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IDF confirms some 70,000 Gazans died in war, none from starvation.

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Twiglets1 · 29/01/2026 14:33

Article in The Jerusalem Post:

The IDF, for the first time on Wednesday, confirmed that approximately 70,000 Gazans were killed during the Israel-Hamas War, while disputing the percentage of civilian deaths claimed by the UN and declaring that no healthy persons died from starvation.

While various international groups have claimed that the overwhelming majority of those who died were civilians, the IDF continues to contest that number and has said that around 25,000 were Hamas terrorists. Further, the IDF has presented evidence that, through early 2024 – the period when Hamas was firing large daily rocket salvos – around 13% of their rockets were misfires, leading to the killing of many Palestinians.

There have also been other periods of time where Hamas executed large numbers of Palestinians whom it viewed as political opponents or civilians whom it was trying to prevent from fleeing an area that the IDF said needed to be evacuated. While the IDF said on Thursday that it is working on a fuller evaluation of the breakdown of civilians to combatants and estimates of those killed by Hamas, no Israeli official has provided a set estimate on that to date.

No date was given for when this breakdown will be publicized, suggesting that it will not be in the near future.

Estimates by international organizations and some media have said that as many as around 450 Palestinians have died of starvation, but the IDF on Thursday said these numbers are a mix of fake statistics or include persons who suffered from dangerous health conditions prior to the war.

IDF sources noted cases where they spoke to humanitarian aid officials who claimed that two specific children had died, but the military was able to quickly establish that they were actually still alive.

There were also multiple other cases in which the global media graphically documented children whose bodies appeared contorted and who eventually died, with the military later clarifying that they had serious pre-war health conditions that had already caused their distorted-looking appearance.

The IDF has not given a more detailed, comprehensive counter-claim regarding the list of persons the UN claims starved to death, but is expected to give significant information confidentially to the International Court of Justice on March 12.

More broadly, the IDF has said that UN aid officials in the field have admitted that their headquarters political bosses invented or exaggerated the food insecurity in Gaza in order to pressure Israel into ending the war earlier. IDF officials have also admitted that there was a food insecurity crisis in July-August 2025, but said they acted rapidly enough at the time in increasing the volume of food aid trucks to avoid a starvation crisis.

According to the IDF, throughout the war, 112,000 aid trucks were brought into Gaza, including 1,700,000 tons of food, as well as 1,800,000 tents and tarpaulin covers. During this time, 600,000 children received polio vaccinations.

Currently, 16 field hospitals are operating, and over the course of the war, 9,600 tons of medical items have been brought into Gaza.

During the same period, 5,000 international aid workers entered the Strip, while 42,000 Gazans exited to a third country to receive health treatment or travel using their dual citizenship status.

www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-884905

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ReturnOfTheToad · 31/01/2026 13:57

SharonEllis · 31/01/2026 13:44

Insane. The only democracy in the Middle East, whatever its flaws.

Some of it's 'flaws' off the top of my head - Illegal occupation of multiple territories, apartheid and racial segregation, holding children in military custody, raping children in military custody, aiding and abetting terrorism, murder of activists, murder of journalists, forced displacement, arbitrary indefinite detention without due process, torture, movement restrictions, home demolitions, violent suppression of protests, lethal force used in arrests, illegal land seizures, perdify, attacking UN facilities, attacking UN missions.

Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 13:55

inamarina · 31/01/2026 13:13

I think it’s quite clear what pp means - it’s not about whether or not individual resolutions were justified, but about why other countries with more than questionable human rights records have been targeted much less and what that says about the credibility of the institution issuing said resolutions.

How does the following Google data make sense:

As of late 2025, the UNHRC has adopted approximately 112 resolutions against Israel. For comparison, other frequently condemned countries have significantly lower totals: Syria (45), Iran (16), and Russia (11).

Ok so the argument is not that Israel has not committed multiple Human Rights abuses rather that other countries that have are not subject to the same scrutiny. That's fair enough every single country that abuses people should be pulled up on every occasion.

SharonEllis · 31/01/2026 13:44

Beachtastic · 31/01/2026 13:38

Israel is the only country with a standing agenda item (Agenda Item 7), requiring debate at every session. This is not done for any other state.

Insane. The only democracy in the Middle East, whatever its flaws.

Beachtastic · 31/01/2026 13:38

SharonEllis · 31/01/2026 13:28

Oh come on that is so easy to disprove. The number of resolutions against Israel is wildly disproportionate. Even if you think the resolutions are legitimate, the question remains why there are not more resolutions against other regimes. . Im amazed you would even attempt to make that argument.

Israel is the only country with a standing agenda item (Agenda Item 7), requiring debate at every session. This is not done for any other state.

Beachtastic · 31/01/2026 13:36

Dagda · 31/01/2026 13:20

I can’t really see how your response e
relates to mine.

