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IDF confirms some 70,000 Gazans died in war, none from starvation.

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Twiglets1 · 29/01/2026 14:33

Article in The Jerusalem Post:

The IDF, for the first time on Wednesday, confirmed that approximately 70,000 Gazans were killed during the Israel-Hamas War, while disputing the percentage of civilian deaths claimed by the UN and declaring that no healthy persons died from starvation.

While various international groups have claimed that the overwhelming majority of those who died were civilians, the IDF continues to contest that number and has said that around 25,000 were Hamas terrorists. Further, the IDF has presented evidence that, through early 2024 – the period when Hamas was firing large daily rocket salvos – around 13% of their rockets were misfires, leading to the killing of many Palestinians.

There have also been other periods of time where Hamas executed large numbers of Palestinians whom it viewed as political opponents or civilians whom it was trying to prevent from fleeing an area that the IDF said needed to be evacuated. While the IDF said on Thursday that it is working on a fuller evaluation of the breakdown of civilians to combatants and estimates of those killed by Hamas, no Israeli official has provided a set estimate on that to date.

No date was given for when this breakdown will be publicized, suggesting that it will not be in the near future.

Estimates by international organizations and some media have said that as many as around 450 Palestinians have died of starvation, but the IDF on Thursday said these numbers are a mix of fake statistics or include persons who suffered from dangerous health conditions prior to the war.

IDF sources noted cases where they spoke to humanitarian aid officials who claimed that two specific children had died, but the military was able to quickly establish that they were actually still alive.

There were also multiple other cases in which the global media graphically documented children whose bodies appeared contorted and who eventually died, with the military later clarifying that they had serious pre-war health conditions that had already caused their distorted-looking appearance.

The IDF has not given a more detailed, comprehensive counter-claim regarding the list of persons the UN claims starved to death, but is expected to give significant information confidentially to the International Court of Justice on March 12.

More broadly, the IDF has said that UN aid officials in the field have admitted that their headquarters political bosses invented or exaggerated the food insecurity in Gaza in order to pressure Israel into ending the war earlier. IDF officials have also admitted that there was a food insecurity crisis in July-August 2025, but said they acted rapidly enough at the time in increasing the volume of food aid trucks to avoid a starvation crisis.

According to the IDF, throughout the war, 112,000 aid trucks were brought into Gaza, including 1,700,000 tons of food, as well as 1,800,000 tents and tarpaulin covers. During this time, 600,000 children received polio vaccinations.

Currently, 16 field hospitals are operating, and over the course of the war, 9,600 tons of medical items have been brought into Gaza.

During the same period, 5,000 international aid workers entered the Strip, while 42,000 Gazans exited to a third country to receive health treatment or travel using their dual citizenship status.

www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-884905

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Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 09:02

SpaceRaccoon · 01/02/2026 08:45

So you're saying there were no possible operational reasons for the strikes? Israel just randomly blows up civilians for shits n giggles because they're evil?

Yes.

It's a ceasefire.

SharonEllis · 01/02/2026 08:58

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 08:45

No talk me through it.

I absolutely defer to your expertise. Maybe contact the PSC and ask them what they are doing to free the Palestinian people from Hamas, and the Islamic Republic for that matter. Look forward to you reporting back.

SpaceRaccoon · 01/02/2026 08:45

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 08:35

Where did you get your information they came towards the IDF in a threatening manner?

The strikes were in 7 different locations.

So you're saying there were no possible operational reasons for the strikes? Israel just randomly blows up civilians for shits n giggles because they're evil?

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 08:45

SharonEllis · 01/02/2026 08:44

Seriously? You have been following this conflict so closely and haven't thought about how to support anti Hamas civilians?

No talk me through it.

SharonEllis · 01/02/2026 08:44

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 08:39

And how would they do that in practical terms.

Seriously? You have been following this conflict so closely and haven't thought about how to support anti Hamas civilians?

SharonEllis · 01/02/2026 08:40

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 08:37

It is but yet every second post on the Iran threads is calling out "Pro Pals" , and the humanity (there was one this morning)which was actually the point of my post .

