Are people still rejoicing about Iran?

Sorry @inamarina I confused you with another poster, I think.

Anyway, bottom line, I do not understand how anyone is so confident this war is a good idea, given the outcome. It's ok to have reservations. It's even ok to not have any alternate suggestions as to how to deal with the regime. Because it's not as simple as bombing them to shit. And we aren't foreign policy experts. Everybody is agreed the regime is evil beyond words. Few dispute that.

If Trump and Netanhayu had a few more reservations about the efficiency of their actions, things might have been better.

I listened to the IRGC aligned spokesperson the other day and the chilling part is they just ignore questioning on this.

It’s a rogue brutal state that is outside what international law can do. In fact those laws protect them.

But that is not why Trump or Netanyahu is bombing them.

Exactly. Imagine punishing not just the protesters (which would be bad enough), but the medics who treat them. Beyond evil.

Sorry @Ihatetomatoes . I responded to the wrong post.

Edit. I replied to correct poster but wrong post.

Who’s calling them gleeful?

Why is it bizarre what they are doing ?

They are massively running down stocks of US supplied Patriot interceptors and THAAD systems. Their missiles and drones are increasingly getting through.

And they basically have the world by the balls over oil supply. And Trump is flapping around like a headless chicken calling former allies cowards, and threatening to spit the US from the rest of the world.

Objectively, they have the upper hand.

Why is it bizarre?

If a state thinks legitimate punishment is torture, execution and gang rape for nurses who provide healthcare then it’s so far removed from something people there can deal with.

Then the issue of nuclear weapons which would likely be MAD, hence pretty much everyone saying they can’t have the weapons.

Both things make the IRGC brutal and difficult to resolve.

I think posters such as yourself who post about Iranian atrocities- rapidly followed by accusing everyone with reservations about this war of not caring as much as you and calling them " gleeful" - are trying to score a point.

The attacks on countries who are not at war by Iran has implications.

Saudi Arabia has threatened to attack Iran in retaliation for strikes on Gulf states since the start of the US-Israeli war with Tehran.

The regime really don't care about it's people and appear to want more countries to attack them. Bizarre, although, why am I surprised that Iran and it's proxies care nothing of their own people - seen that before.

I have a suggestion, and it was being worked on 10 plus years ago, before Trump tore it up.

Bring Iran in from the cold. Don't let the US keep punishing them for a revolution that happened in '79.

Treat them as a different system. Accept them as a non ideal system, and reward them for moderating. And by reward, I mean lift sanctions etc. Treat them like the west treat Saudi Arabia, or at least work on it.

There was a nuke deal put in place in 2015. It was working. Sanctions were being lifted. In comes Trump, all torn up, cos Obamna.

Shooting protestors is a crime against humanity. It is atrocious, and should be acted on with sanctions, ICC arrest warrants, travel bans, the whole hog. And with that in mind, do a thought experiment. The leaders are sat there discussing the protests. It started about inflation, Switched to anti government. The hardliners say shoot them. The moderates so no, because we will be hit with sanctions etc. The hardliners say... we are already sanctioned to the hilt. There is nothing left they can do to us.

See my point ?

"Or for that old chestnut " Don't you care about Iranian women"?" If you do, you must support carpet bombing!"."

You do post rubbish. No one supports 'carpet bombing'. Do you even know what that is. It isn't happening thankfully, as much as you might hope it might be so you can 'score a point'.

It isn't everyone against the war though. The ones that seem to like that it is going on longer, and with massive implications for the economy and other countries who are suffering (no pity for them then) with the problems with shipping etc. The told you so's and general posts to show this. Sadly, I think some have forgotten there are innocent people killed in this war. Personally, I hope that the Gulf Nations can put pressure on Iran to stop attacking them and the war comes to an end. However, Iran have shown how unstable the regime is and reinforces just why they should never have nuclear power.

I agree. They are much worse and have a stronger hold on power than I think many realised. The army is strong and kills dissenters. It's quite alien to people living in democracies the way they behave to their own citizens.

The thing is, leave well alone, turn the other way when they slaughter thousands for merely protesting, let them continue to enrich and develop nuclear capabilities further and further and then deal with them or take action now.

I think Trump is a buffoon and the way this war was started without the support of his assumed 'allies' and the apparent unpreparedness for the attacks on the ships passing (The Houthis have done that on and off for years, usually in support of Hamas). The way he is attempting to bully other countries to join is also ridicuous.

I don't think the way Iran has struck out at neighbouring countries who are not at war with them could have been predicted. The Middle Eastern countries are upset and annoyed at Iran's actions and blame IRAN and not Israel and the US interestingly.

They definitely have different opinions. I expect you wouldn't rush to call them " gleeful" though.
It's very reductionist to call anyone against war " gleeful" and to insinuate that they support the regime.

Iranian political prisoners and activists have spoken against the war

What, all of them? Or could it be that they all have different opinions, just like people everywhere else?

The IRGC sound brutal. I’m not sure how people can get out from under them with the oppression imposed on them.

Now we are in the third week of the war and now that even Iranian political prisoners and activists have spoken against the war, calling people doubtful about the effectiveness of bombing " gleeful" is a straw man. Nobody 's falling for that any more. Or for that old chestnut " Don't you care about Iranian women"?" If you do, you must support carpet bombing!".

So far it doesn't seem like it. Let's hope it weakens it at least so that maybe the people there, who deserve better will get better. Are you gleeful that it doesn't seem to be helping get rid of the regime? Any suggestions that haven't been tried already to get rid of the regime or perhaps we should just take our eyes off the middle east as a whole, that's ALL OF IT, not just the countries that are of no interest to some. Let them all get on with it? Would that be better?

It's not business as usual to me and it is a tragedy, not just a problem.
I fail to see how the problem is improved by bombing Tehran or causing a global economic collapse.

I don't know why the people were executed in Saudi, do you?

I do know these 3 young people were executed in Iran for protesting the regime. The thread is about Iran. Is that a problem to you? Thousands have been slaughtered in Iran and I appreciate to many, it's 'business as usual' and nothing to see here. When thousands were killed in Gaza it was a problem. Why is it not a problem when thousands are killed in Iran? I personally feel people being killed for merely protesting a problem, naturally you might not.

Yes, we know all the horrors. So does Saudi Arabia btw, which has executed some 400 people this year and is best mates with Trump.

The question is if raining down destruction from the sky helps remove the evil regime. Doesn't seem like it.

This is what Iran does to it's young people who protest against the regime. Tortured and then executed. Champion athlete executed after torture.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15662423/Iran-executes-teenage-champion-wrestler-anti-regime-protesters.html

So, these proxies. Defeated ? Settled ?

Has bombing worked at all ?

Yup. Of course I would click on the red and correct it.

I have no idea why @dairydebris won't check it for themselves.

The spell check can be awkward here though because it does appear to be American English.

Defense

Defence

Yup. One of them was red. I don't know how to change it.

Edit to add. Change the dictionary I mean.