There are lots of wars where combatants didn’t wear a uniform. Look at the Afghan wars. This doesn’t make it ok - it’s completely against international law for fighters to not identity themselves.

But it also doesn’t mean that it is ok to cause a food crisis.

And of course the rules of war don’t assume that the combatants will protect their own people … I don’t understand why you make stuff up like this.

Rule 1 is The parties to the conflict must at all times distinguish between civilians and combatants. Attacks may only be directed against combatants. Attacks must not be directed against civilians.

Implicit in that, surely, is being able to tell the difference, rather than that being deliberately obscured?

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule1

(Edited to add: But you're right, I've no idea why I quoted you! 🫢🤡 sorry)

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule1

SharonEllis · 31/01/2026 13:35

16 resolutions against Iran. The country that rapes virgins in order to justify their execution. That has the highest execution rate in the world, including under 18s. Extra judicial killings, high rates of deaths in custody, murders of journalists, restrictions on freedom of speech. Persecution of gay people, religious and ethinic minorities, gender apartheid.

SharonEllis · 31/01/2026 13:28

Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 12:29

A sure sign of the number of humans rights abuses that have been carried out over the length of the illegal Occupation.

If you think Israel were just at the border and not a pervasive entity throughout every part of Palestinian life there really is no point in continuing a discussion with you because your bias is clouding the facts .

Oh come on that is so easy to disprove. The number of resolutions against Israel is wildly disproportionate. Even if you think the resolutions are legitimate, the question remains why there are not more resolutions against other regimes. . Im amazed you would even attempt to make that argument.

Beachtastic · 31/01/2026 13:27

inamarina · 31/01/2026 13:13

I think it’s quite clear what pp means - it’s not about whether or not individual resolutions were justified, but about why other countries with more than questionable human rights records have been targeted much less and what that says about the credibility of the institution issuing said resolutions.

How does the following Google data make sense:

As of late 2025, the UNHRC has adopted approximately 112 resolutions against Israel. For comparison, other frequently condemned countries have significantly lower totals: Syria (45), Iran (16), and Russia (11).

Yes; the UNHRC had plenty of criticism for its strong anti-Israel bias long before the Gaza conflict. This article, for examples, dates from July 2023.

The current Wikipedia entry on the UNHRC mentions that "A Reuters report in 2008 said that independent human rights groups say that UNHRC is being controlled by some Middle East and African nations, supported by China, Russia and Cuba, which protect each other from criticism."

https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/human-rights-council/

Human Rights Council

The biases of the Human Rights Council – GIS Reports

Reform of the United Nations Human Rights Council is unlikely since many states benefit from the status quo.

https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/human-rights-council

Dagda · 31/01/2026 13:20

Beachtastic · 31/01/2026 09:33

Yes, it's insane to start a war, particularly in such a deliberately sadistic way, and then "fight" it with invisible combatants that can't be differentiated from civilians, and site weapons under sensitive civilian targets. Has there ever been a "war" like it?

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I can’t really see how your response e
relates to mine.

There are lots of wars where combatants didn’t wear a uniform. Look at the Afghan wars. This doesn’t make it ok - it’s completely against international law for fighters to not identity themselves.

But it also doesn’t mean that it is ok to cause a food crisis.

And of course the rules of war don’t assume that the combatants will protect their own people … I don’t understand why you make stuff up like this.

inamarina · 31/01/2026 13:13

Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 12:56

Which of the resolutions were not justified?
Because a quick read through them seems legit.

I think it’s quite clear what pp means - it’s not about whether or not individual resolutions were justified, but about why other countries with more than questionable human rights records have been targeted much less and what that says about the credibility of the institution issuing said resolutions.

How does the following Google data make sense:

As of late 2025, the UNHRC has adopted approximately 112 resolutions against Israel. For comparison, other frequently condemned countries have significantly lower totals: Syria (45), Iran (16), and Russia (11).

Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 12:56

GeneralPeter · 31/01/2026 12:49

A sure sign of the number of humans rights abuses that have been carried out

That is ludicrous. You think the number of UN resolutions against a country is a “sure sign” to the number of human rights abuses there?

Since 2006, the human rights council has passed more condemning resolution against Israel than all other countries in the world put together.

UNGA in a typical year passes 1 to 3 times as many condemnations of Israel as of all other countries in the world put together.

That’s like getting your news from Stormfront, noticing it’s always the Jews who are screwing us over, and thinking “yeah, sounds about right. Nothing odd about this.”

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Which of the resolutions were not justified?
Because a quick read through them seems legit.

GeneralPeter · 31/01/2026 12:49

Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 12:29

A sure sign of the number of humans rights abuses that have been carried out over the length of the illegal Occupation.

