Iranian War Is Not The Same As Iraq

Their motto is death to america, death to israel. And you want Israel and America to wait until they literally have a nuke before trying to remove them? This is after they have consistently attacked and destabilised with the use of proxies throughout the middle east. It’s not just that they may be a threat in the future they are a threat now, they have been defacto at war with Israel and the USA for decades, there is no clear reason why they should be allowed to continue with that war un-opposed. Make it make sense.

Also there are bunch of legally sound justifications for intervention, Lord Wolfson has outlined the legal justifications. So the use of “illegal” here is doing a lot of heavy lifting. But people regularly claim stuff is illegal if they don’t like it.

Also if international law only protects authoritarians, tyrants and terrorists then it’s time to fucking ignore it don’t you think.

I look forward to the broadcasts of Iranians dancing in the streets, women with their hair out and people released from the dungeons in Iran. Trump owns the deaths of protesters who went out on bis encouragement but I don’t understand how you can say “if you really cared you would have acted earlier, best not to do anything now though because actually I don’t really care about Iranians either”.

Yup. Likely because Trump tore it up.

It's a circular argument, but there are 2 big blobs on that circle both labeled "Trump" .

If we break from the circle we enter the world of speculation and "what ifs". And while it is Iran who are now saying they will develop nukes and not Trump the fact that Trump did tear up that 2015 deal should be taken into consideration. Iran were adhering to the 2015 deal, so far as we are aware, when Trump tore it up.

I remember when Boris was foreign minister. He flew to DC to beg Trump not to tear it up because the evidence was it was working. Trump refused to see him, and Boris went on Fox to plead with him not to tear it up. But tear it up he did, and here we are.

What do you think would lead to a better life for the Iranian people? They’ve been protesting for years, they rose up once again couple of months ago and were brutally attacked by their own regime.
Tens of thousands killed within days.
What do you think they could realistically do without outside help?

We're not - we just don't think that this will help either promote peace in the region or globally, or a better life for the Iranian people. And lets not forfet the current regime was born out of Western (mostly US) intervention. If the US had not helped bring down the democratically elected, secular Mossadegh government and supported the repressive Shah's regime (in order to secure oil) it's unlikely there would have been the 1979 revolution that brought this appalling and dangerous regime to power. I'm sure you'll say that's all ancient history and not relevant, but surely if we need yet another reminder of the long-term negative impacts of gung-ho Western intervention in the Middle East on both its people and world peace we need to acknowledge this.

100% it seems many on here and indeed a huge number of people who slaughtered Blair for Iraq involvement, have forgotten of the dire consequences and evets that followed. Just about every time we have gotten involved with Middle East and USA's wars, it has not ended well for us or the local civilians.

The main reason being given by Trump is to stop Iran developing nuclear weapons (weapons of mass destruction) and regime change. Pretty much identical to the reasons to attack Iraq, I do think Iran is more dangerous than Iraq, I always thought the war in Iraq was an unnecessary mistake (and the weapons of mass destruction a load of lies). And since Trump boldly announced they had totally destroyed all of Iran's nuclear facilities very recently that hardly sounds like a good reason either, or Trump was lying. If they manage to get a satisfactory outcome in Iran in a short timescale it will be OK, if it leads to a huge messy long lasting conflict in the middle east that's a different thing. Iran may well be behind a lot of terrorism but that has not been cited as a reason for the attack.

Islamic regime spokesman holding a press conference in a school:

https://x.com/emilykschrader/status/2028783084431081597

Sorry but this is another example of USA and Israel starting an illegal war on a false pretext.

They have not provided one shred of credible evidence that Iran was close to developing a nuclear weapon or about to strike Israel/USA. Rubio pretty much admitted last night that the only reason USA chose to act was due to fact they knew Israel were about to attack and that it was likely that Iran would target US interests.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/rubio-iran-israel-war-attack-trump-b2930752.html

Also, we know that Trump is in terrible trouble back home and is desperate for a distraction from his poor poll ratings and the Epstein scandal, as the DOJ and himself, appear to be protecting the perpetrators and obstructing justice for all the victims.

Trump, is doing exactly what he said Obama would do to boost his popularity and win an election, with midterms coming up fast.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-obama-iran-war-tweets-b2929535.html

If he had real interest in saving Iranian people, he would have done so about 5 weeks ago, when they were getting mowed down and executed by Iran's regime. However, he did nothing and thousands died after he had urged them to protest.

This was is all about Israel and USA' s own self interests and of course Trump's ego. I am glad Starmer did not fall into trap that Blair did in 2003.

Trump has no clear plan for what future looks like with regime change, which has all the hallmarks of Iraq 2003. We all know the consequences of that, as for past 20 years the west has faced increased terrorist attacks and mass immigration from all displaced refugees.

Agree. I’ve seen people repeat it on X, “the first thing Israel and the US did was attack a primary school”, but why on earth would they do it? Purposefully attack a school in a place where they seem to have the support of large swaths of the population. Why would they want to alienate all those people?

Apparently it's a crusade.

A combat-unit commander told non-commissioned officers at a briefing Monday that the Iran war is part of God's plan and that Pres. Donald Trump was "anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth," according to a complaint by a non-commissioned officer.

