Let's not forget the sickening behaviour of Iran in all this.....

Did anyone on this board say it was only about helping the people of Iran?

Regime change would have been a welcome outcome but that has to come from within Iran and hasn't happened (yet). The war will have weakened the regime economically and militarily though and this could mean regime change comes around sooner rather than later, hopefully.

I thought we had moved on from pretending this war is about helping the people of Iran.

I don't doubt they exist and I hope they get called out on it.

I was just asking where that poster encountered them.

I didn't say that, did I?

The second part of my post does happen frequently in many threads though

You may not have seen them but they do exist.

I agree that new and more moderate leaders in Iran, Israel and the US would indeed be a good thing.

I have seen that comment made on MN too so although you missed it @TopPocketFind that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

The best thing for the world right now would be in the regimes in Iran, Israel and America all fell.

Really? I must have missed those posters

I have seen plenty of posters accussing people of supporting the IRGC if they criticise US/Israel actions

There are a few posters on this board who like to say that the protestors are actually rioters brought in by the US and Israel and that the death toll is made up by the Western media.

Where do you see this support on MN?

The British and the US actions back then do not cover them in glory, quite the reverse.

However, it was decades ago and the IRGC need to be held responsible for their own actions. They are a proscribed terrorist organisation who have not done Iran any favours talking of rape, torture and murder of Iranian people as well as the people of other countries via their proxies.

Iran had a secular democracy in the fifties under Mohammed Mossadeq, and guess who couldn't bear it and set about staging a coup and subsequent regime change with the help of the USA?
Yes, it was the British. They installed the Shah with his secret police and rapes and tortures, and gradually the Iranians built up a force vicious, fanatical and determined enough to overthrow him.
If the British hadn't been so determined to undermine and destroy Iran's democracy, Iran could have done something other with its resources than endless war and the mindset that goes with endless war.

Yes the lives of Iranians were hard enough without having their loved ones killed and their homes destroyed by Israeli and American bombs.

The supposed supreme leader still hasn't been seen in public.

Supposed recent photographs of Khamenei distributed by the Iranian government were manipulated with artificial intelligence, according to Shayan Sardarizadeh, a senior journalist with BBC Verify.

Many reports that he is severely wounded or disfigured, possibly even in a coma. We don't know the truth but there will be a reason he isn't appearing in public even behind a screen.

Well obviously Iran is a disgraceful regime, but it isnt for the US and Israel to take it upon themselves to sort it out.

As far as I know the new supreme leader Mojtaba Khamenei still hasn’t been seen in public since February 28th (or heard in a live broadcast).
In addition to that, several Iranian generals and senior officials have been killed, including security chief Ali Larijani and IRGC Drone Unit Commander Saeed Agha Jani.

Its all very well going down the "Iran cannot be allowed to have Nukes" which i agree with BUT what Trump is doing, wont stop that.

What will is troops able to go in and destroy the stockpiles, held deep underground which bombs wont reach.

As this will means 1000s of dead western troops, the only people calling for this are those who can avoid sending their own kids to die, happy to send others children...... and/or perhaps able to move to other countries, not involved.

Iran would probably have agreed to No Nukes in return for a lifting of sanctions, any chance of that has long gone now and Iran will do all it can to get them, aided by Putin......

Well done the 'right wing!

People need to be certain on where they are with this. They get closer on weapons and nothing can be done to stop them.

All evidence suggests that they were no where near having nuclear weapons and that in any case a deal was close to being made. But that didn’t suit Netanyahu and trump thought he could just install a puppet leader. Instead there is now somebody more hardline. Oh and guess who is choosing to invade Lebanon while this is all going on?

It doesn’t just go away if people ignore it. It gets stronger and in five to ten years you’d probably get people demanding why since the threat was known and so obvious nothing was done.

This.

Also Trump is now doing exactly the same as Iran blocking the Straits of Hormuz by preventing fuel supplies getting to Cuba and Israel is spreading its campaign of murder further across the Middle East. Nobody has the moral high ground here which is why we should stay out of it.

Trump and Netanyahu have stirred a hornets nest that’s going to be impossible to stop. Netanyahu knows exactly what he is doing. Trump does not.

This point exactly. The hornets' nest has been stirred - and it has started off a chain of events that are chaotic and unpredictable. I would add that Netanyahu is also using war to keep himself out of the courts (sound familiar??).

One major difference is what would happen if the IRGC / leaders did get to aim of having nuclear weapons.

Most if not all countries agree they can’t. Whereas the others do do evil things but the risk to the RoW is lower as they wouldn’t use them and get MAD.

No they didn't.

People argued against killing 10s of 1000s of people and therefore ensuring a constant stream of new terrorists for decades to come.

The same will happen in Iran, then there is the millions who will come to Europe and doubtless all those on the 'right supporting Trump will be moaning about all these bloody migrants crossing the channel.....

We can stop Iran from getting Nuclear by other means but then again, Trump did say He had destroyed their Nuclear stockpiles last year..... so why the attacks now??