If you think Israel were just at the border and not a pervasive entity throughout every part of Palestinian life there really is no point in continuing a discussion with you because your bias is clouding the facts .

A sure sign of the number of humans rights abuses that have been carried out

That is ludicrous. You think the number of UN resolutions against a country is a “sure sign” to the number of human rights abuses there?

Since 2006, the human rights council has passed more condemning resolution against Israel than all other countries in the world put together.

UNGA in a typical year passes 1 to 3 times as many condemnations of Israel as of all other countries in the world put together.

That’s like getting your news from Stormfront, noticing it’s always the Jews who are screwing us over, and thinking “yeah, sounds about right. Nothing odd about this.”

PevenseygirlQQ · 31/01/2026 12:49

I think the IDF numbers can’t be trusted nor can those provided by Hamas.

I think the truth is the true death toll will never be known.

Are Hamas evil pieces of shit and should they be gone, yes

Was October 7th absolutely abhorrent, yes

Was the scale of retaliation by Netanyahu and the IDF appalling, yes

Do I think Netanyahu and some members of the IDF are evil pieces of shit also, yes

Innocent people died and are suffering on both sides, why are they so dehumanised?

Some people blame Hamas and some people blame Netanyahu they are both war criminals, power hungry men out for their own gain, neither of them care about civilians. Imo of course

Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 12:40

SpaceRaccoon · 31/01/2026 12:38

It's antisemitism and anti-Westernism, that's why.

Course it is

SpaceRaccoon · 31/01/2026 12:38

Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 12:29

A sure sign of the number of humans rights abuses that have been carried out over the length of the illegal Occupation.

If you think Israel were just at the border and not a pervasive entity throughout every part of Palestinian life there really is no point in continuing a discussion with you because your bias is clouding the facts .

It's antisemitism and anti-Westernism, that's why.

Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 12:29

SpaceRaccoon · 31/01/2026 12:21

Interesting how Israel clocked up more UN resolutions that say North Korea or Iran. Doesn't give me a lot of confidence in their lack of bias.

And if my nearest neighbour had repeatedly announced its plan to genocide me, I'd go hard on the border too.

I certainly wouldn't just die quietly because the UN wrung its impotent hands.

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A sure sign of the number of humans rights abuses that have been carried out over the length of the illegal Occupation.

If you think Israel were just at the border and not a pervasive entity throughout every part of Palestinian life there really is no point in continuing a discussion with you because your bias is clouding the facts .

SpaceRaccoon · 31/01/2026 12:21

Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 12:13

No the "Gaza wasn't occupied for 20 years"part.
Interesting you know more that the UN , ICC and ICJ ..

Interesting how Israel clocked up more UN resolutions that say North Korea or Iran. Doesn't give me a lot of confidence in their lack of bias.

And if my nearest neighbour had repeatedly announced its plan to genocide me, I'd go hard on the border too.

I certainly wouldn't just die quietly because the UN wrung its impotent hands.

Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 12:13

SpaceRaccoon · 31/01/2026 12:10

Which part? The withdrawal of all settlers from Gaza? The 2023 atrocity? Hamas' stated intent of wiping out the Jews?

No the "Gaza wasn't occupied for 20 years"part.
Interesting you know more that the UN , ICC and ICJ ..

SpaceRaccoon · 31/01/2026 12:10

Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 12:06

Blatant lie and misinformation.

Which part? The withdrawal of all settlers from Gaza? The 2023 atrocity? Hamas' stated intent of wiping out the Jews?

Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 12:06

SpaceRaccoon · 31/01/2026 12:05

Gaza wasn't occupied for 20 years. The "occupation" was Israel protecting its borders for very good reason - look what happened when the "heroic freedom fighters" managed to get across.

Blatant lie and misinformation.

SpaceRaccoon · 31/01/2026 12:05

Gaza wasn't occupied for 20 years. The "occupation" was Israel protecting its borders for very good reason - look what happened when the "heroic freedom fighters" managed to get across.

Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 11:27

@Beachtastic
Ah stop if you have to Chat GPT it it shows you don't understand at all.
(I didn't even read your inaccurate word salad because on first glance it's totally irrelevant to the point you were making)

But they did , people hid combatants in kitchens my granny had stories of them leaving the doors open to let them run through then locking them for the Black and Tans. Sheds and outhouses were used to hide men. So yes they were embedded in the population.

And we are not anti Israel we are anti illegal Occupation.

Boolabus · 31/01/2026 11:24

Beachtastic · 31/01/2026 11:05

Yes, but the law of armed conflict assumes that combatants will protect their own civilians, not expose them to as much risk as possible. It also assumes that they will be visible and uniformed.

Yes, but the law of armed conflict assumes that combatants will protect their own civilians
Nope it is one of the very reasons the law was established to protect civilians in situations when their leaders were tyrants with no care for their own citizens to ensure they're protected. The rules apply to all sides, regardless of who started the conflict.
I'm not sure what your point is though? Because Hamas don't protect their citizens they're fair game?

