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IDF confirms some 70,000 Gazans died in war, none from starvation.

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Twiglets1 · 29/01/2026 14:33

Article in The Jerusalem Post:

The IDF, for the first time on Wednesday, confirmed that approximately 70,000 Gazans were killed during the Israel-Hamas War, while disputing the percentage of civilian deaths claimed by the UN and declaring that no healthy persons died from starvation.

While various international groups have claimed that the overwhelming majority of those who died were civilians, the IDF continues to contest that number and has said that around 25,000 were Hamas terrorists. Further, the IDF has presented evidence that, through early 2024 – the period when Hamas was firing large daily rocket salvos – around 13% of their rockets were misfires, leading to the killing of many Palestinians.

There have also been other periods of time where Hamas executed large numbers of Palestinians whom it viewed as political opponents or civilians whom it was trying to prevent from fleeing an area that the IDF said needed to be evacuated. While the IDF said on Thursday that it is working on a fuller evaluation of the breakdown of civilians to combatants and estimates of those killed by Hamas, no Israeli official has provided a set estimate on that to date.

No date was given for when this breakdown will be publicized, suggesting that it will not be in the near future.

Estimates by international organizations and some media have said that as many as around 450 Palestinians have died of starvation, but the IDF on Thursday said these numbers are a mix of fake statistics or include persons who suffered from dangerous health conditions prior to the war.

IDF sources noted cases where they spoke to humanitarian aid officials who claimed that two specific children had died, but the military was able to quickly establish that they were actually still alive.

There were also multiple other cases in which the global media graphically documented children whose bodies appeared contorted and who eventually died, with the military later clarifying that they had serious pre-war health conditions that had already caused their distorted-looking appearance.

The IDF has not given a more detailed, comprehensive counter-claim regarding the list of persons the UN claims starved to death, but is expected to give significant information confidentially to the International Court of Justice on March 12.

More broadly, the IDF has said that UN aid officials in the field have admitted that their headquarters political bosses invented or exaggerated the food insecurity in Gaza in order to pressure Israel into ending the war earlier. IDF officials have also admitted that there was a food insecurity crisis in July-August 2025, but said they acted rapidly enough at the time in increasing the volume of food aid trucks to avoid a starvation crisis.

According to the IDF, throughout the war, 112,000 aid trucks were brought into Gaza, including 1,700,000 tons of food, as well as 1,800,000 tents and tarpaulin covers. During this time, 600,000 children received polio vaccinations.

Currently, 16 field hospitals are operating, and over the course of the war, 9,600 tons of medical items have been brought into Gaza.

During the same period, 5,000 international aid workers entered the Strip, while 42,000 Gazans exited to a third country to receive health treatment or travel using their dual citizenship status.

www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-884905

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ReturnOfTheToad · 02/02/2026 12:16

inamarina · 02/02/2026 09:05

Also pp’s claim that Israel denied killing Palestinians for two years is pretty wild.

My claim was that they denied killing 70000 Palestinians, they did constantly deny that the figure coming out of Gaza was correct. I'm surprised that some people are so shocked by that that they are wowing Confused

ReturnOfTheToad · 02/02/2026 12:13

SpaceRaccoon · 02/02/2026 08:49

What, you think all 70K of them are innocent civilians not Hamas fighters?

Wasn't it 8000 fighters out of 70000 deaths that they managed to name as dead or probably dead? More dead children than terrorists.

And to whoever said it yes Israel were denying the 70000 numbers for 2 years, of course they admitted to killing some people but let's not all pretend that they didn't constantly deny that the numbers coming out of Gaza were correct, that even posters here weren't vilifying the BBC for reporting the correct numbers. If Israel are slow at counting they should have just said that instead of accusing Palestinians who it would appear did a fantastic job at keeping records in very difficult conditions of lying.

SpaceRaccoon · 02/02/2026 09:07

inamarina · 02/02/2026 09:05

Also pp’s claim that Israel denied killing Palestinians for two years is pretty wild.

That's... quite a claim. Wow.

SharonEllis · 02/02/2026 09:07

inamarina · 02/02/2026 09:05

Also pp’s claim that Israel denied killing Palestinians for two years is pretty wild.

Hard to credit really. I think Israel was quite open about the fact they were conducting a war?!

inamarina · 02/02/2026 09:05

SpaceRaccoon · 02/02/2026 08:49

What, you think all 70K of them are innocent civilians not Hamas fighters?