Its what a lot of Iranians are saying too, as Im sure you know. Many of them are ardent pro-Palestinians (though many are also very pro-Israel) and have been expressing their shock at the lack of support from the pro-Pal establishment.

Twiglets1 · 01/02/2026 08:39

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 08:25

According to Israeli figures in October 2023 around 1% of Palestinians were members of Hamas it's down to about 0.6% now.

But at least you're saying the quiet part out loud that it's their own fault.

What about all the Palestinians that support Hamas?

December 2024 Palestinian Centre for Policy Survey & Research (PCPSR): Almost three in four Palestinians believe the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on Israel was correct, and the ensuing Gaza war has lifted support for the Islamist group both there and in the West Bank.

By October 2025 support for Hamas actions had diminished somewhat but still About 70 percent of Palestinians polled across the occupied West Bank and Gaza say they staunchly oppose the disarmament of Hamas, even if that means a return to Israeli attacks, according to a poll conducted by the Palestinian Centre for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR) between 22-25 October and published on Tuesday.

With the ceasefire now signed, 53 percent of Palestinians said 7 October 2023 was “correct”. Support for the Hamas-led operation was substantially higher in the occupied West Bank, where 59 percent of respondents called it “correct” compared to 44 percent in Gaza.

www.middleeasteye.net/news/overwhelming-majority-palestinians-oppose-hamas-disarmament-poll-finds
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Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 08:39

SharonEllis · 01/02/2026 08:38

I would also add that the pro-Pal movement is doing the ordinary Palestinians no favours in not more actively supporting the Palestinians who are anti-Hamas. People marching yesterday in favour of the Islamic Republic and Hezbollah - and by extension Hamas - are no friends to Palestinian civilians. If you're looking for hypocrisy, look there.

And how would they do that in practical terms.

SharonEllis · 01/02/2026 08:38

I would also add that the pro-Pal movement is doing the ordinary Palestinians no favours in not more actively supporting the Palestinians who are anti-Hamas. People marching yesterday in favour of the Islamic Republic and Hezbollah - and by extension Hamas - are no friends to Palestinian civilians. If you're looking for hypocrisy, look there.

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 08:37

SharonEllis · 01/02/2026 08:34

No, that's not what I said is it? Not at all. Don't twist. I said the context was different.

It depends what you mean by 'Hamas'. 'Membership' is a deliberately narrow and obfuscating category. All the evidence that I know of suggests that until recently a very large proportion of Palestinians supported the Hamas government and an awful lot of people (thousands) were directly involved or colluded with 7 October. That's changing as far as we can tell.

But the war in Gaza is a completely different context to Iran.

It is but yet every second post on the Iran threads is calling out "Pro Pals" , and the humanity (there was one this morning)which was actually the point of my post .

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 08:35

Twiglets1 · 01/02/2026 08:29

It's well known that a lot of civilians in Gaza support Hamas. You can ignore it all you want but don't expect everyone else to turn a blind eye to that inconvenient truth. Whereas none of the Iranian protestors will presumably be supporting their authoritarian, murderous regime.

And repeating "collateral damage" doesn't change a thing. I already said the fact that women & children also getting killed in the attacks yesterday is a terrible thing.

Where did you get your information they came towards the IDF in a threatening manner?

The strikes were in 7 different locations.

SharonEllis · 01/02/2026 08:34

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 08:25

According to Israeli figures in October 2023 around 1% of Palestinians were members of Hamas it's down to about 0.6% now.

But at least you're saying the quiet part out loud that it's their own fault.

No, that's not what I said is it? Not at all. Don't twist. I said the context was different.

It depends what you mean by 'Hamas'. 'Membership' is a deliberately narrow and obfuscating category. All the evidence that I know of suggests that until recently a very large proportion of Palestinians supported the Hamas government and an awful lot of people (thousands) were directly involved or colluded with 7 October. That's changing as far as we can tell.

But the war in Gaza is a completely different context to Iran.

Twiglets1 · 01/02/2026 08:29

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 08:18

"completely innocent civilians"

So are Palestinians.

But when they were murdered yesterday they were collateral damage.

