Let's not forget the sickening behaviour of Iran in all this.....

There were actually about 5 prisoners in the bastille so that made no difference and the French Revolution led to an incredibly bloody and violent civil war - certainly not the liberty equality fraternity that they liked to espouse.

anyway…

I hate this binary thinking. Of course Iran is an evil regime. But so is North Korea. So is arguably china. Russia tortures dissidents. Rape is a widespread weapon of war in the DRC.

are we going to bomb all these places? No of course not. The sad truth is that some places are just not nice places to live and there but for the grace of God, we live in a democratic country.

Trump and Netanyahu have stirred a hornets nest that’s going to be impossible to stop. Netanyahu knows exactly what he is doing. Trump does not.

So far the attacks have resulted in the supreme leader being replaced by his son who is apparently more hardline. And allowed Iran to demonstrate to the world that they have a stranglehold over a significant portion of oil supplies. I would like to be optimistic that the Iranian regime will fall and be replaced by something better to justify all the deaths but I don’t see how you can be optimistic.
Trump thought he could ‘do a Venezuela’, kill the man at the top and get him replaced with someone who would cooperate. It didn’t work, and now he has no plan. Netanyahu is totally ruthless but that doesn’t mean he has any chance of success either. But he might turn Beirut to rubble like he has Gaza.

Plenty argued in favour of Palestinian terrorists so it wouldn’t surprise me if there were.

Hopefully they’ll get there.

It’s an incredible trifecta of ideology which in the leaders means they will use torture and death to repress, geography which gives them a choke hold on the world as ransom and huge wealth from oil to keep and not share with the people.

Add in desire to get to nuclear weapons and the only leaders who would use it, pretty bad all round.

I wonder if like the fall of the Bastille in the french Revolution whether anything would happen if the resistance could get the Iranian prisons open.
There was a beautiful letter written by an Iranian saying don't bomb the prisons, tomorrows leaders are in there.
They also mentioned soft ways of helping the regime to topple by opening up Comms.

Really? Degrade to what??

You think the cost to millions, even billions of poorer people around the world is worth it to continue a war, with no realistic chance of achieving "Regime Change"?
In fact any Regime Change is going to mean an even more awful Government in Tehran.... not a nice peaceful democratic one, so the brutality will get worse.

The impacts from this are going to be very widespread, will be huge in the UK, inflation, interest rates, rent and mortgages up, repossessions... more poverty.

Perhaps none of this bothers you and you can afford to ride out the impacts.

On Hormuz, Iran is doing what any country would do if attacked, its using the "weapons" it has....

Yes they can hold the world to ransom with the Strait and be as evil as they want. Everyone will let them.

No - we should remember how evil they are, and there are signs of a further crackdown. All while thousands of Iranian civilians have been killed and injured by US / Israeli bombing while many more displaced. Neither side is focusing on improving their lives.

I had seen that nurses who helped the protesters had been killed or raped and tortured.
They are evil wicked people and I'm sure other followers of islam are outraged that this is all practice in the name of the religion.

I absolutely hope this wicked evil regime is finished but...I can't see how that would happen when they seem to have such a grip not only on their own population but on us with this straight of Hormuz !

I dont know what the best thing is...back down and let it rumble on , USA did try after all and has hopefully downgraded their nuclear plans..or just send in a troops from all over ?

I just don't know.

There are some countering with support for it to stay.

Op it’s horrendous.

Hopefully any regime that allows rapists to get away with their disgusting acts is brought to an end.

Nope.

Is there anyone arguing that on here?