Trumps senior counter terrorism officer resigns due to the war with Iran and has said they only went to war because of Israeli pressure, not because of any imminent threat from Iran.

It’s crossing a line when you imply that the Israel lobby is trying to influence American policy knowingly and deliberately to the detriment of the USA.

AIPAC's spending is designed to influence US foreign policy and maintain strong American support for Israel. They are knowingly and deliberately trying to influence American foreign policy it's up to American citizens to decide whether it is to their detriment or not, a lot of what I'm reading from America is that people are not happy with it.

Obviously there’s an Israel lobby, and nobody thinks it’s not powerful and influential. Of course it’s legitimate to believe and say that you don’t agree with it. As it is to say you don’t agree with Bibi. Especially if you’re Israeli, and if you are, there’s a ballot box to make your point. Likewise Trump and his actions, if you’re a citizen of the USA (In contrast with Iran, at present).

It’s crossing a line when you imply that the Israel lobby is trying to influence American policy knowingly and deliberately to the detriment of the USA.

And “captured”? Captured by whom, exactly?

Bibi? Or “the Israel lobby”? Legitimately persuaded by force of argument or “captured”, mesmerized and brainwashed?

Bibi persuading Trump or anyone else is a perfectly legitimate thing to do, and to complain about and discuss. Bibi has his own and his country’s interests to consider and must do what he considers best, including persuading foreign leaders to help him. That’s rational and above-board. If Trump is persuaded to do so because Trump believes it’s in America’s (or his own) interests, more power to Bibi’s power of rhetoric.

Allegations that there’s an “Israel lobby” of Americans working nefariously and deliberately to further the interests of a foreign country over their own, that’s entirely different and wholly illegitimate thing to suggest. And once you get to “captured” then we’re talking about supernatural powers and things only Jews can do.

I think what’s going on here is that you’re so convinced that nobody rational could disagree with your position on the Middle East that if someone does disagree with you then there must be a Jewish conspiracy at the heart of it.

Jews usually gets a capital J, by the way. Christians and Muslims, mutatis mutandis.

Bibi? Or “the Israel lobby”? Legitimately persuaded by force of argument or “captured”, mesmerized and brainwashed?

Bibi persuading Trump or anyone else is a perfectly legitimate thing to do, and to complain about and discuss. Bibi has his own and his country’s interests to consider and must do what he considers best, including persuading foreign leaders to help him. That’s rational and above-board. If Trump is persuaded to do so because Trump believes it’s in America’s (or his own) interests, more power to Bibi’s power of rhetoric.

Allegations that there’s an “Israel lobby” of Americans working nefariously and deliberately to further the interests of a foreign country over their own, that’s entirely different and wholly illegitimate thing to suggest. And once you get to “captured” then we’re talking about supernatural powers and things only Jews can do.

I think what’s going on here is that you’re so convinced that nobody rational could disagree with your position on the Middle East that if someone does disagree with you then there must be a Jewish conspiracy at the heart of it.

Jews usually gets a capital J, by the way. Christians and Muslims, mutatis mutandis.

Bibi? Or “the Israel lobby”? Legitimately persuaded by force of argument or “captured”, mesmerized and brainwashed?

Bibi persuading Trump or anyone else is a perfectly legitimate thing to do, and to complain about and discuss. Bibi has his own and his country’s interests to consider and must do what he considers best, including persuading foreign leaders to help him. That’s rational and above-board. If Trump is persuaded to do so because Trump believes it’s in America’s (or his own) interests, more power to Bibi’s power of rhetoric.

Allegations that there’s an “Israel lobby” of Americans working nefariously and deliberately to further the interests of a foreign country over their own, that’s entirely different and wholly illegitimate thing to suggest. And once you get to “captured” then we’re talking about supernatural powers and things only Jews can do.

I think what’s going on here is that you’re so convinced that nobody rational could disagree with your position on the Middle East that if someone does disagree with you then there must be a Jewish conspiracy at the heart of it.

Jews usually gets a capital J, by the way. Christians and Muslims, mutatis mutandis.

No, it's nothing to do with jews controlling the world or drinking blood or running Hollywood or Soros. It's about Trump and Bibi essentially being criminals willing to do anything to cling to power and stay out of prison. One is smart, one is stupid. You choose.

Its clear that as long as you're prepared to toady up to Trump and toe the line on his various lies you'll be considered for any position regardless of whether or not you're qualified. See also Kash Patel.

It's awful to see the disruption already bought by Trump and he's not even halfway through term. Let's hope those saying MAGA is finished are right- imo Trump is the most dangerous man in the world.

So, to be clear, you're telling me what I think?

It has been updated for modern times.

People still assuming Israel has an almost supernatural amount of power.

The drinking blood thing is old hat now so they have moved on to Netanyahu pulling Trump's strings. Because one is stupid and one is smart, apparently.

No, it's nothing to do with jews controlling the world or drinking blood or running Hollywood or Soros. It's about Trump and Bibi essentially being criminals willing to do anything to cling to power and stay out of prison. One is smart, one is stupid. You choose.

No, it's nothing to do with jews controlling the world or drinking blood or running Hollywood or Soros. It's about Trump and Bibi essentially being criminals willing to do anything to cling to power and stay out of prison. One is smart, one is stupid. You choose.

As someone who has diametrically opposed opinions to you, I can assure you, I don't consider him a remotely credible person. One could say equally, that he would normally be beloved by those now rushing to revile him because that suits their current agenda.

MAGA will move to Vance (who has been remarkably quiet of late). He'll sell them the same America First line.

Its clear that as long as you're prepared to toady up to Trump and toe the line on his various lies you'll be considered for any position regardless of whether or not you're qualified. See also Kash Patel.

It's awful to see the disruption already bought by Trump and he's not even halfway through term. Let's hope those saying MAGA is finished are right- imo Trump is the most dangerous man in the world.

Does it not disturb anyone that the “captured by Israel” meme is basically the Protocols, rewritten for the 21st century?

I’m curious: what is the difference between that, and that pesky Jewish octopus manipulating the dumb Americans to carry out its dastardly plan to enslave the world (mu ha ha ha)?

Kent's "profile" is not looking any good already. But, yet, he was good enough to run the counter terrorism centre just yesterday....
It is clear there is a deep division between Trump and the US intel and security councils. How deep is to be seen. And how it will affect him with his voters.

Kent has links to white supremists and said Trump won the 2020 election… he wouldn’t normally be considered a credible person by those now rushing to believe his current words because that suits their agenda.

Suggesting that we shouldn’t discuss Israel’s influence over America because “it’s antisemitic” to do so probably isn’t going to work anymore. No country and no country’s foreign policy should be above criticism.

Trump and his team will start a smear campaign against him soon, “he lost his mind” “ he was a threat to national security” “he was an Iranian spy” there’s no end to the lies Trump is willing to tell.
Or he might get randomly shot by a college student. 🤐 corruption at its finest.

Does it not disturb anyone that the “captured by Israel” meme is basically the Protocols, rewritten for the 21st century?

I’m curious: what is the difference between that, and that pesky Jewish octopus manipulating the dumb Americans to carry out its dastardly plan to enslave the world (mu ha ha ha)?

And for Israel’s sake, it needs to stay this way.

Exactly!

@Flomingho ”and are there actually any nukes?”
No, because if they had one, they’d have already fired it at Tel Aviv.