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IDF confirms some 70,000 Gazans died in war, none from starvation.

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Twiglets1 · 29/01/2026 14:33

Article in The Jerusalem Post:

The IDF, for the first time on Wednesday, confirmed that approximately 70,000 Gazans were killed during the Israel-Hamas War, while disputing the percentage of civilian deaths claimed by the UN and declaring that no healthy persons died from starvation.

While various international groups have claimed that the overwhelming majority of those who died were civilians, the IDF continues to contest that number and has said that around 25,000 were Hamas terrorists. Further, the IDF has presented evidence that, through early 2024 – the period when Hamas was firing large daily rocket salvos – around 13% of their rockets were misfires, leading to the killing of many Palestinians.

There have also been other periods of time where Hamas executed large numbers of Palestinians whom it viewed as political opponents or civilians whom it was trying to prevent from fleeing an area that the IDF said needed to be evacuated. While the IDF said on Thursday that it is working on a fuller evaluation of the breakdown of civilians to combatants and estimates of those killed by Hamas, no Israeli official has provided a set estimate on that to date.

No date was given for when this breakdown will be publicized, suggesting that it will not be in the near future.

Estimates by international organizations and some media have said that as many as around 450 Palestinians have died of starvation, but the IDF on Thursday said these numbers are a mix of fake statistics or include persons who suffered from dangerous health conditions prior to the war.

IDF sources noted cases where they spoke to humanitarian aid officials who claimed that two specific children had died, but the military was able to quickly establish that they were actually still alive.

There were also multiple other cases in which the global media graphically documented children whose bodies appeared contorted and who eventually died, with the military later clarifying that they had serious pre-war health conditions that had already caused their distorted-looking appearance.

The IDF has not given a more detailed, comprehensive counter-claim regarding the list of persons the UN claims starved to death, but is expected to give significant information confidentially to the International Court of Justice on March 12.

More broadly, the IDF has said that UN aid officials in the field have admitted that their headquarters political bosses invented or exaggerated the food insecurity in Gaza in order to pressure Israel into ending the war earlier. IDF officials have also admitted that there was a food insecurity crisis in July-August 2025, but said they acted rapidly enough at the time in increasing the volume of food aid trucks to avoid a starvation crisis.

According to the IDF, throughout the war, 112,000 aid trucks were brought into Gaza, including 1,700,000 tons of food, as well as 1,800,000 tents and tarpaulin covers. During this time, 600,000 children received polio vaccinations.

Currently, 16 field hospitals are operating, and over the course of the war, 9,600 tons of medical items have been brought into Gaza.

During the same period, 5,000 international aid workers entered the Strip, while 42,000 Gazans exited to a third country to receive health treatment or travel using their dual citizenship status.

www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-884905

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Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 11:16

Beachtastic · 31/01/2026 11:13

It wasn't a rhetorical question by the way, earlier: Given the way Hamas operates, has anyone ever known a "war" like this? I can't think of any historical equivalents...?

Irish War of Independence.

Beachtastic · 31/01/2026 11:15

Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 11:13

So citizens that are put in danger by their terrorist government are fair game .

Interesting viewpoint.

What would you prefer Israel to have done, just forget about 7/10?

It's hard to apply the usual rules when Hamas turned them all upside down.

Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 11:13

Beachtastic · 31/01/2026 11:05

Yes, but the law of armed conflict assumes that combatants will protect their own civilians, not expose them to as much risk as possible. It also assumes that they will be visible and uniformed.

So citizens that are put in danger by their terrorist government are fair game .

Interesting viewpoint.

Beachtastic · 31/01/2026 11:13

It wasn't a rhetorical question by the way, earlier: Given the way Hamas operates, has anyone ever known a "war" like this? I can't think of any historical equivalents...?

Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 11:13

Twiglets1 · 31/01/2026 10:41

And yet people still go on about the occupation don't they, and some link it in a way that suggests 7/10 was understandable because of it or justified in some way.

There is so much bitterness on both sides. I hope that once the Hamas militants are somehow removed from Gaza both sides can finally start to move on and find a way to co-exist without hatred. That would be the start of the possibility of a 2 state solution.

The occupation is ongoing.

It never stopped.

Beachtastic · 31/01/2026 11:05

Boolabus · 31/01/2026 10:31

The horror of Hamas does not justify the horror inflicted on innocent Palestinians. That is why the law of armed conflict was established to protect civilians no matter who or how horrific their leaders are.

Yes, but the law of armed conflict assumes that combatants will protect their own civilians, not expose them to as much risk as possible. It also assumes that they will be visible and uniformed.

Twiglets1 · 31/01/2026 10:41

Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 10:33

Absolutely agree. Just like the horror of what Palestinians went through under Israeli Occupation for decades does not justify Oct 7th the events of that horrific day does not justify the slaughter of 70,000.

And yet people still go on about the occupation don't they, and some link it in a way that suggests 7/10 was understandable because of it or justified in some way.

There is so much bitterness on both sides. I hope that once the Hamas militants are somehow removed from Gaza both sides can finally start to move on and find a way to co-exist without hatred. That would be the start of the possibility of a 2 state solution.

