Iranian War Is Not The Same As Iraq

I never get the "it's about oil" claim.

As a net importer of crude oil why would the US want to start a war that increases the price of crude oil and therefore harms its economy?

Or if it's about controlling oil reserves then it would be far far cheaper for the US Government to subsidise exploration and production or to cut taxes on oil companies to increase production than it would be to start a war. Wars are a really expensive hobby and there's no guarantee that even if you win that you get to control the reserves. Iraq and Kuwait for example still have sovereignty over their own reserves.

The "it's all about the oil" claim that gets thrown around seems to be yet another ill thought through conspiracy theory, absent of any logic.

Oh, yeah because it was about oil.

Um the whole point is that if they were imaginary then it wasn't what the war was about!

Yes we do. Imaginary weapons of mass destruction.

Exactly this is more about upholding Israel’s interests in the middle east since iran is funding hezbollah etc.

If we don’t join the US & Israel in their fight against Iran, then Israel could become seriously at risk. All those antisemitic middle easterners really have a grudge against that country, we should step up and protect the only democracy in the ME. It’s different to Iraq. Nobody knows what Iraq was about anyway.

So what? Iranians know nothing changes overnight and as I said there has been change brewing for some time.

Trump is. Or was.

Noone is talking about overnight change - the resistance has been building for some time. You said there was no appetite - clearly there is.

But that’s the problem. People are protesting and rightly so but there needs to be leadership. Protests aren’t going to bring about change, only physical force will. And sadly there is no-one who appears willing or able to do that. Some out of fear, some because they wouldn’t want the responsibility and to be honest it would take a brave wannabe leader to step into that breach. This is why regimes almost never change overnight, change is usually only ever subtle.

When did America care about people who owned something they wanted.
The Trail of Tears 1826 (I think)
Civil War about not allowing local state democracy. At the end they were forced to end slavery
Stole land from Mexico to make California.
Twentieth Century stole land in California to make reservoirs, no compensation for owners who had title for 70 years from Spain/Mexico.
Might is Right for all Americans. That's why they own guns.

Thee isn't the appetite for it? What news are you watching? 10s of thousands have been murdered protesting and still more come out on the streets. Have you ever met an Iranian?

That’s not really an answer. Decades of brutality and oppression. What can they do?

Have you read at all what happens to people who have tried?

People want the change, but the problem is that there’s no leadership to bring it about.

Whether we like it or not there’s more support for the regime than against it.

Otherwise it would absolutely be possible to have overthrown it, and especially now that there is no current leader you’d expect someone to be standing up and saying that they’ll be challenging the leadership. But there isn’t.

Until now there’s been rioting, but no actual led opposition. No plan. And that’s the only way anything will change.

No country outside another can bring about change. It can only come from within, and in order to do that there have to be groups with the will to do it, and the courage to fail.

Nothing.

None of this is about the Iranian people.

Nothing changes for them.

If the Iranian people want things to change then they need to form a group to challenge leadership, but interestingly enough there is seemingly not the appetite for it.

Yes people talk about wanting things to change, but no-one is stepping up to make that happen. No-one who isn’t some radical nutjob anyway.

The dancing in the streets was purely performative. It was a momentary symbol of hope. But there were equally as many people, women included, sobbing in the streets as well.

And now that’s all over they’re stockpiling in preparation for an extended war.

But hey, who cares as long as the non existent weapons are destroyed. You know? The ones which were apparently destroyed last year? Or have people forgotten that bit?

But this isn't about making life better for the Iranian people - the US have stated this clearly.

For sake of clarity, the Guardian is confirming that an explosion happened at the school. What is not yet known is whether this was a US bomb, misfired Iranian missile/ drone or a falling Iranian SAM.

Which they didn’t in fact have did they? It was never proven definitively. They did have alot of oil though. And so do Iran…..weird that

‘We have learnt’. What is it you’d like the Iranian people to do?

Yep an apology does it, your children are dead, say Sorry, all forgiven.

Anyone who thinks the Israelis wouldn't target a school on the basis a Cleric teaches there, hasn't been looking at Gaza.

If it was a US bomb, i'd like to think it was a genuine mistake.

All we will get from this is further bloodshed, inflation (Analysts suggest July's price cap will be around £500 higher than now) more terrorism, a gleeful Putin.

Yes, and we have learnt many times that when you try and destroy them with military power they just spring up again in another form.

We will have to agree to disagree @Boolabus on whether or not people are attempting to use children's deaths for political advantage.

No one is trying to move people on from finding out what actually did happen, I'm sure we all want to know and in particular the families involved deserve to know what happened. I just don't find it helpful that people with no real knowledge about what happened - like us on MN - would come up with their own theories about who to blame or how it happened.

No normal person would imagine the US forces would deliberately target a school in Iran.
That's precisely what I was insinuating. The use of the word deliberate is deliberate. They didn't deny it, that statement basically just said they wouldn't do it deliberately so does that suggest it was an horrendous mistake? If so own the mistake, admit it and apologise for it to the families of the children killed

I feel like people are using children's deaths for political advantage which is pretty sick
No it's not what people are doing, people are trying to find out how it came to pass that a school was bombed which killed over 150 children. Trying to move people on from that without finding out what the hell happened, is pretty sick tbh

This sums things up perfectly.