Also pp’s claim that Israel denied killing Palestinians for two years is pretty wild.

SpaceRaccoon · 02/02/2026 08:49

ReturnOfTheToad · 01/02/2026 23:44

What all of them? Some kind of hive mind is it consisting of millions and millions of people across the globe? Don't be so ridiculous.

This thread is about 70000 dead Palestinians. The 70000 dead Palestinians that Israel denied killing for 2 years. The 70000 dead Palestinians that Israels supporters denigrated and called 'propaganda' and 'Pallywood' for 2 years. The 70000 dead Palestinians that the media were called terrorist supporters for reporting on their deaths. The 70000 dead people that some people found so objectionable that they tried to shut down protests about their deaths.

What, you think all 70K of them are innocent civilians not Hamas fighters?

FairPearlSnake · 02/02/2026 08:19

There’s a lot of hard work being done here. Unfortunately it’s not working.

moderate · 02/02/2026 08:14

ReturnOfTheToad · 02/02/2026 07:58

'There was always going to be dispute about numbers' except there isn't is there, that's the whole point, Israel aren't disputing now that they have definitely killed 1 in every 28 people in Gaza? Previous conflicts showed that the numbers that come out from Gaza were reliable, that has borne true again to the surprise of no one.

Israel aren't disputing now that they have definitely killed 1 in every 28 people in Gaza?

Nobody is disputing that lots of people have died in Gaza.
Only the wilfully blind are claiming that they were all killed by Israel.

SharonEllis · 02/02/2026 08:06

Its fairly normal in a war to have a more reliable reckoning of casualties near the end than the beginning.

ReturnOfTheToad · 02/02/2026 07:58

SharonEllis · 02/02/2026 04:44

This is a ridiculous distortion of the truth. Israel has never denied killing Palestinians. There was always going to be dispute about numbers. From 7 October onwards thete was undoubtedly sn element of the pro-Palestinian movement that was pro-Hamas, so they were terrorist supporters. Saturday proved that beyond doubt with marchers explicitly supporting the Islamic Republic, Hamas and Hezbollah and calls to globalise the intifada. And that is why some people have called for the marches to be banned.

'There was always going to be dispute about numbers' except there isn't is there, that's the whole point, Israel aren't disputing now that they have definitely killed 1 in every 28 people in Gaza? Previous conflicts showed that the numbers that come out from Gaza were reliable, that has borne true again to the surprise of no one.

Twiglets1 · 02/02/2026 06:00

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SharonEllis · 02/02/2026 04:44

ReturnOfTheToad · 01/02/2026 23:44

What all of them? Some kind of hive mind is it consisting of millions and millions of people across the globe? Don't be so ridiculous.

This thread is about 70000 dead Palestinians. The 70000 dead Palestinians that Israel denied killing for 2 years. The 70000 dead Palestinians that Israels supporters denigrated and called 'propaganda' and 'Pallywood' for 2 years. The 70000 dead Palestinians that the media were called terrorist supporters for reporting on their deaths. The 70000 dead people that some people found so objectionable that they tried to shut down protests about their deaths.

This is a ridiculous distortion of the truth. Israel has never denied killing Palestinians. There was always going to be dispute about numbers. From 7 October onwards thete was undoubtedly sn element of the pro-Palestinian movement that was pro-Hamas, so they were terrorist supporters. Saturday proved that beyond doubt with marchers explicitly supporting the Islamic Republic, Hamas and Hezbollah and calls to globalise the intifada. And that is why some people have called for the marches to be banned.

ReturnOfTheToad · 01/02/2026 23:44

SpaceRaccoon · 01/02/2026 22:28

Apparently pro-Palestinians won't condemn the IRCG as they oppose what this woman refers to as the "colonial genocide", aka Israel.
So tens of thousands of Iranians can die for all she cares.

https://x.com/drghadasasa/status/2017355507246256217

What all of them? Some kind of hive mind is it consisting of millions and millions of people across the globe? Don't be so ridiculous.

This thread is about 70000 dead Palestinians. The 70000 dead Palestinians that Israel denied killing for 2 years. The 70000 dead Palestinians that Israels supporters denigrated and called 'propaganda' and 'Pallywood' for 2 years. The 70000 dead Palestinians that the media were called terrorist supporters for reporting on their deaths. The 70000 dead people that some people found so objectionable that they tried to shut down protests about their deaths.

