Should the international community sanction Israel over settler violence in West Bank?

Actually the whole reason the grooming gang scandal was such a scandal is because of accusations that the police and social services did know it was happening and did nothing to stop it. Not the best example but I know what you mean.

I have also been on these boards for a while. And clearly remember people posting that life in Palestine was all rosy. People posting pictures of shops full of goods, chocolate etc. That cafes were stuffed with food and that there were hotels running. That Gaza was only a bit damaged, ie a kitchen cabinet door might be hanging off, not the total destruction and misery that exists there now. Propaganda at it’s finest!

The suggestion was there that Israel failed to take action “for their own reasons”. It was said twice in case anyone missed it the first time.

I asked for evidence that Israel deliberately allowed it to happen but of course none was forthcoming from the poster who made the accusation. Because there is no evidence that it was allowed to happen, only that mistakes were made.

Lots of terrorist actions are followed by reports that point out where mistakes were made. If mistakes weren’t made it probably couldn’t have happened.

Even in the UK we have awful things happen that were preventable (grooming gangs for example). Were mistakes made? Yes. Is anyone suggesting/implying that UK leaders allowed it to happen for their own reasons? No.

I think part of the issue here is that it is hard to know what is really going on in Gaza or the West Bank as Israel controls media access.

But it is hard to give Israel the benefit of the doubt here, given that they are preventing full access.

Also, to the person who said Smotrich and Ben G’vir aren’t representative of Israel, they do have two important cabinet posts. Can you imagine if our chancellor and number two in the home office had made clear racist statements?!

I think that Netanyahu is making hay while the sun shines as he knows, whatever he does, he has Trump pretty much on side, and most of Europe (including UK) won’t take on Trump and Israel by sanctioning them unilaterally.

I think the Israelis would have to take actions against settler violence if the republicans got in in the U.S. Public opinion in the U.S is now running strongly against Israel, for the first time in decades (if not ever).

"Legitimate criticism of Israel is fine, of course." I hear that a lot but who decides what is legitimate and what isn't. I absolutely criticise Zionism in its current form and the actions of Israel towards the Palestinians and I absolutely refuse to conflate Judaism and Zionism. Not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews.

This whole discussion started by people pointing out that Israel had multiple sources of evidence that an attack was imminent and failed to act on that evidence. I don't remember anyone directly accusing Israel of letting it happen although I will concede the implication was there.

There are 15.6 million Palestinians world wide (roughly half live in Palestine) . A huge population really.

We will never forget what has been done to them .

The future war crime trials will bring more details the world doesn't even know yet.

I wish I had your faith in humanity that the world won't forget and I sincerely hope I am wrong on this. I know I won't and my kids won't but what about their kids. If the Palestinians are driven into Egypt, for example, they will be known as Palestinians for a while, then Egyptian Palestinians until eventually they will just be known as Egyptians.

The Israeli government are completely secure in the knowledge there are no reprecussions no matter what they do. They have carefully curated a narrative of defense when they are attacking. It has been a masterclass in propaganda really.

I actually think the long term is not as positive for Israel. Once they have ethnically cleansed the West Bank they will be left with a population whose violence and crimes have been aided and abetted by the judicial and military forces. How to bring them under control is going to be an interesting prospect.

Plus I don't think people really will ever forget. There have been many reports of Isralies attacked on holidays this summer. (For the record I completely condemn this) . The war crimes are there to see.

I think this Israeli government have come to realise that no matter what they do, there will be no government level repercussions. Yes, their global reputation is in tatters but they don't seem to care. I can only assume that once they have achieved their goal of ethnically cleansing the country of Palestinians, they will then start some media campaign to build up their image. I hope the world doesn't forget but unfortunately people can be fickle. Look how little coverage of Gaza there is. People are already forgetting.

None of those links say that the Israeli government knew about October 7th and let it happen.

It is what this section has become but sadly I think your post may well get deleted. It's probably a bit too frank but it's certainly true, and maybe MN should reflect on why, that most Jewish people have left this area of the site.

It's upsetting to post on here even as a non Jewish person with open contempt for one religious/cultural group being displayed day after day.

It's ironic that you accusing me of hatred for allegedly believing 'a lie' and then pen a post so filled with hatred and false accusations yourself. I haven't made any claims. No one knows whether this is true or not and probably never will.

I don't think it is acceptable for one or two posters to decide what is 'legitimate' criticism of Israel either.

@oopsBSoD several links have been provided by other posters already.

"There are, of course, reports that the Israelis knew about 7th October in advance and chose not to act to prevent it. "

Some stoop so low with unsubstantiated claims. Where does your hatred come from that you believe so easily that lie? That Israel who invest millions in defence would happily allow October 7th go ahead. Making mistakes is one thing and is not evidence of allowing a mass terrorist attack to go ahead. These threads have some very hateful and frankly disgusting unsubstantiated claims. The claim repeated by a poster is why most Jewish people left this area of mn, pure hatred. It's very low.

Or is it to be expected on CITME board 🤔 has this what this section has become.

Also shows how Netanyahu completely ignores the US. His buddy Huckabee is condemning it and he couldn't give a shit.

"Legitimate criticism of Israel is fine, of course." I hear that a lot but who decides what is legitimate and what isn't. I absolutely criticise Zionism in its current form and the actions of Israel towards the Palestinians and I absolutely refuse to conflate Judaism and Zionism. Not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews.

This whole discussion started by people pointing out that Israel had multiple sources of evidence that an attack was imminent and failed to act on that evidence. I don't remember anyone directly accusing Israel of letting it happen although I will concede the implication was there.

You may find it odious but it does not mean that it has not been mentioned repeatedly by various sources, nor does it mean that it is certainly untrue. The truth is that none of us know for sure.

The fact that 7/10 was an appalling, vicious attack is a separate point which I'm sure everyone agrees with.

There are, of course, Americans who believe that the CIA/powers that be in the US knew about 9/11 in advance too. They say so publicly. I don't find it offensive to consider either of these theories. There are most certainly lots of things going on behind the surface that the public are not made aware of.

It is encouraging to see a lot more mainstream media reports on settler terrorist activities. People are rightly getting more and more angry at their governments complete inaction in this. There is zero excuses for it and if it was any other country complicit and actively facilitating this there would be uproar. Let's remember who the victims are here.

This is a top down occupation strategy and that’s why sanctioning a few individuals is such a feeble response
Completely agree