Should the international community sanction Israel over settler violence in West Bank?

Tedious hair splitting on here sometimes. It’s a shame as it just diverts from any discussion on the actual content shared.

I don’t say all your facts are unreliable and you saying I did is another example of why I can’t just accept your statements at face value.

What I said was I find some of the statements you present as facts to be unreliable.

@Twiglets It wasn’t intended to be a surprise. I don’t think it’s a surprise to anyone who has been following events. However, it’s well written and prescient.

That's a very Israeli stance to take. When you don't like the narrative, claim the source is unreliable. We hear that a lot.

Haartz is known to have an anti Israel stance so their journalists opinion is no surprise.

My facts are unreliable? There you go.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Timeline_of_Israel-Palestine_fatalities_2008-2023.png

This did not start on Oct 7th.

Israel Isn't Debating a Palestinian State. It's Preparing for Expulsion - Opinion

Here it is

Apologies got the link - not sure it’s working? The one at the bottom is to a different article.

I agree. It is obvious that it’s coercion.

Here are some extracts from Amira Hass’ piece in Haaretz earlier this week. Won’t post on its entirety but would recommend. It’s a powerful and sobering read.

Otherwise Occupied
Israel Isn't Debating a Palestinian State. It's Preparing for Expulsion

‘Gadi Eisenkot's position on Palestinian statehood is beside the point. Across Gaza, the West Bank and Israel itself, the machinery for making Palestinian life impossible is already operating, laying the groundwork for mass expulsion.’

‘"Erasure" is the nightmare solution being written into reality every day. Knesset laws, politicians' declarations, military orders, school textbooks and the holy real estate battalions operating in Gaza, the West Bank and the Negev all work, together and separately, to advance this "solution" diligently and without fear of international condemnation.’

‘Israeli policy is directed toward making life unbearable for Palestinianswherever they live, so that their emigration can be described as an act of free will. ‘

‘The Jewish Phalangists and the right-wing organizations that fuel them are counting on broad mobilization, including from the leaders, voters and supporters of Yashar and the liberal Democrats party, for a war that could already be given the slogan: "One people, one army, one land cleansed of Arabs."’

www.haaretz.com/opinion/2026-09-01/ty-article/.premium/israel-isnt-debating-a-palestinian-state-its-preparing-for-expulsion/000001a0-56c1-dc19-a5a4-dfdfa0fd0000

That’s a very complex question and not one I feel best qualified to answer even if I take your statement at face value. Which I don’t as I find some of the statements you present as facts to be unreliable.

In any case it’s not the point I was making which is that factually speaking, 7/10/23 was the event that triggered the Gaza war.

Well here's another for you with plenty of links for you to fact check it.

The Academic/Media Studies on Expulsion: Academic studies and mainstream televised polls (including surveys by Channel 12 and Channel 13) recorded highly controversial figures regarding harsher measures. A study discussed extensively in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz showed that 82% of Jewish Israelis surveyed expressed support for the expulsion or transfer of Gazans. The same poll found that 56% supported expelling Palestinian citizens of Israel.

https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/poll-show-most-jewish-israelis-support-expelling-gazans

https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/poll-show-most-jewish-israelis-support-expelling-gazans

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-05-28/ty-article-magazine/.premium/yes-to-transfer-82-of-jewish-israelis-back-expelling-gazans/00000197-12a4-df22-a9d7-9ef6af930000

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2025-06-04/ty-article-opinion/.premium/do-82-of-israelis-really-back-expulsion-of-gazans-the-data-tells-a-different-story/00000197-39da-da41-a9f7-3dde468d0000

Why did Israel murder 6000 Palestinians in Gaza then while mowing the grass.

It’s irrelevant what I think it means.

The fact is this was the way it was put to Israelis in your poll & it probably meant different things to different people. Whether it was a large sample or a valid poll I don’t know 🤷🏼‍♀️

What do you think "encouraging" means?? The encouragement is making life so unbearable that they have no choice but to leave if they want to live. Historically, this is not the first time the term has been used.

He’s one man so how can he represent the whole of Israel?

Do any UK politicians- even those in Government- represent all of us?

“Encouraging the voluntary migration” is very different from wanting people to be forcibly removed or removed from the population by killing them.

Even assuming the poll is a reliable one which I don’t know as haven’t checked it out.

Again, just because some hardliners/extremists in the Israel government want to remove Palestinians from Gaza, that does not equate to ordinary Israeli soldiers (who have to perform military service whether they want to or not) all being psychopaths who would kill children deliberately for sport.

To suggest they are a nation of psychopathic lunatics who enjoy killing children is antisemitic.

Got any facts or figures to back up your claim?

The Sovereignty Movement Poll: A poll released ahead of the right-wing Sovereignty Movement conference found that 73% of the Jewish Israeli public supports "encouraging the voluntary emigration" of Gaza Strip residents to other countries.
https://www.ribonut.co.il/BlogPostID.aspx?BlogPostId=1051&lang=2

It's not just the majority view. It's overwhelmingly the majority view.

I don’t call it war because it wasn’t a war.

You can’t just label things how you want to label things. It’s factual that Israel & Hamas were not in a war before 7/10/23 and it’s factual who triggered the war with their actions that day.

It’s what Katz may have wanted from the start but he is a hardliner he does not represent the whole of Israel.

Any more than extremists in British politics represent the British people. If Reform or Restore formed a coalition with the Conservative Party and got into power - God forbid - their extreme views still wouldn’t represent the majority view.

I said Israel had murdered 5 times as many Palestinians than Oct 7th. They called it mowing the grass. If that is not war, what do you call it. Actually what Israel is doing in Gaza is not war. War is between two armies. Hamas are not an army. It is a genocide.

They did start the war that began on 7/10/23.

The two sides were not at war on the day before the Hamas attack as you know.

I don’t see an agenda from @OpenScroller just a difference of opinion.

You probably think I have an agenda too but people are allowed to express different opinions in a debate. Otherwise it’s an echo chamber not a discussion forum.

@OpenScroller, "Didn't they deliberately start the war by invading and committing genocide in Israel though? You can't argue about the intent there, can you?".

No, they didn't start the war. Up to Oct 7th, Israel had murdered 5 times as many Palestinians in Gaza than Hamas did. They called it mowing the grass.