JacknDiane · 01/02/2026 23:28

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Ihatetomatoes · 01/02/2026 22:48

SpaceRaccoon · 01/02/2026 22:28

Apparently pro-Palestinians won't condemn the IRCG as they oppose what this woman refers to as the "colonial genocide", aka Israel.
So tens of thousands of Iranians can die for all she cares.

https://x.com/drghadasasa/status/2017355507246256217

Indeed.

Not really thinking about others are they.

Ihatetomatoes · 01/02/2026 22:47

JacknDiane · 01/02/2026 22:25

The belittling of anyone who has marched in protest of what happened in Gaza, says everything about you @Ihatetomatoes

It actually doesn't. I can think for myself.

JacknDiane · 01/02/2026 22:25

Ihatetomatoes · 01/02/2026 13:19

Try telling that to the marchers. They are fixed on 'poor Palestinians ' never done anything wrong narrative why do the nasty Israelis need an iron dome, feel the need for a wall and fences and border checks. Not sure many are aware of the PLO and their origins (probably think they were fluffy freedom fighters) but carry on waving the flags and ignore the bits they don't want to hear

The belittling of anyone who has marched in protest of what happened in Gaza, says everything about you @Ihatetomatoes

ReturnOfTheToad · 01/02/2026 13:22

On one side the extremists want to expel the Palestinians.

That's a lot of 'extremists' then.

www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/poll-show-most-jewish-israelis-support-expelling-gazans

Ihatetomatoes · 01/02/2026 13:19

GeneralPeter · 01/02/2026 13:06

Yes.

On one side the extremists want to expel the Palestinians.

On the other the mainstream wants to expel the Jews.

The Palestinian flag wasn’t hijacked by terrorists. It was adopted for Palestine by the PLO in the same era that they were bombing airliners and murdering olympians.

Palestinian nationalism hasn’t been sullied by a hateful few, it was basically founded by a genocidal theocrat, who lobbied Hitler personally, actively recruited Muslims to the SS, and wanted a Holocaust in the Middle East. Not just the Middle East, he wanted to Jews exterminated everywhere.

If the movement had completely repudiated that past it would be a different matter (like, eg, the Democratic party, which switched sides on slavery and is now nothing like it was).

But it hasn’t. The same ideology, with the same murderous method, to the present day.

There is a decent Palestinian national movement to be had. But it’s not this one.

Western secular liberals adopting the slogans and symbols of the movement should ask themselves how they would have viewed a Western movement in the 1930s that marched to oppose German unfair treatment at the hands of the international community, carried the Swastika, shunned those who opposed Hitler on marches, but explained that no actually, it’s a different German nationalism they support. Their swastika, identical in design to the Nazi one, is actually a peaceful spiritual symbol and it’s outrageous to conflate the two.

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Try telling that to the marchers. They are fixed on 'poor Palestinians ' never done anything wrong narrative why do the nasty Israelis need an iron dome, feel the need for a wall and fences and border checks. Not sure many are aware of the PLO and their origins (probably think they were fluffy freedom fighters) but carry on waving the flags and ignore the bits they don't want to hear

GeneralPeter · 01/02/2026 13:06

Dagda · 01/02/2026 01:02

But Israeli nationalists have also favoured the expulsion of Palestinians.

KKK symbols were made to terrorise people. But neither the Palestinian flag nor the Israeli flag stand for a one fixed message like this.

I don’t think we should start saying that these flags become a hate symbol because some of the people waving those flags say awful thing.

Yes.

On one side the extremists want to expel the Palestinians.

On the other the mainstream wants to expel the Jews.

The Palestinian flag wasn’t hijacked by terrorists. It was adopted for Palestine by the PLO in the same era that they were bombing airliners and murdering olympians.

Palestinian nationalism hasn’t been sullied by a hateful few, it was basically founded by a genocidal theocrat, who lobbied Hitler personally, actively recruited Muslims to the SS, and wanted a Holocaust in the Middle East. Not just the Middle East, he wanted to Jews exterminated everywhere.

If the movement had completely repudiated that past it would be a different matter (like, eg, the Democratic party, which switched sides on slavery and is now nothing like it was).

But it hasn’t. The same ideology, with the same murderous method, to the present day.

There is a decent Palestinian national movement to be had. But it’s not this one.