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Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 10:33

Boolabus · 31/01/2026 10:31

The horror of Hamas does not justify the horror inflicted on innocent Palestinians. That is why the law of armed conflict was established to protect civilians no matter who or how horrific their leaders are.

Absolutely agree. Just like the horror of what Palestinians went through under Israeli Occupation for decades does not justify Oct 7th the events of that horrific day does not justify the slaughter of 70,000.

Boolabus · 31/01/2026 10:31

Beachtastic · 31/01/2026 09:33

Yes, it's insane to start a war, particularly in such a deliberately sadistic way, and then "fight" it with invisible combatants that can't be differentiated from civilians, and site weapons under sensitive civilian targets. Has there ever been a "war" like it?

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The horror of Hamas does not justify the horror inflicted on innocent Palestinians. That is why the law of armed conflict was established to protect civilians no matter who or how horrific their leaders are.

Beachtastic · 31/01/2026 09:33

Dagda · 31/01/2026 00:20

In a food crisis, people die from disease first, not starvation. Especially children. Dehydration, chest infections, even just exposure due to the living conditions. Malnutrition means that normal childhood illnesses become life threatening.

And with malnutrition still being reported, and those basics of life, like the water and sanitation systems being destroyed, it’s likely children and other vulnerable people are dying and will continue to die. From disease primarily.

Not to mention that the malnutrition leaves a mark on these children’s health forever.

So “no healthy people died from starvation ” is quite a meaningless thing to say in this context. Even in a full blown famine disease is the biggest killer but it is ultimately caused by the lack of food.

Yes, it's insane to start a war, particularly in such a deliberately sadistic way, and then "fight" it with invisible combatants that can't be differentiated from civilians, and site weapons under sensitive civilian targets. Has there ever been a "war" like it?

Dagda · 31/01/2026 00:20

In a food crisis, people die from disease first, not starvation. Especially children. Dehydration, chest infections, even just exposure due to the living conditions. Malnutrition means that normal childhood illnesses become life threatening.

And with malnutrition still being reported, and those basics of life, like the water and sanitation systems being destroyed, it’s likely children and other vulnerable people are dying and will continue to die. From disease primarily.

Not to mention that the malnutrition leaves a mark on these children’s health forever.

So “no healthy people died from starvation ” is quite a meaningless thing to say in this context. Even in a full blown famine disease is the biggest killer but it is ultimately caused by the lack of food.

Boolabus · 30/01/2026 23:25

SpaceRaccoon · 30/01/2026 23:05

https://x.com/i/status/2017124981327507776

The IDF have in fact NOT confirmed the figures, this has been misreported.

Yes that was referenced in the bbc article I posted earlier today.

enpeatea · 30/01/2026 23:00

Not sure how people can be so certain of what was happening in Gaza since Israel stopped any independent observers or journalists into Gaza.
what does everyone think of what’s happening in the West BAnk? There are independent observers there

FairPearlSnake · 30/01/2026 22:22

KarenWheeler · 30/01/2026 21:49

Yet you’ll happily believe any old shit fee to you by Hamas?

What kind of any old shite are you listening to?

FairPearlSnake · 30/01/2026 22:13

Martymcfly24 · 30/01/2026 21:52

The both can be true to be fair. Neither cover themselves in glory where the truth is concerned.

Exactly. No one knows.

cantankerousoldcrone · 30/01/2026 21:56

KarenWheeler · 30/01/2026 21:49

Yet you’ll happily believe any old shit fee to you by Hamas?

Well, it's more that I believe a wide variety of reputable aid agencies, the un, journalists from multiple countries, independent observers, and so on, over Netanyahu and the IDF.

Martymcfly24 · 30/01/2026 21:52

KarenWheeler · 30/01/2026 21:49

Yet you’ll happily believe any old shit fee to you by Hamas?

The both can be true to be fair. Neither cover themselves in glory where the truth is concerned.

KarenWheeler · 30/01/2026 21:49

cantankerousoldcrone · 29/01/2026 22:57

I mean, if the IDF say so, it must be true.

Yet you’ll happily believe any old shit fee to you by Hamas?

FairPearlSnake · 30/01/2026 21:10

Or Israel.

FairPearlSnake · 30/01/2026 20:59

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I think some of is know lots about what is going on. Believe it or not, some of us have even lived in some of these countries. We are not all sitting in Surrey bashing our keyboards.

SpaceRaccoon · 30/01/2026 20:57

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None of us here started this war though did we?

crazeekat · 30/01/2026 20:54

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Boolabus · 30/01/2026 20:46

mids2019 · 30/01/2026 17:47

If the IDF were truly genocidal maniacs they should learn from Iran. 30 000 dead in days and no air force.

Can we keep perpesective?

What a crass comment. Maybe direct your question to the poster who started the thread and stop criticising people for commenting on the thread.

FairPearlSnake · 30/01/2026 19:17

mids2019 · 30/01/2026 17:47

If the IDF were truly genocidal maniacs they should learn from Iran. 30 000 dead in days and no air force.

Can we keep perpesective?

Yes, no one knows for sure. How do we keep perspective, when we are as much in the dark as Iran is?

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