Yeah no hypocrisy here at all.

It's well known that a lot of civilians in Gaza support Hamas. You can ignore it all you want but don't expect everyone else to turn a blind eye to that inconvenient truth. Whereas none of the Iranian protestors will presumably be supporting their authoritarian, murderous regime.

And repeating "collateral damage" doesn't change a thing. I already said the fact that women & children also getting killed in the attacks yesterday is a terrible thing.

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Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 08:25

SharonEllis · 01/02/2026 08:22

All Palestinians arent completely innocent though are they? Many are Hamas. Their Hamas government started a war. Its a completely different situation.

According to Israeli figures in October 2023 around 1% of Palestinians were members of Hamas it's down to about 0.6% now.

But at least you're saying the quiet part out loud that it's their own fault.

SharonEllis · 01/02/2026 08:22

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 08:18

"completely innocent civilians"

So are Palestinians.

But when they were murdered yesterday they were collateral damage.

Yeah no hypocrisy here at all.

All Palestinians arent completely innocent though are they? Many are Hamas. Their Hamas government started a war. Its a completely different situation.

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 08:18

"completely innocent civilians"

So are Palestinians.

But when they were murdered yesterday they were collateral damage.

Yeah no hypocrisy here at all.

SharonEllis · 01/02/2026 08:14

Twiglets1 · 01/02/2026 08:10

You fail to understand why people believe the Iranian protestors or Iranian doctors etc when they haven’t necessarily believed the news coming out of Gaza? It’s because the Iranian protestors are completely innocent civilians as far as anyone knows. Whereas the news coming out of Gaza was controlled by Hamas who are a terrorist organisation very good at propaganda caught out in many lies. Many doctors & journalists in Gaza are also Hamas members or sympathisers so excuse me if I don’t automatically believe what they are saying is truthful.

Exactly. People consistently overlook this basic point. They seem to equate Iranian civilians protesting their evil government with Hamas who are the evil government, and aligned with the Iranian government.

Twiglets1 · 01/02/2026 08:11

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 08:10

Ah and it's so typical you would justify civilian deaths because of something Hamas would do .

Because they are just collateral aren't they. Only certain deaths matter

So because "eight terrorists were identified exiting the underground terror infrastructure in eastern Rafah" (where is the threatening manner you posted about??) this happened .

Who said the civilians killed are collateral? You did.

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Twiglets1 · 01/02/2026 08:10

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 08:01

I'm saying the way people are currently responding is absolutely fine giving the scale of death however listening to the posters who spent two years denying everything in Gaza and now calling everyone else out for not matching their response is pretty bloody hypocritical.

The more threads the better to highlight the situation but when a huge number of posts is like the one I responded to the hypocrisy is just shining.

You fail to understand why people believe the Iranian protestors or Iranian doctors etc when they haven’t necessarily believed the news coming out of Gaza? It’s because the Iranian protestors are completely innocent civilians as far as anyone knows. Whereas the news coming out of Gaza was controlled by Hamas who are a terrorist organisation very good at propaganda caught out in many lies. Many doctors & journalists in Gaza are also Hamas members or sympathisers so excuse me if I don’t automatically believe what they are saying is truthful.

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Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 08:10

Twiglets1 · 01/02/2026 08:05

@Martymcfly24 it’s so predictable that you would say what ceasefire is that. It’s the ceasefire that is holding despite violations from both sides. You minimising what ceasefire is that has not stopped it progressing from stage 1 to stage 2 and hopefully it will continue towards full peace one day.

You mention the 30 plus Palestinians killed yesterday with a complete lack of acknowledgement that Hamas also broke the ceasefire by 8 of their militants coming towards the IDF in a threatening manner and that some of the 30 plus Palestinians killed were in fact Hamas militants. At least one of them was very high up in the Hamas organisation. Him being killed was a good thing and the other Hamas fighters. Obviously the fact that women & children also got killed is a terrible thing but let’s not pretend all 30 plus Palestinians killed were innocent civilians.

Ah and it's so typical you would justify civilian deaths because of something Hamas would do .

