Should the international community sanction Israel over settler violence in West Bank?

Why change the subject? You’ve made serious allegations against Ursula VDL and now British top politicians but don’t want to attempt to defend them suddenly. Easier just to throw out allegations I guess than to provide proper evidence.

If you want to go back to settler violence now, I’ve already said I’m against the Settlers and agree they should be sanctioned for their violence towards Palestinians.

I also think the more extremist members of the Israel government like Ben-Gvir should be sanctioned. He’s a disgrace.

I guess it depends on what inherent bias you already had as to what version of history you believe.

I had none as I wasn't raised with an ingrained hatred of Jews (which seems to be a starting point for most anti Israel bias) and knew nothing of Palestinians so I was able to look at both sides.

There are actually old videos still in existence of Arabs themselves saying they were told to leave to get out of the way of the 5 established Arab Armies that invaded Israel (you'd think Israel was the aggressor!). Also that Deir Yassin was exaggerated to cause panic so they would flee

You can find them on YouTube. There are newspaper reports from the period still in existence.

Tantura was a story for a student thesis and unproven.

Interesting you haven't mentioned the Arabs attacks on Jews before 1948, in the same way as ignoring ongoing Palestinian terrorism in the West Bank I raised in a previous post.

List of killings and massacres in Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia

Do you agree that what is happening in Israel to the Palestinians is absolutely inhumane and should be illegal. I mean generally, in Gaza now and the West Bank.

Then you used “attributed to” incorrectly.

Plus what are you alleging now? Our top politicians are “bought & sold” in addition to Ursula VDH?

Down the rabbit hole we go…

That would be interesting.

Shame it wasn't done already really.

The Palestinians who were allowed to escape to Jordan were literally driven out by Israeli terrorists, as per the UK definition of the Irgun and Lehi. Haganah were involved in a lot of the atrocities but were forgiven because of someone to talk to as far as the British were concerned. There's no two sides to this story. Villages like Deir Yassin and Tantura were ancient villages who were slaughtered by European invaders. It's as simple as that. You can try as much as you like to push the vile concept that Plan Dalet, which is in its final stage, has some morally valid ethos but no, it is the same genocidal colonialism which civilised people now reject.

What you are advocating for is a war crime .

What have I said that's not factual about the history?

There are two sides to every story but even meeting somewhere in the middle, there is existing evidence that many Arabs fled what is now Israel in 1948 as they were promised by the Arab League that the Jews would be defeated (genocided) within days/weeks and they could then come back. Those that remained in Israel became Israeli citizens. There's enough evidence of that.

Also remember Jordan and Egypt illegally occupied Judea & Samaria (renaming it the West Bank) and Gaza from 1948 to 1967 and didn't create a Palestinian State.

Why was that then?

Palestinians are classed as refugees, correct? From where?

How about a much simpler way of determining who should live there. Prove your lineage to the land, how long you can actually trace your family ties to the land, whoever wins and stays and the loser can go wherever they like. No fairy tale books. Actual proven lineage.

Reported me for what?

Drop the hysteria, a simple explanation will do.

No. It's said about UK politicians.

You want me to be banned for having an opinion you disagree with?

Isn't there a word for that?

Is this an open board or only for anti Israel rhetoric?

Have you got any suggestions as to how to stop either side attacking each other?

Why just Jordan. They're Arabs so could go anywhere. Jesus. Every Jordanian Palestinian who are descendants of Palestinians who were driven out of their villages during the Nakba still class themselves as Palestinian, not Jordanian. That is the only passport they are allowed because Israel will not allow them to live on the land they belong to. I have had to rewrite this post so many times to make sure I stay within MSN rules. I'm fuming. Use your imagination and think what I actually think.

Sorry but isn't the violence stopping what we all want?

For both Palestinian and Israeli children to grow up in peace?

This has gone on for 78 years. So many generations lost.

What is the issue with Jordan when it is THE Palestinian State, and Palestinians are refugees living in refugee camps while under 'occupation' by Israel?

Aren't they entitled to live with self determination in their own land?

How it is it 'ethnic cleansing' when Jordan is Palestinian and they keep rejecting a State where they are now?

Please explain.

Absolutely vile. They should be banned.

Agree . Just shows though the mindset of some people .

@OpenScroller no they should not go to bloody Jordan to make space for some American who has decided to move to Israel.

Advocating for ethnic cleansing is never a good luck.

They could always go to Jordan.

That was the original Arab State before we screwed the Jews over by appeasing the Arabs.

It has 4 times the land mass of Israel and the 'occupied territories' combined (78% of the British Mandate), with a population of only 11 million vs 15 million.

70% of Jordan's population is already Palestinian and the vast majority of West Bank Palestinians held Jordanian citizenship prior to 1988.

Palestinians and their descendants are still classed as refugees 78 year later so why not resettle them at last?

Also 'Settler' violence seems a very one-sided take to me. The attacks on Israelis hardly warrant a mention in the MSM. There is a lot of anger about checkpoints, raids and security measures but I wouldn't like to imagine how many more attacks there would be without them.

Especially as the West Bank is on an elevation above Israel.

Seems to me it would be safer for everyone if there was a big buffer zone between Palestinians and Israelis.

Terror in West Bank: Israeli man seriously wounded, two attackers killed | The Jerusalem Post

Violence surges in West Bank as three Israelis killed and reprisals reported | CNN

Israeli killed in terror attack at Gush Etzion Junction in the West Bank; 3 others wounded | The Times of Israel

Four Israelis killed by Palestinian gunmen near West Bank settlement - BBC News

The West Bank: A 3-year crisis led by Palestinian terrorist groups - FDD's Long War Journal

If the political will to stop the ethnic cleansing really existed, I believe the situation could be managed to ensure replacements were sourced in good time. They should advise other companies to start stock piling asap.

According to trusty AI, Teva’s pharms are mostly generic and easily replaced. The difficulty is the sheer volume which would need to be produced and supplied over a period of months. Going by the current trajectory of the Israel state, it is only a matter of time before sanctions. Nothing else is going to stop them from committing these crimes. European countries should be making preparations.
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You're talking nonsense.

The term bought and paid for is not mine. It is attributed to many of our top level politicians.

Which top politicians said that? No one has

No one has. I'm talking about British politicians who have been bought and paid for as well all the other western politicians, especially the US ones. Send 3 billion as approved government expenditure and get a billion back into private bank accounts. Guess what. I don't have any verifiable quotes to support that. I wonder why.

Which UK top politicians have said that Ursula VDL is "bought and paid for"?