UK ban on Palestine Action unlawful, high court judges rule

but sure they are not terrorists. That is the whole point.

What are you saying? Do you think arresting almost 3’000 people largely for holding up a sign is a good thing because you don’t agree with them?

Re your second & last para
Countries rely on laws. Our morals are not bound by them. All people have free will to judge others as they like, it won’t put another in jail though. Nor should it

Re your first para
It’s stretching it to think this is a misogynistic ruling and even more so to throw in skin colour
Whilst information re make up of any Jury is not freely available we do not live in a country with a Jury made up of
white men !

Well that was fun! What with the rape denial, the 'Palestinians have the right to violent resistance' and the utter ignorance of the Holocaust! Phew!

This.

There are ways that support the people of Palestine without the need to support violence or terrorists but the preferences of some shows who they really are.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5486424-what-automatically-makes-you-think-people-are-idiots?reply=150489834

Let them smash a few more places up, a bit more criminal damage, whip a few more security guards and break the spines of a couple more policewoman and maybe then people will wake up to their violent disposition rather than actually doing anything to help Palestinians. None of those things helped Palestinian people. Virtue signalling morons, that's all.

Yeah, well I judge the twats who support the group who committed acts of terrorism and broke a woman's spine with a sledgehammer.

There are other causes if you want to protest freedom of speech and there are other groups if you want to protest what's happening in Gaza.

I think they do realise and just don’t care.
I’ve noticed it before on this forum, some people just completely let loose with conspiracy theories and antisemitic tropes. Quite bonkers really (and it also shows why Jewish people might want their own state).

You give them too much credit. They know they're antisemitic, they just don't see it as wrong.

White man gets away with violence against a woman is not an unusual outcome of a jury trial.

When watching the video of the man holding the sledgehammer stood over the woman on the floor and bringing it down on her I am generally more concerned about the moral situation than the legal definition one.

Some people seem to think that appealing to legal definitions lets these people off the moral hook.

Even the judge in this case said that a small number of Palestine Action's activities met the legal test for acts of terrorism.

So Palestine Action have committed acts of terrorism, just not enough terrorism to meet the threshold to be proscribed.

Do you think our government should be investigating possible Russian war criminals? Ukranian war criminals? Sudanese? Why should our government be investigating crimes taking place outside of its jurisdiction? Which person do you believe is a war criminal? Or do you think anyone who fights in the IDF should automatically be investigated? By whom? What evidence are you bringing? Or is it just that you have a blanket hatred for the IDF, individuals be damned. Shall we just try all of them?

Acts of terrorism is very broad under British law. So both statements are true. Some acts by PA reached the legal threshold to be considered acts of terrorism but they don’t meet the legal threshold to be considered a terrorist group.

The broadness of Acts of Terrorism in this law has been widely criticised by civil rights groups.

This ruling doesn’t mean that PA are a “good” group. They can still be considered to have committed criminal acts. It’s just that them being proscribed as terrorists has had a chilling effect on protest. And I consider that a bad thing.

Also it’s a complete waste of resources arresting nearly 3000 people for “supporting terrorism”. None of them will be convicted.

People saying the definition for terrorism hadn't been met clearly haven't read what the judge said when they said that Palestine Action had committed acts of terrorism.

I hope those saying this is a good ruling put their hands in their pockets and pay for the criminal damage this group cause because I'm fucking pissed off that taxpayers are paying for their terrorism.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5486424-what-automatically-makes-you-think-people-are-idiots?reply=150489834

What thread? I'd love to see it!!!

Whilst there is no doubt a police officer ended up with a fractured spine whilst trying to arrest a member of PA
The Jury did not reach a verdict of GBH and for all other charges they were found not guilty by a Jury

The defence stated the attacker had been sprayed with a chemical substance by the police, could not see properly and was trying to protect another person at the time.

This defence was considered by members of the Jury to prevent a conviction after 36 hours of deliberation

I presume the bar had not been met. Much the same as people being killed on the roads through reckless driving. In my own town a man crossing a road was run down on a crossing and killed by a speeding motorist. He went straight through the crossing with no attempt to slow down and yet there was no conviction. Intent could not be proved
I’m assuming it’s that required aspect ( given also the visual impairment ) that was not met for a conviction in the Law.

I don’t think people who accept the Law and convictions or lack thereof as they stand are stupid.

In the case of GBH we will have to wait and see if it goes back to court.
I agree the bar for intent ( as required in Law) prevents convictions and perhaps in some cases should be reconsidered whether it is appropriate to prevent some form of conviction and this case may be one of those.

Given that there's a post on another thread that explicitly expresses support for Hamas and mumsnet refuses to delete it, I'm not surprised.

Which thread, please?

Given that there's a post on another thread that explicitly expresses support for Hamas and mumsnet refuses to delete it, I'm not surprised.

@mnhqHow is this post allowed to stand, yet my post calling it out was deleted?

I mean, even if they are not proscribed, people should want nothing to do with them anymore.

I really hoped that would come after the news that they broke a woman's spine with a sledgehammer.

Then I hoped it would come after the videos of the sledgehammer attack.

Now I'm hoping it will come after the confirmation that they committed acts of terrorism.

But there are lots of stupid people in the world, unfortunately.

This thread is nuts. The casual repetition of antisemitic tropes by some posters without realising how racist they sound - and therefore are (and seemingly think it’s ok) is disturbing.

This thread is nuts. The casual repetition of antisemitic tropes by some posters without realising how racist they sound - and therefore are (and seemingly think it’s ok) is disturbing.