From Saturday morning through Monday night, more than 110 similar complaints about commanders in every branch of the military had been logged by the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF).

www.theregister.com/2026/03/02/iran_prayer_app_propaganda_hack_israel/

As far as I know it hasn’t been confirmed yet.

While I agree in theory. If they topple the regime, what are they going to replace it with? Isis or the Whatevers of the Levant, like Irak or Syria? Ask the Kurds or the Yahzidis how that went. Where are all these democrats, who will build this paragon of democracy in Iran coming from? Another terror story is Afganistan. Western intervention has never brought anything good to the area. I am very sceptical.

This.

Are you American or Israeli? Who's we?

I would also point out that Iranians are posting pictures of basjis setting operations up from school sites. So it would not be surprising to see a school targeted. HOWEVER, there is zero benefit to killing kids. In any cold hard calculation there is no way Israel or the USA would just be murdering children for the hell of it, it costs money to drop bombs, every single one counts and pissing off Iranians does not benefit them at all.

If you believe they would do it because they are just evil then you are suffering from a level of stupidity no-one can help you with.

would not deliberately target
That word deliberately is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence....

which seems obvious but apparently isn't to some people.
Agree it seems obvious but I think we disagree on what seems obvious

Do you remember that time when everyone thought Israel had bombed a hospital carparking lot full of very visible civilians and it turned out to be islamic jihad? By the time the truth came out the lie had already run all over the world.
I wouldn’t be so quick to ascribe blame here given that Iranians are saying that iranian state tv said the iranians may have done it by accident, it’s a primary school besides a military post. The Israelis or the americans may very well be responsible, but we just don’t actually know that yet. I would also point out that it’s a bit hypocritical to be upset about the deaths of children in a school but not the sheer number of teenagers killed by the regime over decades as well as all those who were recently shot in the street and then hunted down in hospitals to be shot there or kidnapped and then raped so badly their bodies had their reproductive organs removed before they were returned to their parents.

Also, syria is riven with sectarianism and tribalism their leader has his hands full of al-qaeda recruits that came to join him when he was head of al nusra (from all sorts of countries) , also the problem of mentalist turks. As I said before Iranians are not arabs, they have their own language and culture, they do have ethnic diversity but they have nothing like the inter communal hostility you see in many other arab countries. Nobody would seriously say Turks are exactly the same as Saudis so why people can’t understand that Iranians and Arabs may be different is a bit bewildering.

Israel annexed land because a man who was literally al-qadea is now in charge if their neighbouring country. It is reasonable to create a buffer zone, also don’t forget a lot of those buffer zones involve druze, who as you pointed out are some of those civilians being massacred, only Israeli help kept some of those people alive. But perhaps they should have just left them to it…. Maybe the wrong kind of civilian to care about?

The difference here is that Iranians have been asking for help, they are singing and dancing in the streets, why do you think the Iranian diaspora is so bloody insistent about this? The messages coming out are things like “ if i die in an airstrike I’m fine with it, don’t use my death to blame the west”. I’m seeing a lot of that on twitter. 30’000 + protesters didn’t die trying to protect the IRCG, only people in the west seem radicalised by the toppling of an autocratic, imperialist, woman hating regime. Your average iranian seems pretty pleased with these developments.

Curious how you know for sure that it was the Israelis or Americans that did this? And how you know that it wasn't for example an Iranian SAM falling back down or a malfunctioning Iranian drone or missile launch.

Can you please share your evidence on this?

And that was wrong of Trump.

But harping back to that does not really help solve the problem that despite earlier denials, Iran now appear to be actively seeking to develop the capability to build nuclear bombs.

Even Iran are not pretending to know which country did it - they are blaming both the US and Israel though.

The US military's Central Command said it was looking into reports of the incident, while Israel's military said it was "not aware" of any IDF operations in the area.

Secretary of State Marco Rubio said U.S. forces "would not deliberately target a school" which seems obvious but apparently isn't to some people.

Meanwhile, some Iranians directly blamed their own regime for the attack.
One user wrote: "Even if the regime did not directly target schools, the deaths of children in Minab remain the responsibility of the Islamic Republic.
"People have no shelters, the internet is cut, phone lines are down, and there has been no warning to keep children out of school. In these conditions, the minimum requirement should be to stay at home."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1l7rvqq51eo

This isn’t an answer on how much you trust the current regime.

What do you think the Iranian people should do?

As if the incoming Iranian regime will be any more ‘trustworthy’ or left in peace.
Syria is still being bombed, civilians massacred and lands are slowly being annexed by Israeli military despite the fall of Assad and that awful regime being toppled.

If ME history is any lesson, the chaos that follows explosive liberation from the skies is often worse than the oppression that came before for the everyday person. It also radicalises another generation to hate the West and sows the seeds for future terror.

Without answering with a reference to anyone else how much do you trust the Iranian regime?

For sure. And that is why we had the 2015 anti nuke deal. The one that Trump tore up.

Who else was bombing Iran?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/missile-strike-school-iran-us-israel-b2930011.html

Of course US & Israel are going to say no comment. That’s the same as an admission.