Beachtastic · 31/01/2026 11:22

Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 11:16

Irish War of Independence.

Oh gosh now I see why many of the anti-Israelis on MN are Irish!

I'm about to go out, so cheated and asked Copilot to answer this one 🫢 but would add: did the Irish deliberately put their own citizens in the firing line? No, they did not, because 7/10 was not a resistance fight against colonial oppression. It was an act of radical Islamist terrorism, which has completely different goals.

They share some surface parallels—both involve struggles against perceived colonial control—but the Gaza war and the Irish War of Independence differ profoundly in causes, actors, scale, and historical context. The comparisons often arise for political symbolism rather than because the conflicts are structurally similar. UCL Pi Media The Jerusalem Post
Why people compare them
Several historical and political threads encourage the analogy:

  • Shared anti‑colonial framing: Irish nationalists have long viewed the Palestinian struggle as parallel to their own fight for self‑determination. Murals in Belfast often pair Irish and Palestinian symbols, and the IRA historically expressed solidarity with the PLO. The Jerusalem Post
  • British imperial legacy: Britain played a central role in both regions. For example, Churchill deployed the Black and Tans—infamous for brutality in Ireland—to Palestine in 1921. This historical overlap fuels the sense of a shared colonial past. UCL Pi Media
  • Modern political identification: Irish public opinion and government policy have tended to be sympathetic to Palestinian statehood, reinforcing the narrative of parallel struggles. The Jerusalem Post
These connections explain why the comparison is emotionally and politically powerful, especially in Ireland and Northern Ireland. Key differences between the conflicts
  1. Nature of the conflict
  • Irish War of Independence (1919–1921):
  • Primarily a guerrilla war between the IRA and British forces.
  • Aimed at ending British rule and establishing an Irish state.
  • Mostly fought between two identifiable military/political actors.
  • Gaza war (various escalations, including 2023–2024):
  • Involves a state (Israel) and a non‑state armed group (Hamas), with civilians trapped in a densely populated enclave.
  • Embedded in a much longer, multi‑layered national, territorial, and refugee crisis dating back to 1948 and earlier.
  • Regional and global geopolitical stakes are far larger.
  1. Demographics and displacement
  • Ireland’s conflict did not involve mass population displacement on the scale seen in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, where refugee status and statelessness are central issues.
  1. Territorial structure
  • Ireland was a single territory under British rule; the dispute was over sovereignty.
  • Israel–Palestine involves partition, occupation, settlements, blockades, and competing national movements claiming the same land.
  1. Religious and ethnic dimensions
  • Religion in Ireland was a marker of political identity but not the root cause.
  • In Israel–Palestine, national identity, ethnicity, and religion are deeply intertwined with territorial claims.
  1. International involvement
  • The Irish conflict was largely bilateral (Ireland–Britain).
  • The Gaza conflict is shaped by regional powers, global diplomacy, and decades of UN resolutions.
Where the analogy does help—and where it misleads Helpful:
  • Understanding how colonial legacies shape modern conflicts.
  • Seeing how national liberation movements form alliances and shared narratives.
  • Recognising why Irish political actors often empathise with Palestinians.
Misleading:
  • Suggesting the conflicts are structurally the same.
  • Oversimplifying the Israeli–Palestinian conflict’s demographic, territorial, and geopolitical complexity.
  • Ignoring the very different military, humanitarian, and regional dynamics.
Bottom line The comparison is symbolically powerful but historically imprecise. It reflects solidarity and shared narratives of resistance rather than a true equivalence of causes, conditions, or outcomes. The Irish War of Independence was a relatively short, focused anti‑colonial struggle; the Gaza conflict is part of a far broader, decades‑long national and regional crisis.

Northern Ireland and Israel-Palestine: The Political Currency of Comparison — Pi Media

‘What anxieties and hopes, what utopias and dystopias, are provoked by a comparative treatment?’ ( Robert Stam and Ella Shohat, 2009 ) In West Belfast today, a 45-foot Peace Wall stands tall, dividing Nationalist and Unionist communities. The wall i...

https://uclpimedia.com/online/northern-ireland-and-israel-palestine-the-political-currency-of-comparison-by-jess-martinez-gorman

Martymcfly24 · 31/01/2026 11:20

Beachtastic · 31/01/2026 11:15

What would you prefer Israel to have done, just forget about 7/10?

It's hard to apply the usual rules when Hamas turned them all upside down.

Not what I said but anyway.

Do you think citizens (especially women and children) are legitimate targets due to their terrorist government.

If the USA dropped airstrikes on Iran which murdered members of the civilian population due to the actions of its government would that be ok?

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