Because they are just collateral aren't they. Only certain deaths matter

So because "eight terrorists were identified exiting the underground terror infrastructure in eastern Rafah" (where is the threatening manner you posted about??) this happened .

IDF confirms some 70,000 Gazans died in war, none from starvation.
SharonEllis · 01/02/2026 08:07

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 08:01

I'm saying the way people are currently responding is absolutely fine giving the scale of death however listening to the posters who spent two years denying everything in Gaza and now calling everyone else out for not matching their response is pretty bloody hypocritical.

The more threads the better to highlight the situation but when a huge number of posts is like the one I responded to the hypocrisy is just shining.

Noone has ever denied 'everything' in Gaza - or very few anyway. People have absolutely correctly been sceptical of evidence coming from Hamas, a terrorist organisation with a highly sophisticated propaganda machine. Just as people are rightly sceptical of anything coming from their main supporters, the Iranian regime. A lot of stuff coming out of gaza has been highly dodgy, some outright wrong, some accurate and correct. You can only sift the reliable from the unreliable by being sceptical and questioning.

Twiglets1 · 01/02/2026 08:05

@Martymcfly24 it’s so predictable that you would say what ceasefire is that. It’s the ceasefire that is holding despite violations from both sides. You minimising what ceasefire is that has not stopped it progressing from stage 1 to stage 2 and hopefully it will continue towards full peace one day.

You mention the 30 plus Palestinians killed yesterday with a complete lack of acknowledgement that Hamas also broke the ceasefire by 8 of their militants coming towards the IDF in a threatening manner and that some of the 30 plus Palestinians killed were in fact Hamas militants. At least one of them was very high up in the Hamas organisation. Him being killed was a good thing and the other Hamas fighters. Obviously the fact that women & children also got killed is a terrible thing but let’s not pretend all 30 plus Palestinians killed were innocent civilians.

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Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 08:01

SharonEllis · 01/02/2026 07:57

@Martymcfly24 so what exactly are you saying about how people should respond to the current situation in Iran that would not be 'hypocritical' Its not at all clear.

I'm saying the way people are currently responding is absolutely fine giving the scale of death however listening to the posters who spent two years denying everything in Gaza and now calling everyone else out for not matching their response is pretty bloody hypocritical.

The more threads the better to highlight the situation but when a huge number of posts is like the one I responded to the hypocrisy is just shining.

SharonEllis · 01/02/2026 07:57

@Martymcfly24 so what exactly are you saying about how people should respond to the current situation in Iran that would not be 'hypocritical' Its not at all clear.

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 07:51

Bringemout · 01/02/2026 05:59

I’m pro Palestinian civilian, I remember being bewildered when the “pro pals” started screaming and rending of clothes when a ceasefire was called. They had been asking for one for 2 years and when they got one they objected. So even good news “civilian deaths are lower than I thought” is met with upset. Theres no point in engaging with those people, they are either stupid or malign.

The recent marches in the UK supporting the Iranian regime (the one that allows 9yr old girls to get married as long as her dad says its ok and kills women for not wearing a hijab) convinced me these people don’t actually give a shit about civilian deaths. A lot of them just have jews on the brain to be frank. I have no skin in this but dear god the hypocrisy and bullshit really stink.

What ceasefire is that?

You know over 30 were killed in airstrikes yesterday?

And I find the hypocrisy around the situation in Iran astounding.

(Firstly I completely support the protesters and think what is happening is absolutely horrifying and intervention by international bodies is needed .)

However for two years anyone who is against the Israeli attack on Palestine has been told:

The figures are fake, how can they be proven.
The figures are inflated .
Doctors didn't see the injuries occur so how do they know how they happened.
Filming the bodies /injuries is unethical and why would Palestinians want these images to be shown.
The images are "Pallywood" propaganda.
Oh and why would anyone in Western Europe march for a situation in another country they are all "useful idiots" and "virtue signallers"and don't understand what is going on.
Civilian deaths are inevitable. It's just what happens in war.

Yet all of these points are conveniently forgotten when it's not Israel doing the killing.

So forgive me if I think the bullshit and hypocrisy runs very deep also.

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