Western secular liberals adopting the slogans and symbols of the movement should ask themselves how they would have viewed a Western movement in the 1930s that marched to oppose German unfair treatment at the hands of the international community, carried the Swastika, shunned those who opposed Hitler on marches, but explained that no actually, it’s a different German nationalism they support. Their swastika, identical in design to the Nazi one, is actually a peaceful spiritual symbol and it’s outrageous to conflate the two.

SharonEllis · 01/02/2026 10:10

Ihatetomatoes · 01/02/2026 10:06

I agree.

In an ideal situation, no lives would be lost but less lives, is better than a full on conflict where many more are lost.

If Hamas funding goes, because the Iran regime are replaced by their own people with a better leadership, who want to improve THEIR country rather than fund terrorism in the wider middle East, making others much WORSE, then that would ultimately improve the lives of Palestinians. Whats actually wrong with that?

Alas, rather than look at how things can improve in Iran and Gaza, some would prefer to keep things remaining the same, with Iran controlling terrorism, and that being used to keep wacking at Israel at any opportunity, rather than hoping for a peaceful solution. Everything changed on 7th October and the subsequent war. Hamas can never be allowed to ever regain power.

I think we have to look at where we are, why it got to this stage, and gradually rebuild with a ceasefire first, then dismantle terrorist group Hamas, rebuild Gaza, (it will take years), and eventually a 2 state solution.

Meanwhile, the mainly young people in Iran, who were immensely brave, rose up and protested against their regime, and were slaughtered in their tens of thousands. Then some pro pals think it's a great idea to question how bad the regime actually is, (I mean even though they have the highest number of executions in the world, keep their people repressed, its not really 'that bad'.... 🙄).
Then others wave the flag of the regime, showing support for the slaughter of all those brave young people! You really cannot make this ridiculousness up. Some just hate Israel and the West and would prefer to support Iran slaughtering their own people! Madness.

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Well said.

Ihatetomatoes · 01/02/2026 10:10

Beachtastic · 01/02/2026 10:03

'Twas ever thus on MN:
Israel are evil "white" colonialists, with lots of money
Palestinians are helpless "brown" children, with no money at all
Anyone with sympathy for Israel is racist because they value "brown" lives less
7/10 was a brave struggle against oppression

That mindset cannot be changed with rational argument.

This 💯. The DNA of Israeli and Palestinians is actually very, very similar both coming from the same peoples in the same areas.

SharonEllis · 01/02/2026 10:08

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 09:30

What's your definition of ceasefire?

Much as I respect Twiglets, her definition of a ceasefire is irrelevant. All that's relevant is the terms of the ceasefire & the view of those involved.

Ihatetomatoes · 01/02/2026 10:06

Twiglets1 · 01/02/2026 09:43

I didn't say I don't see value in 500 lives. I'm saying 500 lives lost is better than a far bigger number of Palestinian lives being lost had it not been for the ceasefire.

The numbers matter because each life lost represents a real person.

I will acknowledge I don't care about the Hamas members lost amongst that 500 but I'm assuming there are many innocent civilians amongst that 500 and of course I do care those because why wouldn't I?

I agree.

In an ideal situation, no lives would be lost but less lives, is better than a full on conflict where many more are lost.

If Hamas funding goes, because the Iran regime are replaced by their own people with a better leadership, who want to improve THEIR country rather than fund terrorism in the wider middle East, making others much WORSE, then that would ultimately improve the lives of Palestinians. Whats actually wrong with that?

Alas, rather than look at how things can improve in Iran and Gaza, some would prefer to keep things remaining the same, with Iran controlling terrorism, and that being used to keep wacking at Israel at any opportunity, rather than hoping for a peaceful solution. Everything changed on 7th October and the subsequent war. Hamas can never be allowed to ever regain power.

I think we have to look at where we are, why it got to this stage, and gradually rebuild with a ceasefire first, then dismantle terrorist group Hamas, rebuild Gaza, (it will take years), and eventually a 2 state solution.

Meanwhile, the mainly young people in Iran, who were immensely brave, rose up and protested against their regime, and were slaughtered in their tens of thousands. Then some pro pals think it's a great idea to question how bad the regime actually is, (I mean even though they have the highest number of executions in the world, keep their people repressed, its not really 'that bad'.... 🙄).
Then others wave the flag of the regime, showing support for the slaughter of all those brave young people! You really cannot make this ridiculousness up. Some just hate Israel and the West and would prefer to support Iran slaughtering their own people! Madness.

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