaughtering your own people is a rational response to internal protests.

Exactly. You have to have lost your moral moorings to think the behaviour of the theocratic leadership of Iran is anything other than violently extreme . They are self evidently religious.

Twiglets1 · 27/03/2026 18:03

timeforreflection · 27/03/2026 16:51

"religious lunatics" - is this sort of speech allowed here? Just because it isn't your religion? I think your post is appalling given that normal people in the region are being killed and having their lives ripped apart.

Yes it's allowed to call the IRGC religious lunatics.

They are proscribed terrorists in the EU and many other countries, if not the UK yet.

The IRGC murdered thousands of their own people - even their own figures admit to over 3,000 killed in a few days. It is because they have killed them and ripped their lives apart that I refer to them as religious lunatics. They are religious and they are lunatics unless you think slaughtering your own people is a rational response to internal protests.

timeforreflection · 27/03/2026 17:57

IrishSelkie · 27/03/2026 17:49

So what do you think of the Iranian pov in the video?

I couldn’t watch it without signing in and I refuse to create an account on YouTube because of privacy concerns. So I can’t watch it.

I value your opinion as well as OP’s. I think it is best to get multiple points of view.

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You don't have to sign in. Go into "incognito mode" and copy and paste the link and when it asks you to sign in, scroll down and press the "reject all" button, you will be able to then watch it.

You asked me for links upthread. There are other Iranian academics including women (if that makes a difference for you) who are brave enough to be interviewed, and easy to find on youtube once you watch one of these. There are also home videos by westerners who have married Iranian men and women easy to find.

It is a lot more complex (and interesting) than "they are evil". There are many who are highly regarded Iranian scholars in the academic world, with PHDs in philosophy, political science, democracy etc who do not want US intervention or to be bombed.

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IrishSelkie · 27/03/2026 17:49

SharonEllis · 27/03/2026 17:42

You have no idea what I would say. About anything.

So what do you think of the Iranian pov in the video?

I couldn’t watch it without signing in and I refuse to create an account on YouTube because of privacy concerns. So I can’t watch it.

I value your opinion as well as OP’s. I think it is best to get multiple points of view.

timeforreflection · 27/03/2026 17:47

SharonEllis · 27/03/2026 17:41

I thought you weren't engaging with me ??

I read this message after saying that I didn't want to engage hence the "I will bite".

I will engage on this point as I think you are talking tosh and it is important to push back on it.

In relation to anything else I'd rather not engage because I think you are being intentionally inflammatory.

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